What Would It Take For Notre Dame Football To Join The Big Ten or The SEC ?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Where do BCC and Syracuse land? Does the Big 12 really take Pitt and Louisville? Does the Big10 actually want UVA and UNC? Does the SEC actually want VT? I think Miami and GT are the best positioned and that FSU and Clemson think they are well positioned. Assuming that UNC is sure about the Big10 offer, that's 5 that have a definite landing spot that is an upgrade (or at least believe that they have one).

I think the B1G would take:
UVA
UNC
Ga Tech
Miami

The SEC would take:
Clemson
FSU
VaTech
NC St(?)

Leaving:
BC
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Louisville
Pitt

The Big 12 would surely take some, but I imagine BC, Duke, and WF would be the most vulnerable to not having a seat.

But 13 more years of the majority of the ACC not making what they could get in the SEC/B1G seems untenable.

That's 6 schools that are definitely vulnerable. I think NC State, VT and UVA should fall into that camp as well. They are not as vulnerable, but there are no guarantees either. I also think Clemson is being either naive; the only time that the SEC has let in a school in the same state as a current member is Texas and Texas is a much bigger market then South Carolina. Regardless, taking your 6 plus some combination of NCST, VT, and UVA is enough votes to keep the ACC together for football.

This is the point of my post above. There is no way out of the rights contract. It is iron clad. They can look all they want and they can try to sue to break out but there is no basis. Indeed suing to break out is a violation of the agreement that would leave them open to damages if they lost.

The only way out is for all of the schools to agree. You need all of them. You can try to buy schools out. 100 million to Pitt over four years. You could help them try to get to a second tier but good conference by grouping what was left. But Duke and BC don't need the money and they want a top tier conference. You would have to buy them off with a Big10 or SEC slot. Otherwise ACC is stuck as it is.

Gotcha. I though you were talking about having enough votes to break the GoR. I've always read that if the ACC dissolves, the GoR dissolves with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Where do BCC and Syracuse land? Does the Big 12 really take Pitt and Louisville? Does the Big10 actually want UVA and UNC? Does the SEC actually want VT? I think Miami and GT are the best positioned and that FSU and Clemson think they are well positioned. Assuming that UNC is sure about the Big10 offer, that's 5 that have a definite landing spot that is an upgrade (or at least believe that they have one).

I think the B1G would take:
UVA
UNC
Ga Tech
Miami

The SEC would take:
Clemson
FSU
VaTech
NC St(?)

Leaving:
BC
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Louisville
Pitt

The Big 12 would surely take some, but I imagine BC, Duke, and WF would be the most vulnerable to not having a seat.

But 13 more years of the majority of the ACC not making what they could get in the SEC/B1G seems untenable.

VT and Virginia are probably a package deal either for SEC or Big10. Unlikely the state would allow them to split. Same with C and NC State.

Clemson is in same state as USC but no doubt SEC takes them. Remember -- when this is done the SEC and Big 10 will be national not regional.

Above you list six people with no home --- what do you do to get them to end the rights deal?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Where do BCC and Syracuse land? Does the Big 12 really take Pitt and Louisville? Does the Big10 actually want UVA and UNC? Does the SEC actually want VT? I think Miami and GT are the best positioned and that FSU and Clemson think they are well positioned. Assuming that UNC is sure about the Big10 offer, that's 5 that have a definite landing spot that is an upgrade (or at least believe that they have one).

I think the B1G would take:
UVA
UNC
Ga Tech
Miami

The SEC would take:
Clemson
FSU
VaTech
NC St(?)

Leaving:
BC
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Louisville
Pitt

The Big 12 would surely take some, but I imagine BC, Duke, and WF would be the most vulnerable to not having a seat.

But 13 more years of the majority of the ACC not making what they could get in the SEC/B1G seems untenable.

That's 6 schools that are definitely vulnerable. I think NC State, VT and UVA should fall into that camp as well. They are not as vulnerable, but there are no guarantees either. I also think Clemson is being either naive; the only time that the SEC has let in a school in the same state as a current member is Texas and Texas is a much bigger market then South Carolina. Regardless, taking your 6 plus some combination of NCST, VT, and UVA is enough votes to keep the ACC together for football.

This is the point of my post above. There is no way out of the rights contract. It is iron clad. They can look all they want and they can try to sue to break out but there is no basis. Indeed suing to break out is a violation of the agreement that would leave them open to damages if they lost.

The only way out is for all of the schools to agree. You need all of them. You can try to buy schools out. 100 million to Pitt over four years. You could help them try to get to a second tier but good conference by grouping what was left. But Duke and BC don't need the money and they want a top tier conference. You would have to buy them off with a Big10 or SEC slot. Otherwise ACC is stuck as it is.

Gotcha. I though you were talking about having enough votes to break the GoR. I've always read that if the ACC dissolves, the GoR dissolves with it.

Agree but it will take all 14 votes to do it. ND Does not have a vote in the rights deal.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Where do BCC and Syracuse land? Does the Big 12 really take Pitt and Louisville? Does the Big10 actually want UVA and UNC? Does the SEC actually want VT? I think Miami and GT are the best positioned and that FSU and Clemson think they are well positioned. Assuming that UNC is sure about the Big10 offer, that's 5 that have a definite landing spot that is an upgrade (or at least believe that they have one).

I think the B1G would take:
UVA
UNC
Ga Tech
Miami

The SEC would take:
Clemson
FSU
VaTech
NC St(?)

Leaving:
BC
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Louisville
Pitt

The Big 12 would surely take some, but I imagine BC, Duke, and WF would be the most vulnerable to not having a seat.

But 13 more years of the majority of the ACC not making what they could get in the SEC/B1G seems untenable.

VT and Virginia are probably a package deal either for SEC or Big10. Unlikely the state would allow them to split. Same with C and NC State.

Clemson is in same state as USC but no doubt SEC takes them. Remember -- when this is done the SEC and Big 10 will be national not regional.

Above you list six people with no home --- what do you do to get them to end the rights deal?

Offer them an amount of money that makes it attractive to agree to dissolve the ACC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Notre Dame isn't part of the grant of rights.

That certainly helps if true. However, Notre Dame did agree that if Notre Dame football joins a conference that the conference must be the ACC. Legally there should be a way out for Notre Dame (might violate antitrust laws, for example).

Notre Dame has nothing to do with the ACC tv deal. Notre Dame gets paid a lot of money by NBC to have their games air on NBC. That TV contract not the ACC gor is the impediment to Notre Dame joining the Big 10

The NBC / Notre Dame TV deal is not an impediment as it expires soon (expires "after 2024").

The impediment for Notre Dame is Notre Dame's promise to join the ACC if its football team joins a conference.

It's important if the Big 10 can't offer ND more than NBC

You must be kidding. The Big Ten will pay Notre Dame about double the NBC & ACC payouts per year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Where do BCC and Syracuse land? Does the Big 12 really take Pitt and Louisville? Does the Big10 actually want UVA and UNC? Does the SEC actually want VT? I think Miami and GT are the best positioned and that FSU and Clemson think they are well positioned. Assuming that UNC is sure about the Big10 offer, that's 5 that have a definite landing spot that is an upgrade (or at least believe that they have one).

I think the B1G would take:
UVA
UNC
Ga Tech
Miami

The SEC would take:
Clemson
FSU
VaTech
NC St(?)

Leaving:
BC
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Louisville
Pitt

The Big 12 would surely take some, but I imagine BC, Duke, and WF would be the most vulnerable to not having a seat.

But 13 more years of the majority of the ACC not making what they could get in the SEC/B1G seems untenable.

VT and Virginia are probably a package deal either for SEC or Big10. Unlikely the state would allow them to split. Same with C and NC State.

Clemson is in same state as USC but no doubt SEC takes them. Remember -- when this is done the SEC and Big 10 will be national not regional.

Above you list six people with no home --- what do you do to get them to end the rights deal?

Offer them an amount of money that makes it attractive to agree to dissolve the ACC.

ACC schools get about $17 million per year through 2036. The Sun Belt's deal pays 500k a year. If I'm Duke, it's taking a lot more than $100 million to get me to agree to dissolve the conference.

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It helps to understand that football has little to do with football; it's all about the money.

And, yes, independence has a price.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Where do BCC and Syracuse land? Does the Big 12 really take Pitt and Louisville? Does the Big10 actually want UVA and UNC? Does the SEC actually want VT? I think Miami and GT are the best positioned and that FSU and Clemson think they are well positioned. Assuming that UNC is sure about the Big10 offer, that's 5 that have a definite landing spot that is an upgrade (or at least believe that they have one).

I think the B1G would take:
UVA
UNC
Ga Tech
Miami

The SEC would take:
Clemson
FSU
VaTech
NC St(?)

Leaving:
BC
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Louisville
Pitt

The Big 12 would surely take some, but I imagine BC, Duke, and WF would be the most vulnerable to not having a seat.

But 13 more years of the majority of the ACC not making what they could get in the SEC/B1G seems untenable.

VT and Virginia are probably a package deal either for SEC or Big10. Unlikely the state would allow them to split. Same with C and NC State.

Clemson is in same state as USC but no doubt SEC takes them. Remember -- when this is done the SEC and Big 10 will be national not regional.

Above you list six people with no home --- what do you do to get them to end the rights deal?

Offer them an amount of money that makes it attractive to agree to dissolve the ACC.

ACC schools get about $17 million per year through 2036. The Sun Belt's deal pays 500k a year. If I'm Duke, it's taking a lot more than $100 million to get me to agree to dissolve the conference.

If the ACC only paid member schools $17 million per year, there would be no ACC.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Notre Dame isn't part of the grant of rights.

That certainly helps if true. However, Notre Dame did agree that if Notre Dame football joins a conference that the conference must be the ACC. Legally there should be a way out for Notre Dame (might violate antitrust laws, for example).

Notre Dame has nothing to do with the ACC tv deal. Notre Dame gets paid a lot of money by NBC to have their games air on NBC. That TV contract not the ACC gor is the impediment to Notre Dame joining the Big 10

The NBC / Notre Dame TV deal is not an impediment as it expires soon (expires "after 2024").

The impediment for Notre Dame is Notre Dame's promise to join the ACC if its football team joins a conference.

It's important if the Big 10 can't offer ND more than NBC

You must be kidding. The Big Ten will pay Notre Dame about double the NBC & ACC payouts per year.

Will they? The big10 deal is $8 billion over 7 years, so 1.14 a year divided by 16 current schools is $71 million per year. ND is expected to get $60 million a year on it's own. the Big10 is more, but is it enough to give up autonomy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Where do BCC and Syracuse land? Does the Big 12 really take Pitt and Louisville? Does the Big10 actually want UVA and UNC? Does the SEC actually want VT? I think Miami and GT are the best positioned and that FSU and Clemson think they are well positioned. Assuming that UNC is sure about the Big10 offer, that's 5 that have a definite landing spot that is an upgrade (or at least believe that they have one).

I think the B1G would take:
UVA
UNC
Ga Tech
Miami

The SEC would take:
Clemson
FSU
VaTech
NC St(?)

Leaving:
BC
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Louisville
Pitt

The Big 12 would surely take some, but I imagine BC, Duke, and WF would be the most vulnerable to not having a seat.

But 13 more years of the majority of the ACC not making what they could get in the SEC/B1G seems untenable.

VT and Virginia are probably a package deal either for SEC or Big10. Unlikely the state would allow them to split. Same with C and NC State.

Clemson is in same state as USC but no doubt SEC takes them. Remember -- when this is done the SEC and Big 10 will be national not regional.

Above you list six people with no home --- what do you do to get them to end the rights deal?

Offer them an amount of money that makes it attractive to agree to dissolve the ACC.

ACC schools get about $17 million per year through 2036. The Sun Belt's deal pays 500k a year. If I'm Duke, it's taking a lot more than $100 million to get me to agree to dissolve the conference.

If the ACC only paid member schools $17 million per year, there would be no ACC.

https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-deals-current-status-college-football/

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Where do BCC and Syracuse land? Does the Big 12 really take Pitt and Louisville? Does the Big10 actually want UVA and UNC? Does the SEC actually want VT? I think Miami and GT are the best positioned and that FSU and Clemson think they are well positioned. Assuming that UNC is sure about the Big10 offer, that's 5 that have a definite landing spot that is an upgrade (or at least believe that they have one).

I think the B1G would take:
UVA
UNC
Ga Tech
Miami

The SEC would take:
Clemson
FSU
VaTech
NC St(?)

Leaving:
BC
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Louisville
Pitt

The Big 12 would surely take some, but I imagine BC, Duke, and WF would be the most vulnerable to not having a seat.

But 13 more years of the majority of the ACC not making what they could get in the SEC/B1G seems untenable.

VT and Virginia are probably a package deal either for SEC or Big10. Unlikely the state would allow them to split. Same with C and NC State.

Clemson is in same state as USC but no doubt SEC takes them. Remember -- when this is done the SEC and Big 10 will be national not regional.

Above you list six people with no home --- what do you do to get them to end the rights deal?

Offer them an amount of money that makes it attractive to agree to dissolve the ACC.

ACC schools get about $17 million per year through 2036. The Sun Belt's deal pays 500k a year. If I'm Duke, it's taking a lot more than $100 million to get me to agree to dissolve the conference.

In 2019, each member of the Sunbelt Conference received about $18 million, not $500,000.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Notre Dame isn't part of the grant of rights.

That certainly helps if true. However, Notre Dame did agree that if Notre Dame football joins a conference that the conference must be the ACC. Legally there should be a way out for Notre Dame (might violate antitrust laws, for example).

Notre Dame has nothing to do with the ACC tv deal. Notre Dame gets paid a lot of money by NBC to have their games air on NBC. That TV contract not the ACC gor is the impediment to Notre Dame joining the Big 10

The NBC / Notre Dame TV deal is not an impediment as it expires soon (expires "after 2024").

The impediment for Notre Dame is Notre Dame's promise to join the ACC if its football team joins a conference.

It's important if the Big 10 can't offer ND more than NBC

You must be kidding. The Big Ten will pay Notre Dame about double the NBC & ACC payouts per year.

Will they? The big10 deal is $8 billion over 7 years, so 1.14 a year divided by 16 current schools is $71 million per year. ND is expected to get $60 million a year on it's own. the Big10 is more, but is it enough to give up autonomy?

Notre Dame will be lucky to get a raise from about $22 million a year to $60 million a year--especially since viewership of the Notre Dame home games has decreased since the last contract was negotiated. But, anything is possible. Reports are that Notre Dame wants $65 million to $75 million from NBC. If Notre Dame can get $60 million a year from NBC and $10 or $12 million a year from the ACC, then it would be easy to understand why ND would remain as an independent.

TV rights are just one source out of many for college football teams. Research total conference payout per team, not just TV media rights payouts.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Where do BCC and Syracuse land? Does the Big 12 really take Pitt and Louisville? Does the Big10 actually want UVA and UNC? Does the SEC actually want VT? I think Miami and GT are the best positioned and that FSU and Clemson think they are well positioned. Assuming that UNC is sure about the Big10 offer, that's 5 that have a definite landing spot that is an upgrade (or at least believe that they have one).

I think the B1G would take:
UVA
UNC
Ga Tech
Miami

The SEC would take:
Clemson
FSU
VaTech
NC St(?)

Leaving:
BC
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Louisville
Pitt

The Big 12 would surely take some, but I imagine BC, Duke, and WF would be the most vulnerable to not having a seat.

But 13 more years of the majority of the ACC not making what they could get in the SEC/B1G seems untenable.

VT and Virginia are probably a package deal either for SEC or Big10. Unlikely the state would allow them to split. Same with C and NC State.

Clemson is in same state as USC but no doubt SEC takes them. Remember -- when this is done the SEC and Big 10 will be national not regional.

Above you list six people with no home --- what do you do to get them to end the rights deal?

Offer them an amount of money that makes it attractive to agree to dissolve the ACC.

ACC schools get about $17 million per year through 2036. The Sun Belt's deal pays 500k a year. If I'm Duke, it's taking a lot more than $100 million to get me to agree to dissolve the conference.

For some of the colleges $100 million may do it. They will not get zero in the new conference and in any event when the rights deal expires they will be nowhere. But Duke and BC don't care about the money -- Wake also to a slightly lesser extent. Duke and BC can't be bought with money.

I guess what I am saying is Duke and BC to SEC and/or Big10 or the rights deal stays in place. All of the other misfits likely can be paid and move.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Where do BCC and Syracuse land? Does the Big 12 really take Pitt and Louisville? Does the Big10 actually want UVA and UNC? Does the SEC actually want VT? I think Miami and GT are the best positioned and that FSU and Clemson think they are well positioned. Assuming that UNC is sure about the Big10 offer, that's 5 that have a definite landing spot that is an upgrade (or at least believe that they have one).

I think the B1G would take:
UVA
UNC
Ga Tech
Miami

The SEC would take:
Clemson
FSU
VaTech
NC St(?)

Leaving:
BC
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Louisville
Pitt

The Big 12 would surely take some, but I imagine BC, Duke, and WF would be the most vulnerable to not having a seat.

But 13 more years of the majority of the ACC not making what they could get in the SEC/B1G seems untenable.

VT and Virginia are probably a package deal either for SEC or Big10. Unlikely the state would allow them to split. Same with C and NC State.

Clemson is in same state as USC but no doubt SEC takes them. Remember -- when this is done the SEC and Big 10 will be national not regional.

Above you list six people with no home --- what do you do to get them to end the rights deal?

Offer them an amount of money that makes it attractive to agree to dissolve the ACC.

ACC schools get about $17 million per year through 2036. The Sun Belt's deal pays 500k a year. If I'm Duke, it's taking a lot more than $100 million to get me to agree to dissolve the conference.

For some of the colleges $100 million may do it. They will not get zero in the new conference and in any event when the rights deal expires they will be nowhere. But Duke and BC don't care about the money -- Wake also to a slightly lesser extent. Duke and BC can't be bought with money.

I guess what I am saying is Duke and BC to SEC and/or Big10 or the rights deal stays in place. All of the other misfits likely can be paid and move.

You are wrong on both of the highlighted points.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Where do BCC and Syracuse land? Does the Big 12 really take Pitt and Louisville? Does the Big10 actually want UVA and UNC? Does the SEC actually want VT? I think Miami and GT are the best positioned and that FSU and Clemson think they are well positioned. Assuming that UNC is sure about the Big10 offer, that's 5 that have a definite landing spot that is an upgrade (or at least believe that they have one).

I think the B1G would take:
UVA
UNC
Ga Tech
Miami

The SEC would take:
Clemson
FSU
VaTech
NC St(?)

Leaving:
BC
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Louisville
Pitt

The Big 12 would surely take some, but I imagine BC, Duke, and WF would be the most vulnerable to not having a seat.

But 13 more years of the majority of the ACC not making what they could get in the SEC/B1G seems untenable.

VT and Virginia are probably a package deal either for SEC or Big10. Unlikely the state would allow them to split. Same with C and NC State.

Clemson is in same state as USC but no doubt SEC takes them. Remember -- when this is done the SEC and Big 10 will be national not regional.

Above you list six people with no home --- what do you do to get them to end the rights deal?

Offer them an amount of money that makes it attractive to agree to dissolve the ACC.

ACC schools get about $17 million per year through 2036. The Sun Belt's deal pays 500k a year. If I'm Duke, it's taking a lot more than $100 million to get me to agree to dissolve the conference.

For some of the colleges $100 million may do it. They will not get zero in the new conference and in any event when the rights deal expires they will be nowhere. But Duke and BC don't care about the money -- Wake also to a slightly lesser extent. Duke and BC can't be bought with money.

I guess what I am saying is Duke and BC to SEC and/or Big10 or the rights deal stays in place. All of the other misfits likely can be paid and move.

You are wrong on both of the highlighted points.

Why? Both schools have boat loads of cash are only really care about playing in a top conference. But not caring about the money I mean they would not care about $100 million over four years to be bought off.