How hard is it to get into UMich?

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Anonymous wrote:My son told me that his number 1 choice of school is UMich. He has never even been to Michigan. I’m wondering how hard it is given that it is a HUGE school. I can see it has a 20% acceptance rate.

If your son out of state? Try 8%.

They only take 4,000 or so out of state students.

I have a kid at Michigan. He got into several of his top choices (including UVA) but ultimately picked Michigan. I believe OOS admit rates are closer to 20% overall. Not surprising given the size of the school. Engineering and Ross are much lower given their profile (don't know specifics). They do aim to admit 50% out of state.

Standards are quite high. They don't give you AP credit unless you scored a 5, for example. It's also an expensive school. I suspect they use all the funds (OOS tuition and endowments) towards some equity BS so don't apply hoping for merit aid unless you fit some demographic profile (that I'm unaware of). While opportunities for research, internships and work are plenty, the school doesn't care whether you get them or not. It's upto the kid and it's quite competitive.

The overall admit rate is about 20%. That’s means the OOS admit rates are much lower than that.

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Anonymous wrote:My son told me that his number 1 choice of school is UMich. He has never even been to Michigan. I’m wondering how hard it is given that it is a HUGE school. I can see it has a 20% acceptance rate.

Class of 2021, full pay, applied ea, demonstrated interest (visit, met with AO at school, attended online events), national merit scholar, 36 ACT, 4.81 WGPA, varsity athlete, summer job with increasing responsibility from age 15, tons of volunteer hours, was deferred and then rejected.

Alls well that ends well, happy on a large merit scholarship at a different OOS flagship

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son told me that his number 1 choice of school is UMich. He has never even been to Michigan. I’m wondering how hard it is given that it is a HUGE school. I can see it has a 20% acceptance rate.

Class of 2021, full pay, applied ea, demonstrated interest (visit, met with AO at school, attended online events), national merit scholar, 36 ACT, 4.81 WGPA, varsity athlete, summer job with increasing responsibility from age 15, tons of volunteer hours, was deferred and then rejected.

Alls well that ends well, happy on a large merit scholarship at a different OOS flagship

God Lord. I am so sorry!

[Anonymous]

Apply to a less competitive major - strategize

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Anonymous wrote:Apply to a less competitive major - strategize

At some point it’s just not worth it. Go to a different with the major you want.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

Yes. They enroll 7,000 - 8,000 total for first year class. Of those, 4,000 are out of state. This may have changed but was accurate when I last looked.

You can look in the CDS to see how many apps they get.

84,000 applied
14,000 offered admission
7,000 or so enrolled
Of those enrolled, 3,300 were from out of state.

I found this data on the Michigan website by using Google.

I am surprised their yield is so low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

Yes. They enroll 7,000 - 8,000 total for first year class. Of those, 4,000 are out of state. This may have changed but was accurate when I last looked.

You can look in the CDS to see how many apps they get.

84,000 applied
14,000 offered admission
7,000 or so enrolled
Of those enrolled, 3,300 were from out of state.

I found this data on the Michigan website by using Google.

I am surprised their yield is so low.

The yield is lower because the school gives very little merit aid. With 50% of the undergrads coming from OOS, it’s not surprising at all. Instate yield rates are close to 80%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

Yes. They enroll 7,000 - 8,000 total for first year class. Of those, 4,000 are out of state. This may have changed but was accurate when I last looked.

You can look in the CDS to see how many apps they get.

84,000 applied
14,000 offered admission
7,000 or so enrolled
Of those enrolled, 3,300 were from out of state.

I found this data on the Michigan website by using Google.

I am surprised their yield is so low.

The yield is lower because the school gives very little merit aid. With 50% of the undergrads coming from OOS, it’s not surprising at all. Instate yield rates are close to 80%.

why do kids apply if they can't afford it? It's not like the cost of attendance is a surprise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

Yes. They enroll 7,000 - 8,000 total for first year class. Of those, 4,000 are out of state. This may have changed but was accurate when I last looked.

You can look in the CDS to see how many apps they get.

84,000 applied
14,000 offered admission
7,000 or so enrolled
Of those enrolled, 3,300 were from out of state.

I found this data on the Michigan website by using Google.

I am surprised their yield is so low.

And only 20,000 of those 84,000 are in state applicants.

So 4,000 out of 20,000 in state, ~20%
and 4,000 out of 64,000 out of state, ~6%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

They’re required by the state legislature to be 50% in-state, so they cut it as close as they can. If they didn’t have the requirement, I’m sure it would be over 50% out of state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

Yes. They enroll 7,000 - 8,000 total for first year class. Of those, 4,000 are out of state. This may have changed but was accurate when I last looked.

You can look in the CDS to see how many apps they get.

84,000 applied
14,000 offered admission
7,000 or so enrolled
Of those enrolled, 3,300 were from out of state.

I found this data on the Michigan website by using Google.

I am surprised their yield is so low.

In-state yield is very high. OOS is pretty low, it’s an expensive public that’s hard to get into. Most we know from the area who attend have someone in their family who attended - thus they accepted the offer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

Yes. They enroll 7,000 - 8,000 total for first year class. Of those, 4,000 are out of state. This may have changed but was accurate when I last looked.

You can look in the CDS to see how many apps they get.

84,000 applied
14,000 offered admission
7,000 or so enrolled
Of those enrolled, 3,300 were from out of state.

I found this data on the Michigan website by using Google.

I am surprised their yield is so low.

The yield is lower because the school gives very little merit aid. With 50% of the undergrads coming from OOS, it’s not surprising at all. Instate yield rates are close to 80%.

why do kids apply if they can't afford it? It's not like the cost of attendance is a surprise.

It’s wanting to attend a school that provides the entire collegiate experience and hoping they can make it happen. Most will not be able to of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

Yes. They enroll 7,000 - 8,000 total for first year class. Of those, 4,000 are out of state. This may have changed but was accurate when I last looked.

You can look in the CDS to see how many apps they get.

84,000 applied
14,000 offered admission
7,000 or so enrolled
Of those enrolled, 3,300 were from out of state.

I found this data on the Michigan website by using Google.

I am surprised their yield is so low.

The yield is lower because the school gives very little merit aid. With 50% of the undergrads coming from OOS, it’s not surprising at all. Instate yield rates are close to 80%.

why do kids apply if they can't afford it? It's not like the cost of attendance is a surprise.

Because everyone hopes their kid will defy the odds and get merit, same for the other T30 schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

Yes. They enroll 7,000 - 8,000 total for first year class. Of those, 4,000 are out of state. This may have changed but was accurate when I last looked.

You can look in the CDS to see how many apps they get.

84,000 applied
14,000 offered admission
7,000 or so enrolled
Of those enrolled, 3,300 were from out of state.

I found this data on the Michigan website by using Google.

I am surprised their yield is so low.

And only 20,000 of those 84,000 are in state applicants.

So 4,000 out of 20,000 in state, ~20%
and 4,000 out of 64,000 out of state, ~6%

Finally some math based on actual, recent data. Op, ignore all the anecdotes this is what is relevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify, you mean they aim to have an undergraduate student body that is about 50% out of state, right?

They’re required by the state legislature to be 50% in-state, so they cut it as close as they can. If they didn’t have the requirement, I’m sure it would be over 50% out of state.

There is no state mandate that Michigan has to be at least 50% instate. The university just keeps it that way.