Latin - diversity

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Anonymous wrote:Starting at 5th grade rather than 6th grade means a lot of DCPS families are not going to consider. I know a good handful of black kids, some EA, who tried to get into Cooper at 6th because they stayed at their local ward 5 school through the end.

The open house for Cooper last year had two kids asking if the math classes were advanced enough (both white and black). If you have a kid who is not on grade level, that makes you question if it's the right place.

Those parents made a choice. That's how school choice works. In this case, they are even dumber than an average dumb parent because as EA families their kids were all but assured seats.

The result here isn't racist and it isn't a violation of principles or equity. It's parents making bad choices and their kids paying the price.

Actually some working class families have 2 f/t jobs to stay afloat and they’re not working on computers all day where they can keep up with listservs or attend all the open houses. Or they may not speak the language. If Latin is as successful as it says, it should very much have the responsibility of going to local schools and telling students how to apply for 5th grade. Look at EL Haynes and its demographics. And it is only a few blocks away. It’s a true charter school that’s not catering itself to select few or relying on sibling preference and word of mouth to fill its class. It’s out there making sure opportunities are available to all those who need it.

All charter schools are pure lottery. How does one "cater itself"? Also, sorry to burst your bubble but EL Haynes most certainly does offer sibling preference. I am also unaware of the marketing budgets of charters. Do you have data supporting ELH spending more on marketing and outreach? I guess it is possible you do, but since you didn't even know ELH offered sibling preference I seriously question your actual knowledge of budgets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Elementary schools with EA seats easily fill them. I do not know that middle schools other than Latin have really tried EA seats yet. I think there is for a lot of people inertia to leaving a nearby elementary school that you like and where your child is stable/happy and has friends etc. before the terminal grade (or abandoning a DCPS feeder pattern that you earlier intentionally lotteried into in part for middle school reasons etc.). Latin attracts lots of families who on some level think the other non-moving/non-private options are not really acceptable and that in particular drives them to lottery and then take the lottery spot for 5th grade.

No, they don't. Not even close. The data is public so when people like you just make sh*t up to fit your preferred narrative it's real easy to call BS. Summary below Do you wanna take a run at just making up more things in an effort to support your position? We'll wait...

Barnard ES did not fill either PK3 or PK4
EL Haynes went through their entire lottery for PK3
Garrison ES did not fill either PK3 or PK4
HD Cooke appears to have been able to accommodate 100% of EA applicants
ITS did not fill PK3
John Lewis admitted 100%, no WL
LAMB barely got through their list
Lee Brookland did not fill their EA seats
Lee East End had no one on EA WL
MV Calle did not fill their EA seats
MV Cook did not fill their EA seats
TR 4th did not fill their EA seats
Van Ness admitted 100% for pk3
Van Ness did not fill pk4 EA seats
Latin Cooper did not fill EA 5th grade seats
OG Latin did not fill EA seats
Yu Ying did not fill EA seats

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Starting at 5th grade rather than 6th grade means a lot of DCPS families are not going to consider. I know a good handful of black kids, some EA, who tried to get into Cooper at 6th because they stayed at their local ward 5 school through the end.

The open house for Cooper last year had two kids asking if the math classes were advanced enough (both white and black). If you have a kid who is not on grade level, that makes you question if it's the right place.

Those parents made a choice. That's how school choice works. In this case, they are even dumber than an average dumb parent because as EA families their kids were all but assured seats.

The result here isn't racist and it isn't a violation of principles or equity. It's parents making bad choices and their kids paying the price.

Both BASIS and Latin want more diversity in their student body. Maybe having the lottery at 6th grade, when many parents apparently would prefer to have their kids move to middle school, is one way to do it.

Pick a lane here. Helping kids escape lousy ES is why we have charters. Remediating lousy ES educations (you know, the ones you have never heard of) is why those schools start in 5th. The people who have ES they like and would remain in through 5th are not the kids you and your faux outrage buddies pretend to advocate for. Or are you suggesting that we need to be even more Brent kids at BASIS and Latin?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Starting at 5th grade rather than 6th grade means a lot of DCPS families are not going to consider. I know a good handful of black kids, some EA, who tried to get into Cooper at 6th because they stayed at their local ward 5 school through the end.

The open house for Cooper last year had two kids asking if the math classes were advanced enough (both white and black). If you have a kid who is not on grade level, that makes you question if it's the right place.

Those parents made a choice. That's how school choice works. In this case, they are even dumber than an average dumb parent because as EA families their kids were all but assured seats.

The result here isn't racist and it isn't a violation of principles or equity. It's parents making bad choices and their kids paying the price.

Actually some working class families have 2 f/t jobs to stay afloat and they’re not working on computers all day where they can keep up with listservs or attend all the open houses. Or they may not speak the language. If Latin is as successful as it says, it should very much have the responsibility of going to local schools and telling students how to apply for 5th grade. Look at EL Haynes and its demographics. And it is only a few blocks away. It’s a true charter school that’s not catering itself to select few or relying on sibling preference and word of mouth to fill its class. It’s out there making sure opportunities are available to all those who need it.

All charter schools are pure lottery. How does one "cater itself"? Also, sorry to burst your bubble but EL Haynes most certainly does offer sibling preference. I am also unaware of the marketing budgets of charters. Do you have data supporting ELH spending more on marketing and outreach? I guess it is possible you do, but since you didn't even know ELH offered sibling preference I seriously question your actual knowledge of budgets.

+100. More marketing effort would not necessarily change the resulting school population mix.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Starting at 5th grade rather than 6th grade means a lot of DCPS families are not going to consider. I know a good handful of black kids, some EA, who tried to get into Cooper at 6th because they stayed at their local ward 5 school through the end.

The open house for Cooper last year had two kids asking if the math classes were advanced enough (both white and black). If you have a kid who is not on grade level, that makes you question if it's the right place.

Those parents made a choice. That's how school choice works. In this case, they are even dumber than an average dumb parent because as EA families their kids were all but assured seats.

The result here isn't racist and it isn't a violation of principles or equity. It's parents making bad choices and their kids paying the price.

Both BASIS and Latin want more diversity in their student body. Maybe having the lottery at 6th grade, when many parents apparently would prefer to have their kids move to middle school, is one way to do it.

Pick a lane here. Helping kids escape lousy ES is why we have charters. Remediating lousy ES educations (you know, the ones you have never heard of) is why those schools start in 5th. The people who have ES they like and would remain in through 5th are not the kids you and your faux outrage buddies pretend to advocate for. Or are you suggesting that we need to be even more Brent kids at BASIS and Latin?

I don't know. I'm exactly this -- we love our DCPS elementary but don't like the middle. My kid is in 4th now and is really sad at the thought of not finishing our his elementary school career at his current school. We would love to stay for 5th and then lottery for the whole lot (Latin plus good DCPS middle schools) but the fact that Latin starts in 5th makes the calculation harder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Starting at 5th grade rather than 6th grade means a lot of DCPS families are not going to consider. I know a good handful of black kids, some EA, who tried to get into Cooper at 6th because they stayed at their local ward 5 school through the end.

The open house for Cooper last year had two kids asking if the math classes were advanced enough (both white and black). If you have a kid who is not on grade level, that makes you question if it's the right place.

Those parents made a choice. That's how school choice works. In this case, they are even dumber than an average dumb parent because as EA families their kids were all but assured seats.

The result here isn't racist and it isn't a violation of principles or equity. It's parents making bad choices and their kids paying the price.

Both BASIS and Latin want more diversity in their student body. Maybe having the lottery at 6th grade, when many parents apparently would prefer to have their kids move to middle school, is one way to do it.

Pick a lane here. Helping kids escape lousy ES is why we have charters. Remediating lousy ES educations (you know, the ones you have never heard of) is why those schools start in 5th. The people who have ES they like and would remain in through 5th are not the kids you and your faux outrage buddies pretend to advocate for. Or are you suggesting that we need to be even more Brent kids at BASIS and Latin?

I don't know. I'm exactly this -- we love our DCPS elementary but don't like the middle. My kid is in 4th now and is really sad at the thought of not finishing our his elementary school career at his current school. We would love to stay for 5th and then lottery for the whole lot (Latin plus good DCPS middle schools) but the fact that Latin starts in 5th makes the calculation harder.

You miss my point. There are a number of good ES that feed into marginal or meh MS (and "hell no!" HS). Every one that doesn't feed into Deal or Hardy really. My point is that people who argue for BASIS and Latin to start in 6th pretend like they are concerned for EA kids and "equity". But that doesn't track because if the concern was really about those poor EA kids they'd want them to have an opportunity at a good school ASAP.

I respect your honesty and there's nothing wrong with wanting to be able to stay through 5th at a good ES where your kid has lots of friends. That's what's best for you and your family - unlike a lot of the faux equity brigade I believe you have a right to want good things for your child...even if you are [whispers] white and UMC. I just wish people would be honest about their feelings and wants and stop using the black/poor/EA/at-risk population as a cudgel, sword and shield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Starting at 5th grade rather than 6th grade means a lot of DCPS families are not going to consider. I know a good handful of black kids, some EA, who tried to get into Cooper at 6th because they stayed at their local ward 5 school through the end.

The open house for Cooper last year had two kids asking if the math classes were advanced enough (both white and black). If you have a kid who is not on grade level, that makes you question if it's the right place.

Those parents made a choice. That's how school choice works. In this case, they are even dumber than an average dumb parent because as EA families their kids were all but assured seats.

The result here isn't racist and it isn't a violation of principles or equity. It's parents making bad choices and their kids paying the price.

Both BASIS and Latin want more diversity in their student body. Maybe having the lottery at 6th grade, when many parents apparently would prefer to have their kids move to middle school, is one way to do it.

Pick a lane here. Helping kids escape lousy ES is why we have charters. Remediating lousy ES educations (you know, the ones you have never heard of) is why those schools start in 5th. The people who have ES they like and would remain in through 5th are not the kids you and your faux outrage buddies pretend to advocate for. Or are you suggesting that we need to be even more Brent kids at BASIS and Latin?

I don't know. I'm exactly this -- we love our DCPS elementary but don't like the middle. My kid is in 4th now and is really sad at the thought of not finishing our his elementary school career at his current school. We would love to stay for 5th and then lottery for the whole lot (Latin plus good DCPS middle schools) but the fact that Latin starts in 5th makes the calculation harder.

Choice is so haaaaaaard. Lottery for Latin in 5th. It’s a no-brainer. Le tme be clear: No amount of 8 or 9-year old “sadness” over leaving their elementary school a year early should deter you from the possibility of getting a seat at the best public MS/HS track in the city. It’s that simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Starting at 5th grade rather than 6th grade means a lot of DCPS families are not going to consider. I know a good handful of black kids, some EA, who tried to get into Cooper at 6th because they stayed at their local ward 5 school through the end.

The open house for Cooper last year had two kids asking if the math classes were advanced enough (both white and black). If you have a kid who is not on grade level, that makes you question if it's the right place.

Those parents made a choice. That's how school choice works. In this case, they are even dumber than an average dumb parent because as EA families their kids were all but assured seats.

The result here isn't racist and it isn't a violation of principles or equity. It's parents making bad choices and their kids paying the price.

Both BASIS and Latin want more diversity in their student body. Maybe having the lottery at 6th grade, when many parents apparently would prefer to have their kids move to middle school, is one way to do it.

Pick a lane here. Helping kids escape lousy ES is why we have charters. Remediating lousy ES educations (you know, the ones you have never heard of) is why those schools start in 5th. The people who have ES they like and would remain in through 5th are not the kids you and your faux outrage buddies pretend to advocate for. Or are you suggesting that we need to be even more Brent kids at BASIS and Latin?

I don't know. I'm exactly this -- we love our DCPS elementary but don't like the middle. My kid is in 4th now and is really sad at the thought of not finishing our his elementary school career at his current school. We would love to stay for 5th and then lottery for the whole lot (Latin plus good DCPS middle schools) but the fact that Latin starts in 5th makes the calculation harder.

Be the parent. The long game (a good MS/HS) far exceeds any temporary unhappiness your kid will experience for …a month or two. It’s 5th grade. This is not senior year in HS.

[Anonymous]

But that is it. Its a no brainer maybe only really for some people like a lot of posters on this board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Starting at 5th grade rather than 6th grade means a lot of DCPS families are not going to consider. I know a good handful of black kids, some EA, who tried to get into Cooper at 6th because they stayed at their local ward 5 school through the end.

The open house for Cooper last year had two kids asking if the math classes were advanced enough (both white and black). If you have a kid who is not on grade level, that makes you question if it's the right place.

Those parents made a choice. That's how school choice works. In this case, they are even dumber than an average dumb parent because as EA families their kids were all but assured seats.

The result here isn't racist and it isn't a violation of principles or equity. It's parents making bad choices and their kids paying the price.

Both BASIS and Latin want more diversity in their student body. Maybe having the lottery at 6th grade, when many parents apparently would prefer to have their kids move to middle school, is one way to do it.

Pick a lane here. Helping kids escape lousy ES is why we have charters. Remediating lousy ES educations (you know, the ones you have never heard of) is why those schools start in 5th. The people who have ES they like and would remain in through 5th are not the kids you and your faux outrage buddies pretend to advocate for. Or are you suggesting that we need to be even more Brent kids at BASIS and Latin?

I don't know. I'm exactly this -- we love our DCPS elementary but don't like the middle. My kid is in 4th now and is really sad at the thought of not finishing our his elementary school career at his current school. We would love to stay for 5th and then lottery for the whole lot (Latin plus good DCPS middle schools) but the fact that Latin starts in 5th makes the calculation harder.

Choice is so haaaaaaard. Lottery for Latin in 5th. It’s a no-brainer. Le tme be clear: No amount of 8 or 9-year old “sadness” over leaving their elementary school a year early should deter you from the possibility of getting a seat at the best public MS/HS track in the city. It’s that simple.

Latin is OK and certainly attracts a lot of people in the lottery. But it is certainly not the best MS/HS in the city. Not even close.

https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/middle-schools/district-of-columbia

[Anonymous]

Good point above. We have neighbors of many years who bailed on Latin for Walls, seeking a much bigger cohort of high-performing high school students. The kid was admitted to an Ivy this past spring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Starting at 5th grade rather than 6th grade means a lot of DCPS families are not going to consider. I know a good handful of black kids, some EA, who tried to get into Cooper at 6th because they stayed at their local ward 5 school through the end.

The open house for Cooper last year had two kids asking if the math classes were advanced enough (both white and black). If you have a kid who is not on grade level, that makes you question if it's the right place.

Those parents made a choice. That's how school choice works. In this case, they are even dumber than an average dumb parent because as EA families their kids were all but assured seats.

The result here isn't racist and it isn't a violation of principles or equity. It's parents making bad choices and their kids paying the price.

Both BASIS and Latin want more diversity in their student body. Maybe having the lottery at 6th grade, when many parents apparently would prefer to have their kids move to middle school, is one way to do it.

Pick a lane here. Helping kids escape lousy ES is why we have charters. Remediating lousy ES educations (you know, the ones you have never heard of) is why those schools start in 5th. The people who have ES they like and would remain in through 5th are not the kids you and your faux outrage buddies pretend to advocate for. Or are you suggesting that we need to be even more Brent kids at BASIS and Latin?

I don't know. I'm exactly this -- we love our DCPS elementary but don't like the middle. My kid is in 4th now and is really sad at the thought of not finishing our his elementary school career at his current school. We would love to stay for 5th and then lottery for the whole lot (Latin plus good DCPS middle schools) but the fact that Latin starts in 5th makes the calculation harder.

Choice is so haaaaaaard. Lottery for Latin in 5th. It’s a no-brainer. Le tme be clear: No amount of 8 or 9-year old “sadness” over leaving their elementary school a year early should deter you from the possibility of getting a seat at the best public MS/HS track in the city. It’s that simple.

Latin is OK and certainly attracts a lot of people in the lottery. But it is certainly not the best MS/HS in the city. Not even close.

https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/middle-schools/district-of-columbia

We can get sidetracked on which schools are better. As for diversity, people apply for Latin who would never consider EL Haynes, which makes it that much more difficult to lottery in and skews the diversity metrics. In a public lottery that’s just the way it goes and griping from the sidelines about marketing just shows that you don’t understand the situation. (Especially when it’s so obvious people were ready to light pitchforks about transportation and then had to meekly retreat once they learned about the shuttle.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good point above. We have neighbors of many years who bailed on Latin for Walls, seeking a much bigger cohort of high-performing high school students. The kid was admitted to an Ivy this past spring.

I have had kids graduate from both Latin and Walls. The one from Walls is at an Ivy. Latin is a better education and a better school by miles.

[Anonymous]

At some point it would be good for both DCPS and charter schools to start middle school at the same grade, 5th or 6th grade. It would make change easier. Frankly, don’t know why schools changed from junior high school to middle school. Junior high went from 7th to 9th, but we’ve moved on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Latins website says “the rich diversity of our staff and student body…contributes to the vibrancy of our community.” They don’t have to say this but if they do they should follow through and do outreach to everyone and not just rely on word of mouth.

It's diverse. Reflecting the city, attracting all of its population, isn't actually a problem. It's the goal. Or should be.