Top 10% at TJ

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Anonymous wrote:You are wasting your time talking about test scores. The equity people have said these are all scores under the old admissions, the new students are better. They hope the new students will score better, but they know their lies will catch up to them. When the new students come in with lower scores, they will claim COVID, or mainly that the old system selected for students who were better at standardized tests, so of course the new students will have lower scores.
Since colleges have also started deemphasizing SAT to help with their affirmative action admissions, TJ might get better college admissions results from the weaker crop of students, and they will hang their hat on that.

NP. Scores are down everywhere because of covid. Are they down more at TJ than elsewhere, or less? I suppose we'll see next year. If TJ gets better college admissions, whatever the grades or test scores are, then you are going to pooh-pooh that? What a strange conversation.

Full disclosure: I think TJ is large enough for both exceptional students and for "regular" gifted students who are interested in STEM. I also think there's a point where too much concentrated exceptionalism is harmful to those students and if instead they stand out at their base schools rather than boost TJ, that seems fine to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are wasting your time talking about test scores. The equity people have said these are all scores under the old admissions, the new students are better. They hope the new students will score better, but they know their lies will catch up to them. When the new students come in with lower scores, they will claim COVID, or mainly that the old system selected for students who were better at standardized tests, so of course the new students will have lower scores.
Since colleges have also started deemphasizing SAT to help with their affirmative action admissions, TJ might get better college admissions results from the weaker crop of students, and they will hang their hat on that.

NP. Scores are down everywhere because of covid. Are they down more at TJ than elsewhere, or less? I suppose we'll see next year. If TJ gets better college admissions, whatever the grades or test scores are, then you are going to pooh-pooh that? What a strange conversation.

Full disclosure: I think TJ is large enough for both exceptional students and for "regular" gifted students who are interested in STEM. I also think there's a point where too much concentrated exceptionalism is harmful to those students and if instead they stand out at their base schools rather than boost TJ, that seems fine to me.

Scores are not down everywhere because of covid. Why do you people keep spreading this lie? The data is in for the class of 2025, and the expected NMSF and commended cutoffs are expected to be higher than for the class of 2024. That means at the top end, kids across the country in the class of 2025 earned higher, not lower scores than the class of 2024. https://www.compassprep.com/national-merit-semifinalist-cutoffs/

TJ kids scored drastically lower in the class of 2025 because the selection process is letting in a lot of high average kids. In the class of 2025, we'll all see a lot fewer TJ kids being NMSF and a lot more kids across the rest of the local schools. This isn't a problem per se, but it's certainly not due to covid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are wasting your time talking about test scores. The equity people have said these are all scores under the old admissions, the new students are better. They hope the new students will score better, but they know their lies will catch up to them. When the new students come in with lower scores, they will claim COVID, or mainly that the old system selected for students who were better at standardized tests, so of course the new students will have lower scores.
Since colleges have also started deemphasizing SAT to help with their affirmative action admissions, TJ might get better college admissions results from the weaker crop of students, and they will hang their hat on that.

NP. Scores are down everywhere because of covid. Are they down more at TJ than elsewhere, or less? I suppose we'll see next year. If TJ gets better college admissions, whatever the grades or test scores are, then you are going to pooh-pooh that? What a strange conversation.

Full disclosure: I think TJ is large enough for both exceptional students and for "regular" gifted students who are interested in STEM. I also think there's a point where too much concentrated exceptionalism is harmful to those students and if instead they stand out at their base schools rather than boost TJ, that seems fine to me.

My TJ son knew of a black TJ kid with below average gpa (3.2-3.3 weighted gpa) and below average SAT scores (1300-1350) for TJ get admitted to several Ivy schools so look for a significantly better college outcomes with significantly more black/Hispanic applicant6s and reduced Asian applicants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are wasting your time talking about test scores. The equity people have said these are all scores under the old admissions, the new students are better. They hope the new students will score better, but they know their lies will catch up to them. When the new students come in with lower scores, they will claim COVID, or mainly that the old system selected for students who were better at standardized tests, so of course the new students will have lower scores.
Since colleges have also started deemphasizing SAT to help with their affirmative action admissions, TJ might get better college admissions results from the weaker crop of students, and they will hang their hat on that.

NP. Scores are down everywhere because of covid. Are they down more at TJ than elsewhere, or less? I suppose we'll see next year. If TJ gets better college admissions, whatever the grades or test scores are, then you are going to pooh-pooh that? What a strange conversation.

Full disclosure: I think TJ is large enough for both exceptional students and for "regular" gifted students who are interested in STEM. I also think there's a point where too much concentrated exceptionalism is harmful to those students and if instead they stand out at their base schools rather than boost TJ, that seems fine to me.

My TJ son knew of a black TJ kid with below average gpa (3.2-3.3 weighted gpa) and below average SAT scores (1300-1350) for TJ get admitted to several Ivy schools so look for a significantly better college outcomes with significantly more black/Hispanic applicant6s and reduced Asian applicants.

Either you or your Dd's lying. TJ college destinations are published every year and no TJ Ivys in the last few years fit your description.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are wasting your time talking about test scores. The equity people have said these are all scores under the old admissions, the new students are better. They hope the new students will score better, but they know their lies will catch up to them. When the new students come in with lower scores, they will claim COVID, or mainly that the old system selected for students who were better at standardized tests, so of course the new students will have lower scores.
Since colleges have also started deemphasizing SAT to help with their affirmative action admissions, TJ might get better college admissions results from the weaker crop of students, and they will hang their hat on that.

NP. Scores are down everywhere because of covid. Are they down more at TJ than elsewhere, or less? I suppose we'll see next year. If TJ gets better college admissions, whatever the grades or test scores are, then you are going to pooh-pooh that? What a strange conversation.

Full disclosure: I think TJ is large enough for both exceptional students and for "regular" gifted students who are interested in STEM. I also think there's a point where too much concentrated exceptionalism is harmful to those students and if instead they stand out at their base schools rather than boost TJ, that seems fine to me.

My TJ son knew of a black TJ kid with below average gpa (3.2-3.3 weighted gpa) and below average SAT scores (1300-1350) for TJ get admitted to several Ivy schools so look for a significantly better college outcomes with significantly more black/Hispanic applicant6s and reduced Asian applicants.

Either you or your Dd's lying. TJ college destinations are published every year and no TJ Ivys in the last few years fit your description.

It happened. Class of 2018 or 2019.

[Anonymous]

What is the average SAT score for the class of 2025 now?

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Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1

My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.

So comparable to a B+ student before all the grade inflation? I remember when I was in FCPS maybe 5% or less of my class had an A average.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the average SAT score for the class of 2025 now?

Scores keep getting bumped higher so need to look at percentile to make sense of it. I think a 1500 today is similar to 1300 pre-1990.

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Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1

My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.

With the new admission process, the bar is much higher now. The kid's scores are through the roof!!

This is not true.

SOLs for the new admissions cohort are lower than previous years by quite a lot. Also, level of math acceleration is lower than previous cohorts. And soon, PSAT scores will probably reveal a drop in scores. We shall see.

It’s OK the admissions were changed to include a more diverse set of kids, but there is no need to make up things about the scores.

PSAT result is already out - Class of 2025 has a fluctuation of 113 (Max score: 1520) in mean score from pre-pandemic (class of 2019) and difference of 89 from class of 2024. It is lower from previous years but not a very huge difference. Anyways PSAT is not a measure of in-nate talent.

Sounds like a sideeffect of the COVID pandemic.

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Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1

My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.

With the new admission process, the bar is much higher now. The kid's scores are through the roof!!

This is not true.

SOLs for the new admissions cohort are lower than previous years by quite a lot. Also, level of math acceleration is lower than previous cohorts. And soon, PSAT scores will probably reveal a drop in scores. We shall see.

It’s OK the admissions were changed to include a more diverse set of kids, but there is no need to make up things about the scores.

PSAT result is already out - Class of 2025 has a fluctuation of 113 (Max score: 1520) in mean score from pre-pandemic (class of 2019) and difference of 89 from class of 2024. It is lower from previous years but not a very huge difference. Anyways PSAT is not a measure of in-nate talent.

Sounds like a sideeffect of the COVID pandemic.

PSAT-10 showed a ~120 point different between '24 and '25 for TJ, while most high schools stayed even or improved. Its not COVID.

[Anonymous]

Essay lottery admissions effect. Remedial math is in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are wasting your time talking about test scores. The equity people have said these are all scores under the old admissions, the new students are better. They hope the new students will score better, but they know their lies will catch up to them. When the new students come in with lower scores, they will claim COVID, or mainly that the old system selected for students who were better at standardized tests, so of course the new students will have lower scores.
Since colleges have also started deemphasizing SAT to help with their affirmative action admissions, TJ might get better college admissions results from the weaker crop of students, and they will hang their hat on that.

NP. Scores are down everywhere because of covid. Are they down more at TJ than elsewhere, or less? I suppose we'll see next year. If TJ gets better college admissions, whatever the grades or test scores are, then you are going to pooh-pooh that? What a strange conversation.

Full disclosure: I think TJ is large enough for both exceptional students and for "regular" gifted students who are interested in STEM. I also think there's a point where too much concentrated exceptionalism is harmful to those students and if instead they stand out at their base schools rather than boost TJ, that seems fine to me.

My TJ son knew of a black TJ kid with below average gpa (3.2-3.3 weighted gpa) and below average SAT scores (1300-1350) for TJ get admitted to several Ivy schools so look for a significantly better college outcomes with significantly more black/Hispanic applicant6s and reduced Asian applicants.

Either you or your Dd's lying. TJ college destinations are published every year and no TJ Ivys in the last few years fit your description.

Approximately 3/4 of TJ's college admissions are published every year through the school's newsmagazine, tjTODAY. Failing to see a name on that list is not evidence that it doesn't exist. Students are in the process of filling out a Google Form right now, in fact, that will be used to publish the Class of 2024's destinations for this year's senior issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is the average SAT score for the class of 2025 now?

Scores keep getting bumped higher so need to look at percentile to make sense of it. I think a 1500 today is similar to 1300 pre-1990.

Dang.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1

My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.

With the new admission process, the bar is much higher now. The kid's scores are through the roof!!

This is not true.

SOLs for the new admissions cohort are lower than previous years by quite a lot. Also, level of math acceleration is lower than previous cohorts. And soon, PSAT scores will probably reveal a drop in scores. We shall see.

It’s OK the admissions were changed to include a more diverse set of kids, but there is no need to make up things about the scores.

It is sad that test scores at TJ have dropped so much since the admissions requirements were changed by the school board.

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Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1

My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.

With the new admission process, the bar is much higher now. The kid's scores are through the roof!!

This is not true.

SOLs for the new admissions cohort are lower than previous years by quite a lot. Also, level of math acceleration is lower than previous cohorts. And soon, PSAT scores will probably reveal a drop in scores. We shall see.

It’s OK the admissions were changed to include a more diverse set of kids, but there is no need to make up things about the scores.

PSAT result is already out - Class of 2025 has a fluctuation of 113 (Max score: 1520) in mean score from pre-pandemic (class of 2019) and difference of 89 from class of 2024. It is lower from previous years but not a very huge difference. Anyways PSAT is not a measure of in-nate talent.

Sounds like a sideeffect of the COVID pandemic.

PSAT-10 showed a ~120 point different between '24 and '25 for TJ, while most high schools stayed even or improved. Its not COVID.

There is no way this is true.