Wrangler - safety

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be honest about why you posted here. You were looking for validation on your already made decision to not pursue a Wrangler for your kid. There is nothing anyone could post on this thread that would get you to change your mind. But now you can go to your son/daughter and say, "See, I asked around, even online, and Wranglers aren't safe, so you can't have one. I tried, aren't I a great mom?"
You also clearly missed the sarcasm of the prior poster who begged you to not get a Wrangler because they thought you would take the fun out of it.
Many other posters here, as is normal for DCUM, have no direct experience with a Wrangler. Instead, they jump onboard with what they feel, what they have heard, and/or what they have read online. The Wrangler owners actually offered you some of the best feedback. But, like I said, you have already made up your mind and just wanted validation.
I have a Wrangler. I have no problem with my kids driving it, as long as I don't want to drive it myself. I'm not worried about safety any more than I would be in any other vehicle. The Wrangler is FUN, SAFE, and far more practical than any non-Wrangler owner would care to admit.

OP. What's your problem? My mind wasn't made up and I was looking to understand the opposite view, and I think there were some very helpful posts here that do give me some concrete, objective points to consider. I framed the question the way I did to elicit responses - people tend to post when they're offended either way.

I agree with the guy who said you were forbidden from owning one. You’re not a Wrangler person. I doubt your DD is either, unless she’s rebelling and trying to be 180 degrees apart from you.

You Wrangler people do realize that your tough brand has been appropriated by rich, white private school boys and girls, right? Especially the giirls?

Meh…my only jeep regret is not getting mine sooner. But, I would not buy it for a teen except a sport. The sport is low to the ground and no different than a car or suv.

[Anonymous]

Great day to take the doors and top off my Wrangler and go for a drive

[Anonymous]

We love our Wrangler, but would never take the doors off. We went with all the safety features we could add. Our teen has driven it with us b/c we want them to know how, but it is not the car was identified as "theirs". I don't really like it for a teen car, but I know why it's so popular.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have the Wrangler 4xe. I absolutely love it but there is no doubt that the handling is quite different from our other SUV--it's just not as tight and I could imagine an inexperienced driver would be more prone to swerve out of their lane. We got the full safety package and the weight of the battery makes this model less likely to roll. In any case, I'm a huge fan but I also worked a long time to buy a fun car to drive and I'd prefer if my kids did too.

Same. The 4xe is great! However, you just have to turn your head a little and it turns. I wouldn't want a new driver driving it. I keep my teen in the one with all the sensors and cameras.

[Anonymous]

Mine has had her Wrangler for a year. She knows mom will never buy her another Wrangler so she is very cautious with it! She is loving having the top down and we will hit the trails up to Flag Pole above JMU tomorrow. I'm surprised at the amount of parents that will not let their kids have fun! Kids can get hurt with all kinds of different sports. What do your kids do for any enjoyment?? Watch cnn and eat hummus??

[Anonymous]

They're really fun but very impractical. And easy to roll. I'd never get my teen one.

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Anonymous wrote:They're really fun but very impractical. And easy to roll. I'd never get my teen one.

Are they?

How many have you owned? How many of them did you roll? Are we talking like ALL of them? Or just like half? Or maybe you only rolled one or maybe two of them?

We just need some details in order to establish your credibility here for making that claim. I assumed it must be firsthand experience, so please share it with us.

How many have you rolled?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They're really fun but very impractical. And easy to roll. I'd never get my teen one.

I've seen cars roll or on the side, never a Wrangler.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They're really fun but very impractical. And easy to roll. I'd never get my teen one.

Are they?

How many have you owned? How many of them did you roll? Are we talking like ALL of them? Or just like half? Or maybe you only rolled one or maybe two of them?

We just need some details in order to establish your credibility here for making that claim. I assumed it must be firsthand experience, so please share it with us.

How many have you rolled?

There is also a big difference between the sport low to the ground and a lifted Wrangler or Rubicon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're really fun but very impractical. And easy to roll. I'd never get my teen one.

Are they?

How many have you owned? How many of them did you roll? Are we talking like ALL of them? Or just like half? Or maybe you only rolled one or maybe two of them?

We just need some details in order to establish your credibility here for making that claim. I assumed it must be firsthand experience, so please share it with us.

How many have you rolled?

There is also a big difference between the sport low to the ground and a lifted Wrangler or Rubicon.

FWIW, the model that tipped in the IIHS test was a Sport.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're really fun but very impractical. And easy to roll. I'd never get my teen one.

Are they?

How many have you owned? How many of them did you roll? Are we talking like ALL of them? Or just like half? Or maybe you only rolled one or maybe two of them?

We just need some details in order to establish your credibility here for making that claim. I assumed it must be firsthand experience, so please share it with us.

How many have you rolled?

There is also a big difference between the sport low to the ground and a lifted Wrangler or Rubicon.

FWIW, the model that tipped in the IIHS test was a Sport.

All vehicles will flip if the right angle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're really fun but very impractical. And easy to roll. I'd never get my teen one.

Are they?

How many have you owned? How many of them did you roll? Are we talking like ALL of them? Or just like half? Or maybe you only rolled one or maybe two of them?

We just need some details in order to establish your credibility here for making that claim. I assumed it must be firsthand experience, so please share it with us.

How many have you rolled?

There is also a big difference between the sport low to the ground and a lifted Wrangler or Rubicon.

FWIW, the model that tipped in the IIHS test was a Sport.

They modified this Jeep. There are black bars on top that should not be there and the roof is off. Most don't drive with the roof off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're really fun but very impractical. And easy to roll. I'd never get my teen one.

Are they?

How many have you owned? How many of them did you roll? Are we talking like ALL of them? Or just like half? Or maybe you only rolled one or maybe two of them?

We just need some details in order to establish your credibility here for making that claim. I assumed it must be firsthand experience, so please share it with us.

How many have you rolled?

There is also a big difference between the sport low to the ground and a lifted Wrangler or Rubicon.

FWIW, the model that tipped in the IIHS test was a Sport.

They modified this Jeep. There are black bars on top that should not be there and the roof is off. Most don't drive with the roof off.

Do those modifications make it flip more easily? And to the PP, doesn’t IIHS test every vehicle at the same collision angle? Or are you suggesting they do not and there is some conspiracy against Wranglers? I’m asking seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're really fun but very impractical. And easy to roll. I'd never get my teen one.

Are they?

How many have you owned? How many of them did you roll? Are we talking like ALL of them? Or just like half? Or maybe you only rolled one or maybe two of them?

We just need some details in order to establish your credibility here for making that claim. I assumed it must be firsthand experience, so please share it with us.

How many have you rolled?

There is also a big difference between the sport low to the ground and a lifted Wrangler or Rubicon.

FWIW, the model that tipped in the IIHS test was a Sport.

They modified this Jeep. There are black bars on top that should not be there and the roof is off. Most don't drive with the roof off.

Do those modifications make it flip more easily? And to the PP, doesn’t IIHS test every vehicle at the same collision angle? Or are you suggesting they do not and there is some conspiracy against Wranglers? I’m asking seriously.

DP, with the relevant question no one seems to be asking:

So what if it rolled? It’s got a roll cage . A steel tube structure that is specifically designed to support several times the weight of the vehicle itself, and maintain the structural integrity of the passenger compartment during any type of rollover.

So what difference does it make then if it flops over on its side or lands on its roof, if it has a design feature specifically to deal with that and protect occupants?

That would be sort of like being outraged that a car’s airbags went off in a crash, because “the automaker should’ve built a stronger car in the first place”, since a crash set the airbags off….. well DUH - the airbags went off because that’s a design feature for safety.

Same thing with the Wrangler. The roll cage IS the design safety feature, and it comes into play if the vehicle rolls over - just as airbags come into play when a crash happens. That’s what those safety systems are FOR.

Criticizing a Wrangler for rolling over in a crash is the same as criticizing any other car for having airbags that went off in crash, because the car should’ve been built more solidly. It’s an idiot argument by people who don’t understand engineering and physics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're really fun but very impractical. And easy to roll. I'd never get my teen one.

Are they?

How many have you owned? How many of them did you roll? Are we talking like ALL of them? Or just like half? Or maybe you only rolled one or maybe two of them?

We just need some details in order to establish your credibility here for making that claim. I assumed it must be firsthand experience, so please share it with us.

How many have you rolled?

There is also a big difference between the sport low to the ground and a lifted Wrangler or Rubicon.

FWIW, the model that tipped in the IIHS test was a Sport.

They modified this Jeep. There are black bars on top that should not be there and the roof is off. Most don't drive with the roof off.

Do those modifications make it flip more easily? And to the PP, doesn’t IIHS test every vehicle at the same collision angle? Or are you suggesting they do not and there is some conspiracy against Wranglers? I’m asking seriously.

DP, with the relevant question no one seems to be asking:

So what if it rolled? It’s got a roll cage . A steel tube structure that is specifically designed to support several times the weight of the vehicle itself, and maintain the structural integrity of the passenger compartment during any type of rollover.

So what difference does it make then if it flops over on its side or lands on its roof, if it has a design feature specifically to deal with that and protect occupants?

That would be sort of like being outraged that a car’s airbags went off in a crash, because “the automaker should’ve built a stronger car in the first place”, since a crash set the airbags off….. well DUH - the airbags went off because that’s a design feature for safety.

Same thing with the Wrangler. The roll cage IS the design safety feature, and it comes into play if the vehicle rolls over - just as airbags come into play when a crash happens. That’s what those safety systems are FOR.

Criticizing a Wrangler for rolling over in a crash is the same as criticizing any other car for having airbags that went off in crash, because the car should’ve been built more solidly. It’s an idiot argument by people who don’t understand engineering and physics.

I have owned two wranglers and I don't consider the roll over risk high or especially worrisome but, in all fairness, the reinforced FULL metal roof of most vehicles will provide more protection then a roll bar and soft top. Also, one could argue why would Jeep put a roll bar on the wrangler if they weren't concerned about roll over safety? Many convertibles do not come with roll bars. The reality is that its there because roll over risk IS higher if you actually venture out to challenging trails, and I think its there to combat the percivied danger of driving a wrangler.

The older short wheelbase wranglers were definitely more tippy. My second wrangler was mostly stock, but my first I lifted and added 33" tires. I've driven up and down I95 many times in both Jeep and I wasn't overly concerned about a roll over - but I also have no doubt that I'd prefer to be in a Rav4 vs a wrangler if I were in a high speed accident on I95.

The fact is wranglers are fine if driven safely, but the crash tests show they do have higher risk of injury. They are fun, but let's not try to argue they don't come with slightly more risk. Own your decision