How hard is it to get into UMich?

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Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

Yes. They enroll 7,000 - 8,000 total for first year class. Of those, 4,000 are out of state. This may have changed but was accurate when I last looked.

You can look in the CDS to see how many apps they get.

84,000 applied
14,000 offered admission
7,000 or so enrolled
Of those enrolled, 3,300 were from out of state.

I found this data on the Michigan website by using Google.

I am surprised their yield is so low.

The yield is lower because the school gives very little merit aid. With 50% of the undergrads coming from OOS, it’s not surprising at all. Instate yield rates are close to 80%.

why do kids apply if they can't afford it? It's not like the cost of attendance is a surprise.

Because everyone hopes their kid will defy the odds and get merit, same for the other T25 schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

Yes. They enroll 7,000 - 8,000 total for first year class. Of those, 4,000 are out of state. This may have changed but was accurate when I last looked.

You can look in the CDS to see how many apps they get.

84,000 applied
14,000 offered admission
7,000 or so enrolled
Of those enrolled, 3,300 were from out of state.

I found this data on the Michigan website by using Google.

I am surprised their yield is so low.

The yield is lower because the school gives very little merit aid. With 50% of the undergrads coming from OOS, it’s not surprising at all. Instate yield rates are close to 80%.

People shouldn’t waste time applying if they can’t afford $70k a year. IMO this means their true acceptance rate is higher than 17-20% since unqualified people apply. I know people won’t agree with my take on the acceptance rate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My son told me that his number 1 choice of school is UMich. He has never even been to Michigan. I’m wondering how hard it is given that it is a HUGE school. I can see it has a 20% acceptance rate.

Class of 2021, full pay, applied ea, demonstrated interest (visit, met with AO at school, attended online events), national merit scholar, 36 ACT, 4.81 WGPA, varsity athlete, summer job with increasing responsibility from age 15, tons of volunteer hours, was deferred and then rejected.

Alls well that ends well, happy on a large merit scholarship at a different OOS flagship

That sounds like yield protection to me. My DS (HS class of 2021) had good stats but nowhere close to yours - 1590/4.4WGPA, debate type clubs, office in one of those, zero volunteer hours, travel club sport, zero summer jobs when he applied, NMSF, no hooks, Asian. We couldn't do visits during Covid but did a self-guided tour and wrote about that in his essays. UMich also recalculates GPA using their own rubric and I believe his was in the neighborhood of 3.97 or 3.98. He went from TJ (not sure if that made a difference), had a very rigorous schedule and applied EA (Engineering/CS).

I'm sure someone will come along and claim that Umich does not yield protect. I think all schools do that to some extent (including UVA and Tech) but don't admit it. They fuzzy-word the answer when asked that question depending on their official policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

Yes. They enroll 7,000 - 8,000 total for first year class. Of those, 4,000 are out of state. This may have changed but was accurate when I last looked.

You can look in the CDS to see how many apps they get.

84,000 applied
14,000 offered admission
7,000 or so enrolled
Of those enrolled, 3,300 were from out of state.

I found this data on the Michigan website by using Google.

I am surprised their yield is so low.

The yield is lower because the school gives very little merit aid. With 50% of the undergrads coming from OOS, it’s not surprising at all. Instate yield rates are close to 80%.

People shouldn’t waste time applying if they can’t afford $70k a year. IMO this means their true acceptance rate is higher than 17-20% since unqualified people apply. I know people won’t agree with my take on the acceptance rate.

Two different things, no? Ability to pay is not the same as qualified to get selected. If that logic were applied, every school in the country would have an acceptance rate that would be much higher that what is claimed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

Yes. They enroll 7,000 - 8,000 total for first year class. Of those, 4,000 are out of state. This may have changed but was accurate when I last looked.

You can look in the CDS to see how many apps they get.

84,000 applied
14,000 offered admission
7,000 or so enrolled
Of those enrolled, 3,300 were from out of state.

I found this data on the Michigan website by using Google.

I am surprised their yield is so low.

The yield is lower because the school gives very little merit aid. With 50% of the undergrads coming from OOS, it’s not surprising at all. Instate yield rates are close to 80%.

why do kids apply if they can't afford it? It's not like the cost of attendance is a surprise.

It might come down to what is the next best alternative among all the acceptances and if there ate outside scholarships. Some families can uncomfortably stretch to make it work (parent loan, reduce retirement contribution etc) but wouldn’t take that on unless the budget gap is small enough that they are comfortable doing so AND the gap in reputation/opportunity for the next next best alternative College is so big that the sacrifice is deemed worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

Yes. They enroll 7,000 - 8,000 total for first year class. Of those, 4,000 are out of state. This may have changed but was accurate when I last looked.

You can look in the CDS to see how many apps they get.

84,000 applied
14,000 offered admission
7,000 or so enrolled
Of those enrolled, 3,300 were from out of state.

I found this data on the Michigan website by using Google.

I am surprised their yield is so low.

The yield is lower because the school gives very little merit aid. With 50% of the undergrads coming from OOS, it’s not surprising at all. Instate yield rates are close to 80%.

why do kids apply if they can't afford it? It's not like the cost of attendance is a surprise.

It might come down to what is the next best alternative among all the acceptances and if there ate outside scholarships. Some families can uncomfortably stretch to make it work (parent loan, reduce retirement contribution etc) but wouldn’t take that on unless the budget gap is small enough that they are comfortable doing so AND the gap in reputation/opportunity for the next next best alternative College is so big that the sacrifice is deemed worth it.

+1 UMich's NPC predicts our family contribution at much less than 70k all in, though it's about 10k more than we want to pay. However, if kid gets into UMich and none of the privates with large endowments (which predict less tuition than UMich), we would consider stretching the budget/making sacrifices depending on quality of other admits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

Yes. They enroll 7,000 - 8,000 total for first year class. Of those, 4,000 are out of state. This may have changed but was accurate when I last looked.

You can look in the CDS to see how many apps they get.

84,000 applied
14,000 offered admission
7,000 or so enrolled
Of those enrolled, 3,300 were from out of state.

I found this data on the Michigan website by using Google.

I am surprised their yield is so low.

The yield is lower because the school gives very little merit aid. With 50% of the undergrads coming from OOS, it’s not surprising at all. Instate yield rates are close to 80%.

People shouldn’t waste time applying if they can’t afford $70k a year. IMO this means their true acceptance rate is higher than 17-20% since unqualified people apply. I know people won’t agree with my take on the acceptance rate.

You’re correct. Your “take” is silly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also depends on the major.

My high stats kid from a magnet was waitlisted for CS major. I think DS was on the verge of getting off the waitlist but DS decided he wasn't interested. Too cold, per DS.

His stats were incredibly high, but activities were just so so. I thought his essay was good, but I'm his parent. I have no idea how good his recs were.

How could you possibly know this?

they contacted us

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My son told me that his number 1 choice of school is UMich. He has never even been to Michigan. I’m wondering how hard it is given that it is a HUGE school. I can see it has a 20% acceptance rate.

Class of 2021, full pay, applied ea, demonstrated interest (visit, met with AO at school, attended online events), national merit scholar, 36 ACT, 4.81 WGPA, varsity athlete, summer job with increasing responsibility from age 15, tons of volunteer hours, was deferred and then rejected.

Alls well that ends well, happy on a large merit scholarship at a different OOS flagship

That sounds like yield protection to me. My DS (HS class of 2021) had good stats but nowhere close to yours - 1590/4.4WGPA, debate type clubs, office in one of those, zero volunteer hours, travel club sport, zero summer jobs when he applied, NMSF, no hooks, Asian. We couldn't do visits during Covid but did a self-guided tour and wrote about that in his essays. UMich also recalculates GPA using their own rubric and I believe his was in the neighborhood of 3.97 or 3.98. He went from TJ (not sure if that made a difference), had a very rigorous schedule and applied EA (Engineering/CS).

I'm sure someone will come along and claim that Umich does not yield protect. I think all schools do that to some extent (including UVA and Tech) but don't admit it. They fuzzy-word the answer when asked that question depending on their official policy.

Michigan, like all top schools in high demand, can’t take all the qualified students who apply. There are many factors that are used to determine a candidate for admission. Michigan wants diversity. Perhaps you live in an area that is well represented at the school already. Or perhaps his essays weren’t compelling. Who knows? Michigan doesn’t offer ED like UVA and others. ED is the definition of yield protection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son told me that his number 1 choice of school is UMich. He has never even been to Michigan. I’m wondering how hard it is given that it is a HUGE school. I can see it has a 20% acceptance rate.

Class of 2021, full pay, applied ea, demonstrated interest (visit, met with AO at school, attended online events), national merit scholar, 36 ACT, 4.81 WGPA, varsity athlete, summer job with increasing responsibility from age 15, tons of volunteer hours, was deferred and then rejected.

Alls well that ends well, happy on a large merit scholarship at a different OOS flagship

That sounds like yield protection to me. My DS (HS class of 2021) had good stats but nowhere close to yours - 1590/4.4WGPA, debate type clubs, office in one of those, zero volunteer hours, travel club sport, zero summer jobs when he applied, NMSF, no hooks, Asian. We couldn't do visits during Covid but did a self-guided tour and wrote about that in his essays. UMich also recalculates GPA using their own rubric and I believe his was in the neighborhood of 3.97 or 3.98. He went from TJ (not sure if that made a difference), had a very rigorous schedule and applied EA (Engineering/CS).

I'm sure someone will come along and claim that Umich does not yield protect. I think all schools do that to some extent (including UVA and Tech) but don't admit it. They fuzzy-word the answer when asked that question depending on their official policy.

Michigan, like all top schools in high demand, can’t take all the qualified students who apply. There are many factors that are used to determine a candidate for admission. Michigan wants diversity. Perhaps you live in an area that is well represented at the school already. Or perhaps his essays weren’t compelling. Who knows? Michigan doesn’t offer ED like UVA and others. ED is the definition of yield protection.

I think her kid got in.

[Anonymous]

My DS got into LSA of UMich with 1570/4.5 GPA, avg ECs but didn't choose to go as CS major isn't guaranteed and is more expensive.

He's happy elsewhere OOS public, but I still wonder why in-state schools UVA and VTech put him waitlised.

[Anonymous]

Congratulations! Michigan is a great school, better than UVA and VTech for most engineering majors if the OOS tuition is not a big deal to you.

My kid was lucky to get into UVA with similar stats with a 20K scholarship. Nowadays, admission everywhere is simply a lottery.

Anonymous wrote:My DS got into LSA of UMich with 1570/4.5 GPA, avg ECs but didn't choose to go as CS major isn't guaranteed and is more expensive.

He's happy elsewhere OOS public, but I still wonder why in-state schools UVA and VTech put him waitlised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of the people we know who went got their kids in..so there's that.

Ditto.
I know two meh students who were accepted this year. Both OOS. Neither had ECs.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the people we know who went got their kids in..so there's that.

Ditto.
I know two meh students who were accepted this year. Both OOS. Neither had ECs.

Good for them attending a superior school.

[Anonymous]

Not that hard in state.