Free Speech Only Applies to Certain People

[Anonymous]

1) College age kids are legal adults;
2) Adulting is hard;
3) Just like every adult who went to college or didn’t they should be held accountable for what they sign and whether or not they endorse terrorist groups in same as if they promote hate speech towards other marginalized groups;
4) Parent should teach kids to be careful about what they post online;
5) College is about making mistakes and learning from them.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think OP actually knows what the 1st amendment means….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It turns out they didn't read what was released. They just belonged to the organizations who released the info. If that's the truth then I think the CEOs will settle down. Also college age kids are not adults yet and I think that cooler heads will prevail. I still think that what the organizations sent out was deplorable and maybe they should have their funding revoked (if they have funding).

This is happening at colleges and universities across our country. There have been many deplorable letters and statements.
If any student is part of an organization who publishes such a statement, they should get out of that organization STAT and let the leadership know why they are withdrawing.
It is not just the letters and statements. It is also the rallies and protests.... these have been attended by predominantly young people. Too many of these rallies are not "Pro Palestine," but "Anti-Israel" and celebrating the murder of over 1200 Jews. When you have a rally to celebrate the "success of the Resistance," that is pro-Hamas.

[Anonymous]

NP. I absolutely hate it when people show their incredibly poor comprehension of the First Amendment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bill Ackman asked for the signatories to the letter. And if organizations can get rid of people for racist sayings or hate speech they can definitely refuse to hire people who support terrorism. Others have been fired for less. In my early days of work a co worker was asked to leave for sharing an article that remotely touched on a controversial topic. Ironically now some of these Harvard students are disavowing the letter after realizing there could be consequences.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/10/11/student-groups-withdraw-israel-statement/

This. Just as the Charlottesville tiki torch brigade faced employment consequences if their employers had a conscience, so should students who indicate support for brutal terrorism... if their prospective employers can find their consciences.

This is exactly right. Any organization, person or group that gives tacit support to Hamas should be treated just like the KKK and neo-Nazis. Hamas are terrorists and there is no place for even tacit approval of their actions.

They did not support Hamas, they supported innocent Palestinians, two are not the same but that is being fed to us 24/7 and we are sick of it.

Views like this depend on the premise that the vast majority of Muslims disagree with the actions of terrorist groups. That might be true, but they tend to be very shy about letting it be known that they disagree. Their silence allows others to infer that they support the terrorists.

So, if you are a Muslim who doesn’t support terrorism, good for you—there is no requirement that you make that belief public. But the reality of this extreme situation is that you are not helping out those who want to make the case that there is a clear distinction between Palestinians and Hamas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having terrorist sympathizers on staff is really bad for business in America so I'm not surprised it's getting privileged Ivy Leaguers blacklisted. However, that's not a 1A issue. On a side note, I think we would benefit by not having business, academics, and government inundated with Harvard grads holding these extreme views.

There is nothing in that letter that sympathizes with Hamas. They rationalized the killings of innocent civilians the same way that Jews rationalize the killings of innocent Palestinians. I did not see Ackman bemoan or extend any empathy to the 300 children killed in Gaza in the last 3’days. He merely emulated Israeli oppression by using his position of power to try and erase people’s careers in the US.

No one asks Jews to denounce the illegal actions of settlers and their military before they make a statement. It only the Palestinians who must bow to their oppressor’s suffering before they can air their own grievances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It turns out they didn't read what was released. They just belonged to the organizations who released the info. If that's the truth then I think the CEOs will settle down. Also college age kids are not adults yet and I think that cooler heads will prevail. I still think that what the organizations sent out was deplorable and maybe they should have their funding revoked (if they have funding).

College students are adults if they are over the age of 18. Like can vote, live alone, take out a loan and SIGN PLEDGES ABOUT SUPPORTING NAZIS AND MEAN IT.
And if by some chance these idiot adults didn't read the pledge they signed, they don't deserve to be employed with any level responsibility.
Again, consequences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the problem. These students signed a PUBLIC letter condemning Israel the day after 1000 Israelis were massacred.

Independent of any politics or morality, it shows appalling judgement. It's a free country. These students are free to opine as they wish. But no one is obliged to hire these students. They've demonstrated where they're at. Pro-terrorism anti-semitic social justice warriors. Not too many employers want that in the office. Next.

Umm no actually, it's discrimination under title VII and NY Labor and Lawful Conduct laws. Mr. Ackman might want to be careful.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. How many times have democrats on here stated they would never hire a republican. Who they love to call Nazi's.
Well here you are quasi-supporting people that are actual Nazis killing Jews. Good luck with that.

It’s a slam dunk case that even a 5th tier employment lawyer can win in NY. Especially given Mr.Ackman’s remarks are public. I don’t care about democrats on this site, I am telling you this is against NY Labor and Lawful conduct laws.

It is also against DC law to discriminate against someone based on political affiliations, but people on DCUM chortle all the time about how they proudly round file applicants they believe to be or are republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:Having terrorist sympathizers on staff is really bad for business in America so I'm not surprised it's getting privileged Ivy Leaguers blacklisted. However, that's not a 1A issue. On a side note, I think we would benefit by not having business, academics, and government inundated with Harvard grads holding these extreme views.

There is nothing in that letter that sympathizes with Hamas. They rationalized the killings of innocent civilians the same way that Jews rationalize the killings of innocent Palestinians. I did not see Ackman bemoan or extend any empathy to the 300 children killed in Gaza in the last 3’days. He merely emulated Israeli oppression by using his position of power to try and erase people’s careers in the US.

No one asks Jews to denounce the illegal actions of settlers and their military before they make a statement. It only the Palestinians who must bow to their oppressor’s suffering before they can air their own grievances.

A line was crossed by Hamas. It's one thing for bombs to drop indiscriminately and bystanders are killed, on both sides. It's something else entirely to deliberately go into houses and decapitate babies and rape women and murder elderly people.

Israel has never, in its entire history, ever treated Palestinians the way Hamas treated Israelis last week. Nothing ever comes close to the horror.

You will never understand the fury by many people at the Harvard students and others until you figure this out. Because what we saw last week was evil. Pure evil.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the problem. These students signed a PUBLIC letter condemning Israel the day after 1000 Israelis were massacred.

Independent of any politics or morality, it shows appalling judgement. It's a free country. These students are free to opine as they wish. But no one is obliged to hire these students. They've demonstrated where they're at. Pro-terrorism anti-semitic social justice warriors. Not too many employers want that in the office. Next.

Umm no actually, it's discrimination under title VII and NY Labor and Lawful Conduct laws. Mr. Ackman might want to be careful.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. How many times have democrats on here stated they would never hire a republican. Who they love to call Nazi's.
Well here you are quasi-supporting people that are actual Nazis killing Jews. Good luck with that.

It’s a slam dunk case that even a 5th tier employment lawyer can win in NY. Especially given Mr.Ackman’s remarks are public. I don’t care about democrats on this site, I am telling you this is against NY Labor and Lawful conduct laws.

Anti discrimination laws aren't meant to protect people who are supporting organizations that the US government has designated as foreign terrorist organizations. That's not "politics." Hamas is clearly considered an enemy of the US.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having terrorist sympathizers on staff is really bad for business in America so I'm not surprised it's getting privileged Ivy Leaguers blacklisted. However, that's not a 1A issue. On a side note, I think we would benefit by not having business, academics, and government inundated with Harvard grads holding these extreme views.

There is nothing in that letter that sympathizes with Hamas. They rationalized the killings of innocent civilians the same way that Jews rationalize the killings of innocent Palestinians. I did not see Ackman bemoan or extend any empathy to the 300 children killed in Gaza in the last 3’days. He merely emulated Israeli oppression by using his position of power to try and erase people’s careers in the US.

No one asks Jews to denounce the illegal actions of settlers and their military before they make a statement. It only the Palestinians who must bow to their oppressor’s suffering before they can air their own grievances.

A line was crossed by Hamas. It's one thing for bombs to drop indiscriminately and bystanders are killed, on both sides. It's something else entirely to deliberately go into houses and decapitate babies and rape women and murder elderly people.

Israel has never, in its entire history, ever treated Palestinians the way Hamas treated Israelis last week. Nothing ever comes close to the horror.

You will never understand the fury by many people at the Harvard students and others until you figure this out. Because what we saw last week was evil. Pure evil.

+1. When people are like "yeah but how did the Israelis make them so mad to do that?" I have to think-- I would never behead a baby or rape a child or kill an innocent family. Full stop. No matter what. Not just because I respect their humanity, but because I respect my own. There's no sympathy for people who've abandoned their humanity.

[Anonymous]

I’m not sure I want college to be about not pissing off and running afoul of billionaire oligarchs.
Hamas can die in a fire and I’ll bring the marshmallows, and speech has consequences… yes absolutely! But making sure you mind your manners for your betters?
I’m not loving this direction for any of us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having terrorist sympathizers on staff is really bad for business in America so I'm not surprised it's getting privileged Ivy Leaguers blacklisted. However, that's not a 1A issue. On a side note, I think we would benefit by not having business, academics, and government inundated with Harvard grads holding these extreme views.

There is nothing in that letter that sympathizes with Hamas. They rationalized the killings of innocent civilians the same way that Jews rationalize the killings of innocent Palestinians. I did not see Ackman bemoan or extend any empathy to the 300 children killed in Gaza in the last 3’days. He merely emulated Israeli oppression by using his position of power to try and erase people’s careers in the US.

No one asks Jews to denounce the illegal actions of settlers and their military before they make a statement. It only the Palestinians who must bow to their oppressor’s suffering before they can air their own grievances.

Terrorism is terrorism. Christians don’t sympathize with the nutcases who bomb abortion clinics, they are widely condemned. I’m not sure why some Palestinian sympathizers are unable to condemn acts of terrorism. Why is that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having terrorist sympathizers on staff is really bad for business in America so I'm not surprised it's getting privileged Ivy Leaguers blacklisted. However, that's not a 1A issue. On a side note, I think we would benefit by not having business, academics, and government inundated with Harvard grads holding these extreme views.

There is nothing in that letter that sympathizes with Hamas. They rationalized the killings of innocent civilians the same way that Jews rationalize the killings of innocent Palestinians. I did not see Ackman bemoan or extend any empathy to the 300 children killed in Gaza in the last 3’days. He merely emulated Israeli oppression by using his position of power to try and erase people’s careers in the US.

No one asks Jews to denounce the illegal actions of settlers and their military before they make a statement. It only the Palestinians who must bow to their oppressor’s suffering before they can air their own grievances.

Terrorism is terrorism. Christians don’t sympathize with the nutcases who bomb abortion clinics, they are widely condemned. I’m not sure why some Palestinian sympathizers are unable to condemn acts of terrorism. Why is that?

There are plenty of Christians who don’t condemn abortion clinic bombers, btw.

[Anonymous]