Other than bread/pastry I don't get the fuss about French cuisine

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Anonymous wrote:have you had a really good french onion soup?

In eastern Europe that is called soup for the poorest of the poor, definitely nothing gourmet.

No question that US beef is the finest there is.
Tell that to Thomas Keller.

Who is he? I mean I just had to google him, and honestly, I love food, I follow food. If I don't know about him, most Americans don't know about him and zee French cuisine.
Give me lumpia or Pho and I know it and most Americans know it.

You should stop before your embarrass yourself any further.

Bla, bla, must be our French pp here.

“I love food, I follow food. Yet I cannot recognize one of the leading chefs of this generation”.

Perhaps because he cooks worse than me? I was taught by my grandma, born in central Europe in 1910.

You certainly are impressed with yourself, little cowgirl!

Wait, am I a cowgirl or a pig feet boiler? Plus, American steak over any French steak, always and forever.

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No question that US beef is the finest there is, except maybe real Wagyu.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vegetarian so when I went to France (early 2000s, it’s been a while) choices were limited. I ended up eating lots of bread, cheese, and simple salads. And it was heaven. So many things were simple in terms of ingredients but so flavorful. I’ve since had similar experiences elsewhere abroad. Might not look fancy or complicated on paper, but it tastes delicious.

Same here. The breads and cheeses were amazing, but my options were limited when we went out to dinner.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I’ve been to some really good French restaurants and the food is fine but I just don’t get excited for it.
Good itialian food, from every region. I could eat every day of my life. If I’m looking at different restaurant menus, frenzy is often my last pick.
And my Italian relatives say the French stole all the pastries from italy.

Right? I agree about Italy, good Italian food in Italy is truly amazing. Perhaps it is because I am from Europe? I am a naturalized American citizen, but I have never heard a single person back home or in Italy rave about the French cuisine. To me, they invented nothing, but the baguette and croissant and I wonder if it was really the Ottomans and Italians who influenced the layered sheet pastries.

Croissants are from Vienna
https://www.parisunlocked.com/food/food-history/history-of-the-croissant-how-france-adopted-it/

Ha, just as I posted. They stole it from my people! Central European food. My grandma was making similar pastries all the time.

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Dilettante (n.), /diləˈtänt/ One who cultivates an area of interest, such as the arts, without real commitment or knowledge.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes Chinese cuisine has had over 5000 years of refinement is perhaps the most underrated cuisine out there, but French food is still awesome. I'm one of those live all foods all around the world people.

Most Americans who haven’t been to China don’t know Chinese food. Very few Chinese restaurants in America serve authentic Chinese foods, they serve a cuisine that was adapted from Chinese cultural foods to suit the questionable tastes of the average American.

It’s still a cuisine quite obviously having become part of American and Chinese American culture, but we should all be aware that it bears little resemblance to what you would eat in China.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I’ve been to some really good French restaurants and the food is fine but I just don’t get excited for it.
Good itialian food, from every region. I could eat every day of my life. If I’m looking at different restaurant menus, frenzy is often my last pick.
And my Italian relatives say the French stole all the pastries from italy.

Right? I agree about Italy, good Italian food in Italy is truly amazing. Perhaps it is because I am from Europe? I am a naturalized American citizen, but I have never heard a single person back home or in Italy rave about the French cuisine. To me, they invented nothing, but the baguette and croissant and I wonder if it was really the Ottomans and Italians who influenced the layered sheet pastries.

Croissants are from Vienna
https://www.parisunlocked.com/food/food-history/history-of-the-croissant-how-france-adopted-it/

Ha, just as I posted. They stole it from my people! Central European food. My grandma was making similar pastries all the time.

Yes, the French stole croissants from your grandma. This must be correct.

The French developed an approach to food that essentially altered the history of food, globally, forever. It is not merely that the French developed and refined certain specific dishes that are now very well-loved (the French didn't invent bread or pastries, but they perfected items like the baguette and the croissant to a level and degree that is appreciated my even those from which these traditions may have been "stolen"), the French developed an approach to food that is more influential than any other tradition.

The modern restaurant (any restaurant), culinary schools, cook books, etc., all owe most of their current incarnation to traditions that emerged in France beginning in the 16th and 17th centuries.

Name another culinary tradition with that degree of influence. No one cares if you like beef bourguignon (I actually do not). Arguing that French cuisine is not very good is like claiming Italians don't understand opera.

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Anonymous wrote:No question that US beef is the finest there is, except maybe real Wagyu.

Argentina beats US on steak imo

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I’ve been to some really good French restaurants and the food is fine but I just don’t get excited for it.
Good itialian food, from every region. I could eat every day of my life. If I’m looking at different restaurant menus, frenzy is often my last pick.
And my Italian relatives say the French stole all the pastries from italy.

Right? I agree about Italy, good Italian food in Italy is truly amazing. Perhaps it is because I am from Europe? I am a naturalized American citizen, but I have never heard a single person back home or in Italy rave about the French cuisine. To me, they invented nothing, but the baguette and croissant and I wonder if it was really the Ottomans and Italians who influenced the layered sheet pastries.

Croissants are from Vienna
https://www.parisunlocked.com/food/food-history/history-of-the-croissant-how-france-adopted-it/

My previous post was spot on then, it had to do with the Ottoman siege of Vienna and from there pastry was invented. It was just a guess on my part but appears even research supports it.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I’ve been to some really good French restaurants and the food is fine but I just don’t get excited for it.
Good itialian food, from every region. I could eat every day of my life. If I’m looking at different restaurant menus, frenzy is often my last pick.
And my Italian relatives say the French stole all the pastries from italy.

Right? I agree about Italy, good Italian food in Italy is truly amazing. Perhaps it is because I am from Europe? I am a naturalized American citizen, but I have never heard a single person back home or in Italy rave about the French cuisine. To me, they invented nothing, but the baguette and croissant and I wonder if it was really the Ottomans and Italians who influenced the layered sheet pastries.

Croissants are from Vienna
https://www.parisunlocked.com/food/food-history/history-of-the-croissant-how-france-adopted-it/

Ha, just as I posted. They stole it from my people! Central European food. My grandma was making similar pastries all the time.

Yes, the French stole croissants from your grandma. This must be correct.

The French developed an approach to food that essentially altered the history of food, globally, forever. It is not merely that the French developed and refined certain specific dishes that are now very well-loved (the French didn't invent bread or pastries, but they perfected items like the baguette and the croissant to a level and degree that is appreciated my even those from which these traditions may have been "stolen"), the French developed an approach to food that is more influential than any other tradition.

The modern restaurant (any restaurant), culinary schools, cook books, etc., all owe most of their current incarnation to traditions that emerged in France beginning in the 16th and 17th centuries.

Name another culinary tradition with that degree of influence. No one cares if you like beef bourguignon (I actually do not). Arguing that French cuisine is not very good is like claiming Italians don't understand opera.

Links to these claims that French altered the history of food, globally, forever... I mean you gonna make such outrageous claims you better have some supporting evidence for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Dilettante (n.), /diləˈtänt/ One who cultivates an area of interest, such as the arts, without real commitment or knowledge.

Oh, no, zee French (Ghreeenich) pp must have found the thread and is now doing what she does best, eats cultured butter.

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Anonymous wrote:have you had a really good french onion soup?

In eastern Europe that is called soup for the poorest of the poor, definitely nothing gourmet.

Tell that to Thomas Keller.

Who is he? I mean I just had to google him, and honestly, I love food, I follow food. If I don't know about him, most Americans don't know about him and zee French cuisine.
Give me lumpia or Pho and I know it and most Americans know it.

You sound ignorant. I know who Thomas Keller is.

I find pho boring, unles you add a bunch of hoison sauce, but I am not going to make a whole thread about ti!

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Anonymous wrote:I had a cassoulet that I still sometimes think about, it was so, so good.

(If anyone knows a local place with a great cassoulet I’d appreciate the recommendation)

The one at LeRefuge in Old Town is pretty good.

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I do like Italian more.

I think the obsession with French cuisine is that it's seen as "fancier" due in large part to Versailles and pre revolutionary France.

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Tartiflette is delicious!