How do you determine safety/ targets for your kid?

[Anonymous]

Huh? The 2023 list has multiple students attending T20 schools - looks like every "elite" school is represented. Where's the struggle? Those kids seem to have fared just fine.

[Anonymous]

But did you find the GPA breakdown?? Basically you needed to be in the top 15% of the class or basically no chance for a T20 if unhooked.

[Anonymous]

For example, 7 admissions to Duke out of 74 applications, and every single one of those 7 was in the highest GPA category of 4.3+. Again, recruited athletes and legacy kids were eliminated from this analysis to show how unhooked kids did. Applications were broken down into 8 GPA categories with 4.3+ being the highest category.

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Anonymous wrote:Naviance/Scoir was not a good predictor for my high stats DC in 2023. Safeties worked out but target not at all. Many Schools changed things up last year.

What did schools change last year?

UVA changed significantly in ED/EA/RD admissions in Big 3 schools for unhooked high stats OOS. The rejections and WL we know of were vastly out of line with the past.

Tulane suddenly decided (at ED announcement time!) to inform everyone they were cutting back on how many ED acceptances they would give out. It would have been nice if they let kids know this BEFORE they applied ED.

And generally, most T30 schools were harder than in the past for ED/EA for unhooked DC private students we know. It was almost as if they decided to push back on any advantage a full pay student might be trying to get. (I don't have a problem with this in theory, but it would help to know of this shift in advance. And it was yet another change to add to the mix in 23 after changes in 20-22 from COVID, Test Optional, Surge in applicants)

I agree with the PP up thread, who stated that these tools are misleading without knowing hooks - especially at Big 3 with many hooked classmates. I wouldn't go as far as saying they are useless - but any Big 3 unhooked student needs to think carefully about what their targets truly are. Your hooked classmates will get those spots (even if grades/tests/rigor are lower). And, I don't mean HYPSM - this includes schools like Emory, USC, Tufts, U Cal schools, small liberal arts colleges.

Some exceptions:
Chicago ED still seemed in play for strong students.
Tufts ED from GDS looked strong (not at SFS though)
NYU, Georgetown acted somewhat typically based on past Naviance/SCOIR.

Your problem is you think Emory and USC are targets for your unimpressive children. If Emory was a target for your child they would get a hefty scholarship, full tuition at the minimum.

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Anonymous wrote:CollegeVine has been accurate this year for my DD.

Has your kid gotten into any schools where it indicates they have a 20 to 30% chance of getting in?

I’d like to know this too

Agree. What does it mean to say that CollegeVine was accurate? If chances were 60% and the applicant was admitted, does that mean it was correct? What if chances were 50% and the applicant was not admitted? Was CollegeVine wrong in that case?

NP. I think CV was accurate for my kid too from HS class '23.

"Accurate" meaning:
Reaches: two rejections
Hard Target: two WL and an acceptance
Target and Safety: seven acceptances

For those who have used CollegeVine, and whose students attend schools that do not weight GPA, did you weight the GPA yourself based on your student's rigor before entering it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But did you find the GPA breakdown?? Basically you needed to be in the top 15% of the class or basically no chance for a T20 if unhooked.

Doesn't seem that unreasonable. There are roughly 2600 4 year colleges in the US. So the T20 represent less than the top 1% of schools.

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Anonymous wrote:CollegeVine has been accurate this year for my DD.

Has your kid gotten into any schools where it indicates they have a 20 to 30% chance of getting in?

I’d like to know this too

Agree. What does it mean to say that CollegeVine was accurate? If chances were 60% and the applicant was admitted, does that mean it was correct? What if chances were 50% and the applicant was not admitted? Was CollegeVine wrong in that case?

NP. I think CV was accurate for my kid too from HS class '23.

"Accurate" meaning:
Reaches: two rejections
Hard Target: two WL and an acceptance
Target and Safety: seven acceptances

For those who have used CollegeVine, and whose students attend schools that do not weight GPA, did you weight the GPA yourself based on your student's rigor before entering it?

Collegevine doesn't use weighted GPAs, so there is no need to weigh yourself. Also, it asks for rigor info, ie., the number of honors, advanced, AP/IB classes taken vs what your child's school offers.

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Does college vine cost anything to access?

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Anonymous wrote:CollegeVine has been accurate this year for my DD.

Has your kid gotten into any schools where it indicates they have a 20 to 30% chance of getting in?

I’d like to know this too

Agree. What does it mean to say that CollegeVine was accurate? If chances were 60% and the applicant was admitted, does that mean it was correct? What if chances were 50% and the applicant was not admitted? Was CollegeVine wrong in that case?

NP. I think CV was accurate for my kid too from HS class '23.

"Accurate" meaning:
Reaches: two rejections
Hard Target: two WL and an acceptance
Target and Safety: seven acceptances

For those who have used CollegeVine, and whose students attend schools that do not weight GPA, did you weight the GPA yourself based on your student's rigor before entering it?

Collegevine doesn't use weighted GPAs, so there is no need to weigh yourself. Also, it asks for rigor info, ie., the number of honors, advanced, AP/IB classes taken vs what your child's school offers.

Has not been accurate for most private school kids we know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does college vine cost anything to access?

No, but you will need to establish an account.

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Anonymous wrote:CollegeVine has been accurate this year for my DD.

Has your kid gotten into any schools where it indicates they have a 20 to 30% chance of getting in?

I’d like to know this too

Agree. What does it mean to say that CollegeVine was accurate? If chances were 60% and the applicant was admitted, does that mean it was correct? What if chances were 50% and the applicant was not admitted? Was CollegeVine wrong in that case?

NP. I think CV was accurate for my kid too from HS class '23.

"Accurate" meaning:
Reaches: two rejections
Hard Target: two WL and an acceptance
Target and Safety: seven acceptances

For those who have used CollegeVine, and whose students attend schools that do not weight GPA, did you weight the GPA yourself based on your student's rigor before entering it?

Collegevine doesn't use weighted GPAs, so there is no need to weigh yourself. Also, it asks for rigor info, ie., the number of honors, advanced, AP/IB classes taken vs what your child's school offers.

Has not been accurate for most private school kids we know.

In what way? Does it suggest schools are targets/safeties and then the students are not admitted? Or does it suggest schools are reaches and students are admitted to all those schools?

[Anonymous]

I think there is value in paying a private college counselor to help with forming a good list. Really does save time and frustration.