“Equity math” coming to FCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

Algebra was gone. “The VMPI initiative imagines math instruction for students that integrates existing
math content into blended courses for students typically in grades 8-10.
● The content from Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2 is not being eliminated by VMPI, but rather the content of these courses will be blended into a seamless progression of connected learning. This encourages students to connect mathematical concepts and develop a much deeper and more relevant understanding of each concept within its context and relevance.


Under VMPI, you would no longer see a class called Algebra (among others).

https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

The content was blended in and classes were blended together. No choices were offered until late high school.

So if all students were taking the blended class in 8th grade (at the latest), then all students were starting algebra 1 in 8th (at the latest) - which is actually earlier the current baseline path, which is algebra 1 in 9th.

When did VDOE tell parents that "no choices were offered until late HS"? And that was "essentially happening"?

No. The Grade 8-10 courses purportedly blended four years of math (Math 8, Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2) into three years. If so, that would generate three high school math credits. But the three blended Grade 8-10 courses only generated two high school math credits, so it was watered down. In all likelihood, VMPI would have effectively been Algebra 1 in 9th and nearly all of Algebra 2 would have been blended with Precalculus like San Francisco did. VMPI needed to blend the courses so it was less obvious how much content they were chopping out and how much of Algebra 2 was going to be delayed until Precalculus.

We don't know because it never got that far. Math 8 has very little new content. And if you aren't skipping a year between A1 and A2 you build on more topics more fluidly with less extra review. And school districts would have been able to define/combine classes as they deemed necessary.

I see the “VMPI Troll” has discovered this thread.

She prolifically fought anyone who questioned VMPI back when our disastrous former governor was going along with it; she was and is quite nasty too. I suspect she was partly responsible for its planned implementation (and it was presented to both educators and parents as a done-deal).

Everyone knows what it was going to do. There is no sense in still telling lies about it now, PP.

Nothing nasty about debunking Republican lies and misinformation with facts, quotes, and screenshots.

This plan sucks. The whole equity in education at the expense of high achieving kids is utter 💩. It isn’t that it gives better opportunities for all. It deflates the top scores, artificially raises the bottom ones, and squished everyone in the middle. It appears “successful” when they claim grades have increased.

I’m 100% democrat except for this ridiculous nonsense.

I’m a former FCPS teacher and I haven’t encountered a single me person IRL who likes this other than the school board and some admin.

Agree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

Algebra was gone. “The VMPI initiative imagines math instruction for students that integrates existing
math content into blended courses for students typically in grades 8-10.
● The content from Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2 is not being eliminated by VMPI, but rather the content of these courses will be blended into a seamless progression of connected learning. This encourages students to connect mathematical concepts and develop a much deeper and more relevant understanding of each concept within its context and relevance.


Under VMPI, you would no longer see a class called Algebra (among others).

https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

The content was blended in and classes were blended together. No choices were offered until late high school.

So if all students were taking the blended class in 8th grade (at the latest), then all students were starting algebra 1 in 8th (at the latest) - which is actually earlier the current baseline path, which is algebra 1 in 9th.

When did VDOE tell parents that "no choices were offered until late HS"? And that was "essentially happening"?

No. The Grade 8-10 courses purportedly blended four years of math (Math 8, Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2) into three years. If so, that would generate three high school math credits. But the three blended Grade 8-10 courses only generated two high school math credits, so it was watered down. In all likelihood, VMPI would have effectively been Algebra 1 in 9th and nearly all of Algebra 2 would have been blended with Precalculus like San Francisco did. VMPI needed to blend the courses so it was less obvious how much content they were chopping out and how much of Algebra 2 was going to be delayed until Precalculus.

We don't know because it never got that far. Math 8 has very little new content. And if you aren't skipping a year between A1 and A2 you build on more topics more fluidly with less extra review. And school districts would have been able to define/combine classes as they deemed necessary.

I see the “VMPI Troll” has discovered this thread.

She prolifically fought anyone who questioned VMPI back when our disastrous former governor was going along with it; she was and is quite nasty too. I suspect she was partly responsible for its planned implementation (and it was presented to both educators and parents as a done-deal).

Everyone knows what it was going to do. There is no sense in still telling lies about it now, PP.

Nothing nasty about debunking Republican lies and misinformation with facts, quotes, and screenshots.

This plan sucks. The whole equity in education at the expense of high achieving kids is utter 💩. It isn’t that it gives better opportunities for all. It deflates the top scores, artificially raises the bottom ones, and squished everyone in the middle. It appears “successful” when they claim grades have increased.

I’m 100% democrat except for this ridiculous nonsense.

I’m a former FCPS teacher and I haven’t encountered a single me person IRL who likes this other than the school board and some admin.

Which plan? The one that was trying to introduce MORE math options? And help MORE kids do advanced math?

Thank goodness you aren't teaching anymore if you can't accurately process and interpret information.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

Algebra was gone. “The VMPI initiative imagines math instruction for students that integrates existing
math content into blended courses for students typically in grades 8-10.
● The content from Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2 is not being eliminated by VMPI, but rather the content of these courses will be blended into a seamless progression of connected learning. This encourages students to connect mathematical concepts and develop a much deeper and more relevant understanding of each concept within its context and relevance.


Under VMPI, you would no longer see a class called Algebra (among others).

https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

The content was blended in and classes were blended together. No choices were offered until late high school.

So if all students were taking the blended class in 8th grade (at the latest), then all students were starting algebra 1 in 8th (at the latest) - which is actually earlier the current baseline path, which is algebra 1 in 9th.

When did VDOE tell parents that "no choices were offered until late HS"? And that was "essentially happening"?

No. The Grade 8-10 courses purportedly blended four years of math (Math 8, Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2) into three years. If so, that would generate three high school math credits. But the three blended Grade 8-10 courses only generated two high school math credits, so it was watered down. In all likelihood, VMPI would have effectively been Algebra 1 in 9th and nearly all of Algebra 2 would have been blended with Precalculus like San Francisco did. VMPI needed to blend the courses so it was less obvious how much content they were chopping out and how much of Algebra 2 was going to be delayed until Precalculus.

We don't know because it never got that far. Math 8 has very little new content. And if you aren't skipping a year between A1 and A2 you build on more topics more fluidly with less extra review. And school districts would have been able to define/combine classes as they deemed necessary.

I see the “VMPI Troll” has discovered this thread.

She prolifically fought anyone who questioned VMPI back when our disastrous former governor was going along with it; she was and is quite nasty too. I suspect she was partly responsible for its planned implementation (and it was presented to both educators and parents as a done-deal).

Everyone knows what it was going to do. There is no sense in still telling lies about it now, PP.

Nothing nasty about debunking Republican lies and misinformation with facts, quotes, and screenshots.

Look if not for lies and disinformation nobody would vote for our election-denying extreme candidates. Cut us some slack!

Pretty much!

The underlying racism (CRT!) and bigotry (bathrooms!) sure makes it easier for some to believe this crap.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

Algebra was gone. “The VMPI initiative imagines math instruction for students that integrates existing
math content into blended courses for students typically in grades 8-10.
● The content from Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2 is not being eliminated by VMPI, but rather the content of these courses will be blended into a seamless progression of connected learning. This encourages students to connect mathematical concepts and develop a much deeper and more relevant understanding of each concept within its context and relevance.


Under VMPI, you would no longer see a class called Algebra (among others).

https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

The content was blended in and classes were blended together. No choices were offered until late high school.

So if all students were taking the blended class in 8th grade (at the latest), then all students were starting algebra 1 in 8th (at the latest) - which is actually earlier the current baseline path, which is algebra 1 in 9th.

When did VDOE tell parents that "no choices were offered until late HS"? And that was "essentially happening"?

No. The Grade 8-10 courses purportedly blended four years of math (Math 8, Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2) into three years. If so, that would generate three high school math credits. But the three blended Grade 8-10 courses only generated two high school math credits, so it was watered down. In all likelihood, VMPI would have effectively been Algebra 1 in 9th and nearly all of Algebra 2 would have been blended with Precalculus like San Francisco did. VMPI needed to blend the courses so it was less obvious how much content they were chopping out and how much of Algebra 2 was going to be delayed until Precalculus.

We don't know because it never got that far. Math 8 has very little new content. And if you aren't skipping a year between A1 and A2 you build on more topics more fluidly with less extra review. And school districts would have been able to define/combine classes as they deemed necessary.

I see the “VMPI Troll” has discovered this thread.

She prolifically fought anyone who questioned VMPI back when our disastrous former governor was going along with it; she was and is quite nasty too. I suspect she was partly responsible for its planned implementation (and it was presented to both educators and parents as a done-deal).

Everyone knows what it was going to do. There is no sense in still telling lies about it now, PP.

Nothing nasty about debunking Republican lies and misinformation with facts, quotes, and screenshots.

This plan sucks. The whole equity in education at the expense of high achieving kids is utter 💩. It isn’t that it gives better opportunities for all. It deflates the top scores, artificially raises the bottom ones, and squished everyone in the middle. It appears “successful” when they claim grades have increased.

I’m 100% democrat except for this ridiculous nonsense.

I’m a former FCPS teacher and I haven’t encountered a single me person IRL who likes this other than the school board and some admin.

Well, I'm a hardcore right-wing extremist and love this plan. The GOP needs to dumb down the populace in order to grow its base and this helps with that goal.

HAHA touche!

[Anonymous]

As a hard-core right wing extremist, I welcome everyone concerned about "equity math" to the Make Arithmetic Great Again movement.

But as someone who is also quite concerned about education, I will admit that much of the recent progress in the reading wars has come about because the coalition signed up a bunch of "you can't be anti-racist without phonics!" types who were able to talk sense into fellow lefties. May math have such luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh FFS with these posts.

No. It’s not happening. Stop trying to suggest it is happening.

Good job on posting the Step 1 (Deny it’s happening and dismiss)

Now when do you come back to post Step 2: “well yeah, okay, it’s happening…but that’s a GOOD thing because….”

And isn’t that usually followed by Steo 3: “Now one ever said it wasn’t happening! God you people are insane!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh FFS with these posts.

No. It’s not happening. Stop trying to suggest it is happening.

Good job on posting the Step 1 (Deny it’s happening and dismiss)

Now when do you come back to post Step 2: “well yeah, okay, it’s happening…but that’s a GOOD thing because….”

And isn’t that usually followed by Steo 3: “Now one ever said it wasn’t happening! God you people are insane!”

It’s not happening. No matter how many times you post these dumb threads.

[Anonymous]

Teacher here. The 100 percent of kids taking Algebra 1 in 8th will never happen. To make a goal like that is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once again for the bozo in the back: it was presented in FCPS as a fait accompli. You weren’t there. I was. At multiple presentations.

It's too bad they didn't go through with this. Overall it would help elevate so many of the less affluent students whose parents can't invest thousands into these prep centers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teacher here. The 100 percent of kids taking Algebra 1 in 8th will never happen. To make a goal like that is ridiculous.

Nor is it necessary since not everyone has the same life goals, values or aspirations.

[Anonymous]

As long as middle class white boys don’t get to Algebra I in 8th at the same rate as working class black boys then surely it doesn’t matter if 100% don’t make it. That figure would mean that true equity had been reached and racial and socio economic barriers don’t exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

Algebra was gone. “The VMPI initiative imagines math instruction for students that integrates existing
math content into blended courses for students typically in grades 8-10.
● The content from Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2 is not being eliminated by VMPI, but rather the content of these courses will be blended into a seamless progression of connected learning. This encourages students to connect mathematical concepts and develop a much deeper and more relevant understanding of each concept within its context and relevance.


Under VMPI, you would no longer see a class called Algebra (among others).

https://www.vsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/VMPI-for-vdoe-website.pdf

The content was blended in and classes were blended together. No choices were offered until late high school.

So if all students were taking the blended class in 8th grade (at the latest), then all students were starting algebra 1 in 8th (at the latest) - which is actually earlier the current baseline path, which is algebra 1 in 9th.

When did VDOE tell parents that "no choices were offered until late HS"? And that was "essentially happening"?

No. The Grade 8-10 courses purportedly blended four years of math (Math 8, Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2) into three years. If so, that would generate three high school math credits. But the three blended Grade 8-10 courses only generated two high school math credits, so it was watered down. In all likelihood, VMPI would have effectively been Algebra 1 in 9th and nearly all of Algebra 2 would have been blended with Precalculus like San Francisco did. VMPI needed to blend the courses so it was less obvious how much content they were chopping out and how much of Algebra 2 was going to be delayed until Precalculus.

We don't know because it never got that far. Math 8 has very little new content. And if you aren't skipping a year between A1 and A2 you build on more topics more fluidly with less extra review. And school districts would have been able to define/combine classes as they deemed necessary.

I see the “VMPI Troll” has discovered this thread.

She prolifically fought anyone who questioned VMPI back when our disastrous former governor was going along with it; she was and is quite nasty too. I suspect she was partly responsible for its planned implementation (and it was presented to both educators and parents as a done-deal).

Everyone knows what it was going to do. There is no sense in still telling lies about it now, PP.

I am PP, and

- did I call it? When I said the VMPI troll was nasty, I meant that she constantly lies (like pretending VMPI was only “in the planning stage” lol), then she turns around and accuses others of lying.

Unbelievable! And nasty.

[Anonymous]

The VMPI troll’s next biggest lie is “VMPI never intended to eliminate higher math.”

That lie is laughable and so untrue. But she just won’t let it go.

[Anonymous]

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/graduation-requirements-and-course-planning/high-school-course-sequencing/mathematics

Student 1 Math Progression by Grade:
9th Algebra 1 Part 1, 10th Algebra 1, 11th Geometry, 12th Algebra, Functions, and Data Analysis

Student 2 Math Progression by Grade:
7th Algebra 1H, 8th Geometry H, 9th Algebra 2H, 10th Pre-calculus H, 11th AP Calculus BC, 12th Multivariable Calculus & Linear Algebra

What is the Equity concern here? Is it that Student 2 graduates high school having learnt more math than Student 1? Is Equity trying t figure out how to limit Student 2's math learning?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/graduation-requirements-and-course-planning/high-school-course-sequencing/mathematics

Student 1 Math Progression by Grade:
9th Algebra 1 Part 1, 10th Algebra 1, 11th Geometry, 12th Algebra, Functions, and Data Analysis

Student 2 Math Progression by Grade:
7th Algebra 1H, 8th Geometry H, 9th Algebra 2H, 10th Pre-calculus H, 11th AP Calculus BC, 12th Multivariable Calculus & Linear Algebra

What is the Equity concern here? Is it that Student 2 graduates high school having learnt more math than Student 1? Is Equity trying t figure out how to limit Student 2's math learning?

YES. Closing the racial achievement gap - from the top down - is precisely what FCPS is doing:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1066612.page

FCPS is following a trend pioneered on the West Coast:


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/california-math-framework-algebra/675509/

It is sad and pathetic how many here are trying to astroturf what is actually happening in our public schools. Do not be mislead: it is happening.