“Equity math” coming to FCPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/graduation-requirements-and-course-planning/high-school-course-sequencing/mathematics

Student 1 Math Progression by Grade:
9th Algebra 1 Part 1, 10th Algebra 1, 11th Geometry, 12th Algebra, Functions, and Data Analysis

Student 2 Math Progression by Grade:
7th Algebra 1H, 8th Geometry H, 9th Algebra 2H, 10th Pre-calculus H, 11th AP Calculus BC, 12th Multivariable Calculus & Linear Algebra

What is the Equity concern here? Is it that Student 2 graduates high school having learnt more math than Student 1? Is Equity trying t figure out how to limit Student 2's math learning?

YES. Closing the racial achievement gap - from the top down - is precisely what FCPS is doing:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1066612.page

FCPS is following a trend pioneered on the West Coast:


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/california-math-framework-algebra/675509/

It is sad and pathetic how many here are trying to astroturf what is actually happening in our public schools. Do not be mislead: it is happening.

This is also just called closing the gap since there is no other way to do it than from the top down. All efforts and piles of $$$ have all failed to elevate kids at the bottom, the only thing that works in shrinking that gap is neglecting to educate those at the top.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The VMPI troll’s next biggest lie is “VMPI never intended to eliminate higher math.”

That lie is laughable and so untrue. But she just won’t let it go.

We can all see that Calculus and IB (and trig) were on the initial infographic so…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

Algebra was gone. “The VMPI initiative imagines math instruction for students that integrates existing
math content into blended courses for students typically in grades 8-10.
● The content from Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2 is not being eliminated by VMPI, but rather the content of these courses will be blended into a seamless progression of connected learning. This encourages students to connect mathematical concepts and develop a much deeper and more relevant understanding of each concept within its context and relevance.


Under VMPI, you would no longer see a class called Algebra (among others).

https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

The content was blended in and classes were blended together. No choices were offered until late high school.

So if all students were taking the blended class in 8th grade (at the latest), then all students were starting algebra 1 in 8th (at the latest) - which is actually earlier the current baseline path, which is algebra 1 in 9th.

When did VDOE tell parents that "no choices were offered until late HS"? And that was "essentially happening"?

No. The Grade 8-10 courses purportedly blended four years of math (Math 8, Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2) into three years. If so, that would generate three high school math credits. But the three blended Grade 8-10 courses only generated two high school math credits, so it was watered down. In all likelihood, VMPI would have effectively been Algebra 1 in 9th and nearly all of Algebra 2 would have been blended with Precalculus like San Francisco did. VMPI needed to blend the courses so it was less obvious how much content they were chopping out and how much of Algebra 2 was going to be delayed until Precalculus.

We don't know because it never got that far. Math 8 has very little new content. And if you aren't skipping a year between A1 and A2 you build on more topics more fluidly with less extra review. And school districts would have been able to define/combine classes as they deemed necessary.

I see the “VMPI Troll” has discovered this thread.

She prolifically fought anyone who questioned VMPI back when our disastrous former governor was going along with it; she was and is quite nasty too. I suspect she was partly responsible for its planned implementation (and it was presented to both educators and parents as a done-deal).

Everyone knows what it was going to do. There is no sense in still telling lies about it now, PP.

I am PP, and

- did I call it? When I said the VMPI troll was nasty, I meant that she constantly lies (like pretending VMPI was only “in the planning stage” lol), then she turns around and accuses others of lying.

Unbelievable! And nasty.

They were in the planning phase which you can see if you looked at their timeline or watched the webinars…

Not sure how saying that is “nasty”. Seems like you’re just trying to silence the truth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

Algebra was gone. “The VMPI initiative imagines math instruction for students that integrates existing
math content into blended courses for students typically in grades 8-10.
● The content from Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2 is not being eliminated by VMPI, but rather the content of these courses will be blended into a seamless progression of connected learning. This encourages students to connect mathematical concepts and develop a much deeper and more relevant understanding of each concept within its context and relevance.


Under VMPI, you would no longer see a class called Algebra (among others).

https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

The content was blended in and classes were blended together. No choices were offered until late high school.

So if all students were taking the blended class in 8th grade (at the latest), then all students were starting algebra 1 in 8th (at the latest) - which is actually earlier the current baseline path, which is algebra 1 in 9th.

When did VDOE tell parents that "no choices were offered until late HS"? And that was "essentially happening"?

No. The Grade 8-10 courses purportedly blended four years of math (Math 8, Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2) into three years. If so, that would generate three high school math credits. But the three blended Grade 8-10 courses only generated two high school math credits, so it was watered down. In all likelihood, VMPI would have effectively been Algebra 1 in 9th and nearly all of Algebra 2 would have been blended with Precalculus like San Francisco did. VMPI needed to blend the courses so it was less obvious how much content they were chopping out and how much of Algebra 2 was going to be delayed until Precalculus.

We don't know because it never got that far. Math 8 has very little new content. And if you aren't skipping a year between A1 and A2 you build on more topics more fluidly with less extra review. And school districts would have been able to define/combine classes as they deemed necessary.

I see the “VMPI Troll” has discovered this thread.

She prolifically fought anyone who questioned VMPI back when our disastrous former governor was going along with it; she was and is quite nasty too. I suspect she was partly responsible for its planned implementation (and it was presented to both educators and parents as a done-deal).

Everyone knows what it was going to do. There is no sense in still telling lies about it now, PP.

I am PP, and

- did I call it? When I said the VMPI troll was nasty, I meant that she constantly lies (like pretending VMPI was only “in the planning stage” lol), then she turns around and accuses others of lying.

Unbelievable! And nasty.

They were in the planning phase which you can see if you looked at their timeline or watched the webinars…

Not sure how saying that is “nasty”. Seems like you’re just trying to silence the truth.

Mostly seems like one poster is attempting to get people riled up over something that they know will never happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

Algebra was gone. “The VMPI initiative imagines math instruction for students that integrates existing
math content into blended courses for students typically in grades 8-10.
● The content from Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2 is not being eliminated by VMPI, but rather the content of these courses will be blended into a seamless progression of connected learning. This encourages students to connect mathematical concepts and develop a much deeper and more relevant understanding of each concept within its context and relevance.


Under VMPI, you would no longer see a class called Algebra (among others).

https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

The content was blended in and classes were blended together. No choices were offered until late high school.

So if all students were taking the blended class in 8th grade (at the latest), then all students were starting algebra 1 in 8th (at the latest) - which is actually earlier the current baseline path, which is algebra 1 in 9th.

When did VDOE tell parents that "no choices were offered until late HS"? And that was "essentially happening"?

No. The Grade 8-10 courses purportedly blended four years of math (Math 8, Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2) into three years. If so, that would generate three high school math credits. But the three blended Grade 8-10 courses only generated two high school math credits, so it was watered down. In all likelihood, VMPI would have effectively been Algebra 1 in 9th and nearly all of Algebra 2 would have been blended with Precalculus like San Francisco did. VMPI needed to blend the courses so it was less obvious how much content they were chopping out and how much of Algebra 2 was going to be delayed until Precalculus.

We don't know because it never got that far. Math 8 has very little new content. And if you aren't skipping a year between A1 and A2 you build on more topics more fluidly with less extra review. And school districts would have been able to define/combine classes as they deemed necessary.

I see the “VMPI Troll” has discovered this thread.

She prolifically fought anyone who questioned VMPI back when our disastrous former governor was going along with it; she was and is quite nasty too. I suspect she was partly responsible for its planned implementation (and it was presented to both educators and parents as a done-deal).

Everyone knows what it was going to do. There is no sense in still telling lies about it now, PP.

I am PP, and

- did I call it? When I said the VMPI troll was nasty, I meant that she constantly lies (like pretending VMPI was only “in the planning stage” lol), then she turns around and accuses others of lying.

Unbelievable! And nasty.

They were in the planning phase which you can see if you looked at their timeline or watched the webinars…

Not sure how saying that is “nasty”. Seems like you’re just trying to silence the truth.

Mostly seems like one poster is attempting to get people riled up over something that they know will never happen.

Whether it is hundred posters or one, focus on the performance and failures of current board members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I received the email below this morning from FCPS. And it does not say anything about removing Algebra 1 from middle school. Stop coming on here and giving false information.

Helping students to complete Algebra 1 by eighth grade is part of our Strategic Plan (Goal 3: Academic Growth and Excellence). The Algebra Access Network Improvement Community (AANIC) is working to increase the diverse representation of students who take advanced math classes and succeed in them. Learn more about the AANIC cohorts at Kilmer and Key middle schools and hear students explain why algebra matters to them.

Passing Algebra 1 earlier allows students to take more advanced classes like Dual Enrollment courses, Advanced Placement (AP), and International Baccalaureate (IB) courses. These advanced courses help students succeed in college. A recent study from the Northwest Evaluation Association (NWEA) found that completing Algebra 1 by eighth grade led to 30% more ninth graders and 16% more 11th graders taking advanced courses.

Here is what is currently happening in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/graduation-requirements-and-course-planning/high-school-course-sequencing/mathematics

Student 1 Math Progression by Grade:
9th Algebra 1 Part 1, 10th Algebra 1, 11th Geometry, 12th Algebra, Functions, and Data Analysis

Student 2 Math Progression by Grade:
7th Algebra 1H, 8th Geometry H, 9th Algebra 2H, 10th Pre-calculus H, 11th AP Calculus BC, 12th Multivariable Calculus & Linear Algebra

What is the Equity concern here? Is it that Student 2 graduates high school having learnt more math than Student 1? Is Equity trying t figure out how to limit Student 2's math learning?

When people vist a restaurant with buffet, based on individual appetite some eat more and some others eat less. It doesn’t make sense to label this as Equity eating gap, when the gap is in individual appetite.

[Anonymous]

According to the Harrison Bergeron Center for Educational Enrichment, high achievers violate the Handicapper General's rules and must be normalized.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

Algebra was gone. “The VMPI initiative imagines math instruction for students that integrates existing
math content into blended courses for students typically in grades 8-10.
● The content from Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2 is not being eliminated by VMPI, but rather the content of these courses will be blended into a seamless progression of connected learning. This encourages students to connect mathematical concepts and develop a much deeper and more relevant understanding of each concept within its context and relevance.


Under VMPI, you would no longer see a class called Algebra (among others).

https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

The content was blended in and classes were blended together. No choices were offered until late high school.

So if all students were taking the blended class in 8th grade (at the latest), then all students were starting algebra 1 in 8th (at the latest) - which is actually earlier the current baseline path, which is algebra 1 in 9th.

When did VDOE tell parents that "no choices were offered until late HS"? And that was "essentially happening"?

No. The Grade 8-10 courses purportedly blended four years of math (Math 8, Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2) into three years. If so, that would generate three high school math credits. But the three blended Grade 8-10 courses only generated two high school math credits, so it was watered down. In all likelihood, VMPI would have effectively been Algebra 1 in 9th and nearly all of Algebra 2 would have been blended with Precalculus like San Francisco did. VMPI needed to blend the courses so it was less obvious how much content they were chopping out and how much of Algebra 2 was going to be delayed until Precalculus.

We don't know because it never got that far. Math 8 has very little new content. And if you aren't skipping a year between A1 and A2 you build on more topics more fluidly with less extra review. And school districts would have been able to define/combine classes as they deemed necessary.

I see the “VMPI Troll” has discovered this thread.

She prolifically fought anyone who questioned VMPI back when our disastrous former governor was going along with it; she was and is quite nasty too. I suspect she was partly responsible for its planned implementation (and it was presented to both educators and parents as a done-deal).

Everyone knows what it was going to do. There is no sense in still telling lies about it now, PP.

I am PP, and

- did I call it? When I said the VMPI troll was nasty, I meant that she constantly lies (like pretending VMPI was only “in the planning stage” lol), then she turns around and accuses others of lying.

Unbelievable! And nasty.

They were in the planning phase which you can see if you looked at their timeline or watched the webinars…

Not sure how saying that is “nasty”. Seems like you’re just trying to silence the truth.

Mostly seems like one poster is attempting to get people riled up over something that they know will never happen.

Whether it is hundred posters or one, focus on the performance and failures of current board members.

The current board has done a great job in my opinion. They helped eliminate the rampant cheating and leveled the playing field to make these elite opportunities accessible to all county residents not just the wealthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to the Harrison Bergeron Center for Educational Enrichment, high achievers violate the Handicapper General's rules and must be normalized.

Haha

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to the Harrison Bergeron Center for Educational Enrichment, high achievers violate the Handicapper General's rules and must be normalized.

Careful, the Republicans might actually start using this as a talking point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The VMPI troll’s next biggest lie is “VMPI never intended to eliminate higher math.”

That lie is laughable and so untrue. But she just won’t let it go.

God, get help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh FFS with these posts.

No. It’s not happening. Stop trying to suggest it is happening.

but fear-mongering half-truths is how we get people to vote for crazy far-right candidates...

Yup.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

Algebra was gone. “The VMPI initiative imagines math instruction for students that integrates existing
math content into blended courses for students typically in grades 8-10.
● The content from Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2 is not being eliminated by VMPI, but rather the content of these courses will be blended into a seamless progression of connected learning. This encourages students to connect mathematical concepts and develop a much deeper and more relevant understanding of each concept within its context and relevance.


Under VMPI, you would no longer see a class called Algebra (among others).

https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

The content was blended in and classes were blended together. No choices were offered until late high school.

So if all students were taking the blended class in 8th grade (at the latest), then all students were starting algebra 1 in 8th (at the latest) - which is actually earlier the current baseline path, which is algebra 1 in 9th.

When did VDOE tell parents that "no choices were offered until late HS"? And that was "essentially happening"?

No. The Grade 8-10 courses purportedly blended four years of math (Math 8, Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2) into three years. If so, that would generate three high school math credits. But the three blended Grade 8-10 courses only generated two high school math credits, so it was watered down. In all likelihood, VMPI would have effectively been Algebra 1 in 9th and nearly all of Algebra 2 would have been blended with Precalculus like San Francisco did. VMPI needed to blend the courses so it was less obvious how much content they were chopping out and how much of Algebra 2 was going to be delayed until Precalculus.

We don't know because it never got that far. Math 8 has very little new content. And if you aren't skipping a year between A1 and A2 you build on more topics more fluidly with less extra review. And school districts would have been able to define/combine classes as they deemed necessary.

I see the “VMPI Troll” has discovered this thread.

She prolifically fought anyone who questioned VMPI back when our disastrous former governor was going along with it; she was and is quite nasty too. I suspect she was partly responsible for its planned implementation (and it was presented to both educators and parents as a done-deal).

Everyone knows what it was going to do. There is no sense in still telling lies about it now, PP.

I am PP, and

- did I call it? When I said the VMPI troll was nasty, I meant that she constantly lies (like pretending VMPI was only “in the planning stage” lol), then she turns around and accuses others of lying.

Unbelievable! And nasty.

They were in the planning phase which you can see if you looked at their timeline or watched the webinars…

Not sure how saying that is “nasty”. Seems like you’re just trying to silence the truth.

Mostly seems like one poster is attempting to get people riled up over something that they know will never happen.

Whether it is hundred posters or one, focus on the performance and failures of current board members.

The current board has done a great job in my opinion. They helped eliminate the rampant cheating and leveled the playing field to make these elite opportunities accessible to all county residents not just the wealthy.

Useful idiots have been fed with this non existent cheating. Next up, advertise Curie!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/graduation-requirements-and-course-planning/high-school-course-sequencing/mathematics

Student 1 Math Progression by Grade:
9th Algebra 1 Part 1, 10th Algebra 1, 11th Geometry, 12th Algebra, Functions, and Data Analysis

Student 2 Math Progression by Grade:
7th Algebra 1H, 8th Geometry H, 9th Algebra 2H, 10th Pre-calculus H, 11th AP Calculus BC, 12th Multivariable Calculus & Linear Algebra

What is the Equity concern here? Is it that Student 2 graduates high school having learnt more math than Student 1? Is Equity trying t figure out how to limit Student 2's math learning?

YES. Closing the racial achievement gap - from the top down - is precisely what FCPS is doing:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1066612.page

FCPS is following a trend pioneered on the West Coast:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/california-math-framework-algebra/675509/

It is sad and pathetic how many here are trying to astroturf what is actually happening in our public schools. Do not be mislead: it is happening.

as an idea to achieve equity, why not make math a no-grad subject. That way everyone is equal in math, whether student learns it or not.