Wrangler - safety

[Anonymous]

The safest option of all is staying home in your basement and never leaving the house. I encourage everyone worried about me rolling my JK over to do just that. Stay home.

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Anonymous wrote:They're really fun but very impractical. And easy to roll. I'd never get my teen one.

Are they?

How many have you owned? How many of them did you roll? Are we talking like ALL of them? Or just like half? Or maybe you only rolled one or maybe two of them?

We just need some details in order to establish your credibility here for making that claim. I assumed it must be firsthand experience, so please share it with us.

How many have you rolled?

There is also a big difference between the sport low to the ground and a lifted Wrangler or Rubicon.

FWIW, the model that tipped in the IIHS test was a Sport.

They modified this Jeep. There are black bars on top that should not be there and the roof is off. Most don't drive with the roof off.

Do those modifications make it flip more easily? And to the PP, doesn’t IIHS test every vehicle at the same collision angle? Or are you suggesting they do not and there is some conspiracy against Wranglers? I’m asking seriously.

DP, with the relevant question no one seems to be asking:

So what if it rolled? It’s got a roll cage . A steel tube structure that is specifically designed to support several times the weight of the vehicle itself, and maintain the structural integrity of the passenger compartment during any type of rollover.

So what difference does it make then if it flops over on its side or lands on its roof, if it has a design feature specifically to deal with that and protect occupants?

That would be sort of like being outraged that a car’s airbags went off in a crash, because “the automaker should’ve built a stronger car in the first place”, since a crash set the airbags off….. well DUH - the airbags went off because that’s a design feature for safety.

Same thing with the Wrangler. The roll cage IS the design safety feature, and it comes into play if the vehicle rolls over - just as airbags come into play when a crash happens. That’s what those safety systems are FOR.

Criticizing a Wrangler for rolling over in a crash is the same as criticizing any other car for having airbags that went off in crash, because the car should’ve been built more solidly. It’s an idiot argument by people who don’t understand engineering and physics.

I have owned two wranglers and I don't consider the roll over risk high or especially worrisome but, in all fairness, the reinforced FULL metal roof of most vehicles will provide more protection then a roll bar and soft top. Also, one could argue why would Jeep put a roll bar on the wrangler if they weren't concerned about roll over safety? Many convertibles do not come with roll bars. The reality is that its there because roll over risk IS higher if you actually venture out to challenging trails, and I think its there to combat the percivied danger of driving a wrangler.

The older short wheelbase wranglers were definitely more tippy. My second wrangler was mostly stock, but my first I lifted and added 33" tires. I've driven up and down I95 many times in both Jeep and I wasn't overly concerned about a roll over - but I also have no doubt that I'd prefer to be in a Rav4 vs a wrangler if I were in a high speed accident on I95.

The fact is wranglers are fine if driven safely, but the crash tests show they do have higher risk of injury. They are fun, but let's not try to argue they don't come with slightly more risk. Own your decision

I'd prefer to be in my wrangler with all the safety features (we had to custom order it), including steel bumpers. The roof off for testing was not reasonable as most don't take off the roofs. Ours does not even come off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They're really fun but very impractical. And easy to roll. I'd never get my teen one.

Are they?

How many have you owned? How many of them did you roll? Are we talking like ALL of them? Or just like half? Or maybe you only rolled one or maybe two of them?

We just need some details in order to establish your credibility here for making that claim. I assumed it must be firsthand experience, so please share it with us.

How many have you rolled?

There is also a big difference between the sport low to the ground and a lifted Wrangler or Rubicon.

FWIW, the model that tipped in the IIHS test was a Sport.

They modified this Jeep. There are black bars on top that should not be there and the roof is off. Most don't drive with the roof off.

Do those modifications make it flip more easily? And to the PP, doesn’t IIHS test every vehicle at the same collision angle? Or are you suggesting they do not and there is some conspiracy against Wranglers? I’m asking seriously.

No, but it impacts the safety with having the roof off vs. on. And, it also only looks a the base model without any upgrades like the metal bumpers. If you are against one, don't buy one. Simple.

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Anonymous wrote:They're really fun but very impractical. And easy to roll. I'd never get my teen one.

Are they?

How many have you owned? How many of them did you roll? Are we talking like ALL of them? Or just like half? Or maybe you only rolled one or maybe two of them?

We just need some details in order to establish your credibility here for making that claim. I assumed it must be firsthand experience, so please share it with us.

How many have you rolled?

There is also a big difference between the sport low to the ground and a lifted Wrangler or Rubicon.

FWIW, the model that tipped in the IIHS test was a Sport.

They modified this Jeep. There are black bars on top that should not be there and the roof is off. Most don't drive with the roof off.

Do those modifications make it flip more easily? And to the PP, doesn’t IIHS test every vehicle at the same collision angle? Or are you suggesting they do not and there is some conspiracy against Wranglers? I’m asking seriously.

DP, with the relevant question no one seems to be asking:

So what if it rolled? It’s got a roll cage . A steel tube structure that is specifically designed to support several times the weight of the vehicle itself, and maintain the structural integrity of the passenger compartment during any type of rollover.

So what difference does it make then if it flops over on its side or lands on its roof, if it has a design feature specifically to deal with that and protect occupants?

That would be sort of like being outraged that a car’s airbags went off in a crash, because “the automaker should’ve built a stronger car in the first place”, since a crash set the airbags off….. well DUH - the airbags went off because that’s a design feature for safety.

Same thing with the Wrangler. The roll cage IS the design safety feature, and it comes into play if the vehicle rolls over - just as airbags come into play when a crash happens. That’s what those safety systems are FOR.

Criticizing a Wrangler for rolling over in a crash is the same as criticizing any other car for having airbags that went off in crash, because the car should’ve been built more solidly. It’s an idiot argument by people who don’t understand engineering and physics.

I have owned two wranglers and I don't consider the roll over risk high or especially worrisome but, in all fairness, the reinforced FULL metal roof of most vehicles will provide more protection then a roll bar and soft top. Also, one could argue why would Jeep put a roll bar on the wrangler if they weren't concerned about roll over safety? Many convertibles do not come with roll bars. The reality is that its there because roll over risk IS higher if you actually venture out to challenging trails, and I think its there to combat the percivied danger of driving a wrangler.

The older short wheelbase wranglers were definitely more tippy. My second wrangler was mostly stock, but my first I lifted and added 33" tires. I've driven up and down I95 many times in both Jeep and I wasn't overly concerned about a roll over - but I also have no doubt that I'd prefer to be in a Rav4 vs a wrangler if I were in a high speed accident on I95.

The fact is wranglers are fine if driven safely, but the crash tests show they do have higher risk of injury. They are fun, but let's not try to argue they don't come with slightly more risk. Own your decision

I'd prefer to be in my wrangler with all the safety features (we had to custom order it), including steel bumpers. The roof off for testing was not reasonable as most don't take off the roofs. Ours does not even come off.

PP. Fair enough, but what's the fun in having a jeep if you can't put the roof down (or take it off)?

[Anonymous]

Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

[Anonymous]

It was a sad day yesterday. Putting the hardtop back on my daughter's Jeep. I guess it will come off next for our trip to Kry West for Christmas!! Doors too!!

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Anonymous wrote:They're really fun but very impractical. And easy to roll. I'd never get my teen one.

Are they?

How many have you owned? How many of them did you roll? Are we talking like ALL of them? Or just like half? Or maybe you only rolled one or maybe two of them?

We just need some details in order to establish your credibility here for making that claim. I assumed it must be firsthand experience, so please share it with us.

How many have you rolled?

There is also a big difference between the sport low to the ground and a lifted Wrangler or Rubicon.

FWIW, the model that tipped in the IIHS test was a Sport.

They modified this Jeep. There are black bars on top that should not be there and the roof is off. Most don't drive with the roof off.

Do those modifications make it flip more easily? And to the PP, doesn’t IIHS test every vehicle at the same collision angle? Or are you suggesting they do not and there is some conspiracy against Wranglers? I’m asking seriously.

DP, with the relevant question no one seems to be asking:

So what if it rolled? It’s got a roll cage . A steel tube structure that is specifically designed to support several times the weight of the vehicle itself, and maintain the structural integrity of the passenger compartment during any type of rollover.

So what difference does it make then if it flops over on its side or lands on its roof, if it has a design feature specifically to deal with that and protect occupants?

That would be sort of like being outraged that a car’s airbags went off in a crash, because “the automaker should’ve built a stronger car in the first place”, since a crash set the airbags off….. well DUH - the airbags went off because that’s a design feature for safety.

Same thing with the Wrangler. The roll cage IS the design safety feature, and it comes into play if the vehicle rolls over - just as airbags come into play when a crash happens. That’s what those safety systems are FOR.

Criticizing a Wrangler for rolling over in a crash is the same as criticizing any other car for having airbags that went off in crash, because the car should’ve been built more solidly. It’s an idiot argument by people who don’t understand engineering and physics.

I have owned two wranglers and I don't consider the roll over risk high or especially worrisome but, in all fairness, the reinforced FULL metal roof of most vehicles will provide more protection then a roll bar and soft top. Also, one could argue why would Jeep put a roll bar on the wrangler if they weren't concerned about roll over safety? Many convertibles do not come with roll bars. The reality is that its there because roll over risk IS higher if you actually venture out to challenging trails, and I think its there to combat the percivied danger of driving a wrangler.

The older short wheelbase wranglers were definitely more tippy. My second wrangler was mostly stock, but my first I lifted and added 33" tires. I've driven up and down I95 many times in both Jeep and I wasn't overly concerned about a roll over - but I also have no doubt that I'd prefer to be in a Rav4 vs a wrangler if I were in a high speed accident on I95.

The fact is wranglers are fine if driven safely, but the crash tests show they do have higher risk of injury. They are fun, but let's not try to argue they don't come with slightly more risk. Own your decision

I'd prefer to be in my wrangler with all the safety features (we had to custom order it), including steel bumpers. The roof off for testing was not reasonable as most don't take off the roofs. Ours does not even come off.

PP. Fair enough, but what's the fun in having a jeep if you can't put the roof down (or take it off)?

Mine slides right open. It's great as I can open it on warm days like today and not have the hassle of removing the top. Just the click of the button. When it's colder, I turn on the heated seats and heat and open the top.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was a sad day yesterday. Putting the hardtop back on my daughter's Jeep. I guess it will come off next for our trip to Kry West for Christmas!! Doors too!!

Should have gotten her the touch roof.. its fantastic.

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Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

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Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

Sorry, meant "OP here."

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Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

I would not get one for a new driver. I'd wait a few years. It's one thing if you already have it like we do (but I will not let our child drive it alone, only with us) partly due to cost and partly because its higher up. If you had one to give them, I'd do that if it were a sport, or possibly Sahara but we have a Rubicon. If you do, get a sport as its lowest to the ground and custom order it to get all the safety features and steel bumpers. Our plan is to give our child an old car (but it may be too old by then) and if not, get them a used car and maybe after college graduation get them a new better car. I love my Wrangler. I wouldn't think twice to buy another (and we've debated it for my spouse who takes mine all the time) except the cost as it has gone up significantly the past few years and not sure if its worth it by the time you start adding on all the extras. However, with that said, there are issues with all vehicles so some of it is the driver and pure luck.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

Other than buying your new driver one for fun, there are no rational reasons. They are expensive, have poor reliability rankings, have limited storage capacity, poor mileage and below average safety ratings. So if you are making an informed decision and not going by anecdotal replies here, you are only buying a Jeep because its fun - and you probably enjoy the idea of your kids being very happy with you. Seems that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

Other than buying your new driver one for fun, there are no rational reasons. They are expensive, have poor reliability rankings, have limited storage capacity, poor mileage and below average safety ratings. So if you are making an informed decision and not going by anecdotal replies here, you are only buying a Jeep because its fun - and you probably enjoy the idea of your kids being very happy with you. Seems that simple.

Plus, you also get the option on driving it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

Other than buying your new driver one for fun, there are no rational reasons. They are expensive, have poor reliability rankings, have limited storage capacity, poor mileage and below average safety ratings. So if you are making an informed decision and not going by anecdotal replies here, you are only buying a Jeep because its fun - and you probably enjoy the idea of your kids being very happy with you. Seems that simple.

Gas mileage is fine and just as much storage as other cars or suv and you can add roof storage or hitch storage. And, mine has been very reliable. I would not buy it for a teen but love mine.