Sports and religion

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Anonymous wrote:The US Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3 on Monday that a high school coach’s post-game prayers on a football field were in-bounds.

Joseph Kennedy’s prayers are protected by the First Amendment’s right to free speech and free exercise of religion, the court decided. The coach didn’t coerce any Bremerton, Washington, high school players into praying, so the school district was wrong to try to stop him from practicing his Christian faith.

“The Constitution neither mandates nor tolerates that kind of discrimination,” Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote for the conservative majority, citing a 1992 precedent. “Learning how to tolerate speech or prayer of all kinds is part of learning how to live in a pluralistic society,’ a trait of character essential to ‘a tolerant citizenry.’”

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/april/praying-coach-scotus-kennedy-bremerton-schools.html

Atheists and anti-theists posting here are not able to be tolerant citizens. Go figure. It’s always the people who claim to be the most tolerant and accepting that are the least tolerant and accepting.

Christians have the right to pray in public. People who don’t believe in religion and prayer don’t have to pray, or be religious. Op, and others who wish they could take away this right-it’s not going to happen in our free society. You may wish to live in a country that limits freedom of speech and religion. You are out of luck in that regard in America.

As atheist troll above states- just don’t move your lips when a gang of praying Christians physically assault you by forcibly pulling you into a group prayer. God won’t hear your prayer if your lips don’t move. Also they can only see you if you move, so stand still and they can’t see you. Wear earth tones to blend into nature so you can flee if necessary and take refuge among the trees. Work on your cardio so if the praying Christians give chase, your endurance can outlast them. /s

People in the position of power do not have the right to infringe on other people’s right to religion by making them feel compelled to pray a religion they doing believe it.

The second a coach is praying to Allah with the team is the moment the SCOTUS will change their ruling.

SCOTUS has the right and duty.

No one is being forced to pray or be religious. SCOTUS is affirming the right Americans have to be religious and pray. You just don’t like it.

You can keep trying to push bigotry and hatred against Muslims as a little treat- but you are talking out your rear end.

Students and players are forced to pray or compelled. Both violate the right to religion.

Even Kavanaugh stated that in his statement.

You would be okay if your child’s coach had them pray to Allah before/after a game?

You are a lying troll who hates freedom.

You hate religious people and especially Catholics; you hate SCOTUS.

Nobody is forcing anyone to pray. Still lips troll disappeared.

This doesn't have anything to do with Christianity you know.

And I'm not sure I don't hate the SCOTUS too. Looks like the dragged in a bunch of second-tier types in just to pay off their political pals.

Just keep your lips still and no prayer can hurt you. Muslim, Jewish, Christian- still lips will keep those prayers away from u and they can’t hurt u. U will be fine.

So you agree that players are compelled to at least fake it.

You’d just stand on a prayer mat and go through the motions and not move your lips and you’d be comfortable doing that?

No, I don’t agree that students are made to pray. Spectators are not made to pray. If a Muslim coach was praying, I’d respect his right to do so. I am not Muslim and don’t pray to Allah. But coach is welcome to do so. I would not stand on his prayer mat, that’s his prayer mat.

Where is a news source that states that football coaches and sports coaches are forcing athletes to pray?

You pray to Allah every time you pray. Allah literally is the word for God. Literally the same god as yours.

Muslims disagree with Christians on a number of things, including the Trinity, the nature of Christ, and the authority of the Bible.

Christians believe Jesus is God, but the Quran is so opposed to this belief that it condemns Jesus worshipers to Hell ([Qur’an] 5.72).

Christians and Jews share a Scripture. Christians and Muslims do not. Muslims do not recognize the Old or the New Testament. They judge the Bible muharraf, or “falsified.”

Muslim Allah and the biblical Yahweh are contradictory and cannot refer to the same being.

Allah comes from the Aramaic compound term “al-ilah,” which means “the god.” It is a generic term for the highest god of the people, and in Arabia it was in use for centuries before Muhammad. It was one of the 360 gods worshipped in the ka’aba in Mecca, and was the chief god for the Quraysh tribe, which was the tribe Muhammad belonged. Allah had three daughters, Al-At, Al-Uzza, and Al-Manat.

Allah is a distant, remote being who reveals his will but not himself. It is impossible to know him in a personal way. In his absolute oneness there is unity but not trinity.

To claim that Jesus is God’s son is the greatest of all sins in Islam and is known as “shirk.” Allah is also an arbitrary God and is said to deceive people, especially unbelievers. Even for the devout Muslim there is no guarantee of salvation because in his arbitrariness Allah may reject the believer’s good works and send him to hell. Even if one’s good works outweighed his bad works salvation is ultimately up to the Will of Allah, which is arbitrary.

The above is taken from this website: https://www.ciu.edu/allah-islam-same-yahweh-christianity and is written by Mr. Daniel Janosik
Adjunct Faculty (Apologetics), of Columbia International University, in South Carolina

[Anonymous]

Sports is not just about the outcome is the game in terms of wins and losses. That's what we the fans see, but when I'm competing what I'm thinking about is planting my properly so that I don't get injured and all that must go right in order for that to work correctly. It is indeed a prayer. Whether we win or lose, we gave people of whatever faiths, I will be praying for them because I do not wish injury on as anyone. We play these games for joy, not to get injured.

If you choose to not participate then that's your choice and I will not force you. But this is not about winning and losing.

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Anonymous wrote:Sports is not just about the outcome is the game in terms of wins and losses. That's what we the fans see, but when I'm competing what I'm thinking about is planting my properly so that I don't get injured and all that must go right in order for that to work correctly. It is indeed a prayer. Whether we win or lose, we gave people of whatever faiths, I will be praying for them because I do not wish injury on as anyone. We play these games for joy, not to get injured.

If you choose to not participate then that's your choice and I will not force you. But this is not about winning and losing.

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But sports often result in injury. There's a whole field of sports medicine and ambulances are often parked at sporting events just waiting for an accident. So it seems like sports prayers are not working and that people really don't expect them to work.

Maybe the prayers make you feel better, calm you. Fine. but they certainly don't offer protection from injuries.

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Anonymous wrote:Sports is not just about the outcome is the game in terms of wins and losses. That's what we the fans see, but when I'm competing what I'm thinking about is planting my properly so that I don't get injured and all that must go right in order for that to work correctly. It is indeed a prayer. Whether we win or lose, we gave people of whatever faiths, I will be praying for them because I do not wish injury on as anyone. We play these games for joy, not to get injured.

If you choose to not participate then that's your choice and I will not force you. But this is not about winning and losing.

ting events

But sports often result in injury. There's a whole field of sports medicine and ambulances are often parked at sporting events just waiting for an accident. So it seems like sports prayers are not working and that people really don't expect them to work.

Maybe the prayers make you feel better, calm you. Fine. but they certainly don't offer protection from injuries.

Take that up with your god. I'm good with mine. And my prayers are working just fine as God intended.

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Anonymous wrote:Sports is not just about the outcome is the game in terms of wins and losses. That's what we the fans see, but when I'm competing what I'm thinking about is planting my properly so that I don't get injured and all that must go right in order for that to work correctly. It is indeed a prayer. Whether we win or lose, we gave people of whatever faiths, I will be praying for them because I do not wish injury on as anyone. We play these games for joy, not to get injured.

If you choose to not participate then that's your choice and I will not force you. But this is not about winning and losing.

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But sports often result in injury. There's a whole field of sports medicine and ambulances are often parked at sporting events just waiting for an accident. So it seems like sports prayers are not working and that people really don't expect them to work.

Maybe the prayers make you feel better, calm you. Fine. but they certainly don't offer protection from injuries.

Take that up with your god. I'm good with mine. And my prayers are working just fine as God intended.

What makes you think we have different gods? and how did God intend your prayers to hime to work? and how do you know this? As I write this, I realize that perhaps you are being sarcastic. Is that the case?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sports is not just about the outcome is the game in terms of wins and losses. That's what we the fans see, but when I'm competing what I'm thinking about is planting my properly so that I don't get injured and all that must go right in order for that to work correctly. It is indeed a prayer. Whether we win or lose, we gave people of whatever faiths, I will be praying for them because I do not wish injury on as anyone. We play these games for joy, not to get injured.

If you choose to not participate then that's your choice and I will not force you. But this is not about winning and losing.

ting events

But sports often result in injury. There's a whole field of sports medicine and ambulances are often parked at sporting events just waiting for an accident. So it seems like sports prayers are not working and that people really don't expect them to work.

Maybe the prayers make you feel better, calm you. Fine. but they certainly don't offer protection from injuries.

You are talking out your backside. You don’t know how anyone’s prayers work- and honestly telling people about their faith and how their faith works/doesn’t work is utterly rude and disrespectful. Your parents did a terrible job raising you. On second thought, perhaps they did a great job- and you have decided to become a know it all jerk on your own terms.

Do you tell people irl that their prayers don’t work and deem to educate them on their faith? I have a hard time believing you would talk to someone like this irl.

If you are an adult- you have to be one of the atheists who posts incessantly about being shunned by society and having to fight for civil rights. You are as bad as a nosy, ignorant evangelical who runs around trying to convince everyone that they need to get in their specific church. It’s horrible.

I can firmly say the atheists that post here are not nicer, more open-minded, tolerant, etc, than religious people. They are worse in their speech, manners, and have no ideas that inspire or bring hope or peace to anyone.

[Anonymous]

A minister used to sometimes post here. I did not share her point of view about religion, but she was a kind person who wanted to help people in their faith journeys. She never twisted or made up things, or was cruel in any way.

I wonder if she'll be back.

There is another self-identified Christian who has been to the forum recently. It would be nice to see them again too. People are busy, though and given that this is a long week-end, maybe they're away and doing other things.

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Anonymous wrote:A minister used to sometimes post here. I did not share her point of view about religion, but she was a kind person who wanted to help people in their faith journeys. She never twisted or made up things, or was cruel in any way.

I wonder if she'll be back.

There is another self-identified Christian who has been to the forum recently. It would be nice to see them again too. People are busy, though and given that this is a long week-end, maybe they're away and doing other things.

All we get now is the atheist-hating troll.

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I have not seen this in any of my kids sports

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A minister used to sometimes post here. I did not share her point of view about religion, but she was a kind person who wanted to help people in their faith journeys. She never twisted or made up things, or was cruel in any way.

I wonder if she'll be back.

There is another self-identified Christian who has been to the forum recently. It would be nice to see them again too. People are busy, though and given that this is a long week-end, maybe they're away and doing other things.

All we get now is the atheist-hating troll.

People don’t hate atheists for their atheism. People are annoyed by atheists if atheists act like jerks.

“In many cases, being an atheist isn’t just about personally rejecting religious labels and beliefs – most atheists also express negative views when asked about the role of religion in society. For example, seven-in-ten U.S. atheists say religion’s influence is declining in American public life, and that this is a good thing (71%), according to a 2019 survey. Fewer than one-in-five U.S. adults overall (17%) share this view. A majority of atheists (70%) also say churches and other religious organizations do more harm than good in society, and an even larger share (93%) say religious institutions have too much influence in U.S. politics.”

“Americans feel less warmly toward atheists than they do toward members of most major religious groups. A 2019 Pew Research Center survey asked Americans to rate groups on a “feeling thermometer” from 0 (as cold and negative as possible) to 100 (the warmest, most positive possible rating). U.S. adults gave atheists an average rating of 49, identical to the rating they gave Muslims (49) and colder than the average given to Jews (63), Catholics (60) and evangelical Christians (56).”

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/12/06/10-facts-about-atheists/

According to Pew, most atheists don’t just personally reject religion; they don’t like others to be religious and dislike religion as a whole.

Americans don’t seem to feel very warmly about atheists and atheism. Probably because atheists have abrasive personalities and harsh views about religion that are out of step with most Americans. Atheists feel great about disliking religion, but get defensive and feel like outcasts when Americans dislike them.

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Anonymous wrote:A minister used to sometimes post here. I did not share her point of view about religion, but she was a kind person who wanted to help people in their faith journeys. She never twisted or made up things, or was cruel in any way.

I wonder if she'll be back.

There is another self-identified Christian who has been to the forum recently. It would be nice to see them again too. People are busy, though and given that this is a long week-end, maybe they're away and doing other things.

All we get now is the atheist-hating troll.

People don’t hate atheists for their atheism. People are annoyed by atheists if atheists act like jerks.

“In many cases, being an atheist isn’t just about personally rejecting religious labels and beliefs – most atheists also express negative views when asked about the role of religion in society. For example, seven-in-ten U.S. atheists say religion’s influence is declining in American public life, and that this is a good thing (71%), according to a 2019 survey. Fewer than one-in-five U.S. adults overall (17%) share this view. A majority of atheists (70%) also say churches and other religious organizations do more harm than good in society, and an even larger share (93%) say religious institutions have too much influence in U.S. politics.”

“Americans feel less warmly toward atheists than they do toward members of most major religious groups. A 2019 Pew Research Center survey asked Americans to rate groups on a “feeling thermometer” from 0 (as cold and negative as possible) to 100 (the warmest, most positive possible rating). U.S. adults gave atheists an average rating of 49, identical to the rating they gave Muslims (49) and colder than the average given to Jews (63), Catholics (60) and evangelical Christians (56).”

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/12/06/10-facts-about-atheists/

According to Pew, most atheists don’t just personally reject religion; they don’t like others to be religious and dislike religion as a whole.

Americans don’t seem to feel very warmly about atheists and atheism. Probably because atheists have abrasive personalities and harsh views about religion that are out of step with most Americans. Atheists feel great about disliking religion, but get defensive and feel like outcasts when Americans dislike them.

Probably because some religious zealots are trying to force their beliefs on others.

Or they had a bad personal experience with religious people.

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Atheists express overwhelmingly negative feelings toward evangelical Christians but are also more negative than positive toward Catholics, mainline Protestants, Mormons and Muslims. “The negative feelings are mutual when it comes to Protestants and Catholics, who give atheists net negative ratings,” Pew states. Jews are the only group to get a positive rating on balance from atheists, and they also are more likely to express positive rather than negative views toward atheists.

Americans continue to rate atheists more negatively than positively but atheists have edged up slightly above Muslims and Mormons in terms of favorability ratings. Only 20 percent of Americans have favorable opinions of atheists.

Most Americans are neutral overall about religions, however.

https://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/42136-pew-study-shows-acceptance-of-atheists-is-low-but-gradually-increasing

So if people don’t like atheists- it’s because they are hateful bigots?

But when atheists don’t like religion/religious people- it’s because religious people have done something bad to atheists?

Play the victim much? Atheists don’t just personally not believe in God- they don’t want anyone to be religious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Atheists express overwhelmingly negative feelings toward evangelical Christians but are also more negative than positive toward Catholics, mainline Protestants, Mormons and Muslims. “The negative feelings are mutual when it comes to Protestants and Catholics, who give atheists net negative ratings,” Pew states. Jews are the only group to get a positive rating on balance from atheists, and they also are more likely to express positive rather than negative views toward atheists.

Americans continue to rate atheists more negatively than positively but atheists have edged up slightly above Muslims and Mormons in terms of favorability ratings. Only 20 percent of Americans have favorable opinions of atheists.

Most Americans are neutral overall about religions, however.

https://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/42136-pew-study-shows-acceptance-of-atheists-is-low-but-gradually-increasing

So if people don’t like atheists- it’s because they are hateful bigots?

But when atheists don’t like religion/religious people- it’s because religious people have done something bad to atheists?

Play the victim much? Atheists don’t just personally not believe in God- they don’t want anyone to be religious.

Atheist here. I don't care so much what others believe as long as they don't try to convert me and don't try to speak for me. A lot of religious people feel the same way. Although every religion has its dogma, not everyone believes everything that's in it. Atheists don't have dogma. They just don't believe in God. They may have other good or bad characteristics, just like religious people, not related to their lack of belief in God.

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Anonymous wrote:Atheists express overwhelmingly negative feelings toward evangelical Christians but are also more negative than positive toward Catholics, mainline Protestants, Mormons and Muslims. “The negative feelings are mutual when it comes to Protestants and Catholics, who give atheists net negative ratings,” Pew states. Jews are the only group to get a positive rating on balance from atheists, and they also are more likely to express positive rather than negative views toward atheists.

Americans continue to rate atheists more negatively than positively but atheists have edged up slightly above Muslims and Mormons in terms of favorability ratings. Only 20 percent of Americans have favorable opinions of atheists.

Most Americans are neutral overall about religions, however.

https://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/42136-pew-study-shows-acceptance-of-atheists-is-low-but-gradually-increasing

So if people don’t like atheists- it’s because they are hateful bigots?

But when atheists don’t like religion/religious people- it’s because religious people have done something bad to atheists?

Play the victim much? Atheists don’t just personally not believe in God- they don’t want anyone to be religious.

Atheist here. I don't care so much what others believe as long as they don't try to convert me and don't try to speak for me. A lot of religious people feel the same way. Although every religion has its dogma, not everyone believes everything that's in it. Atheists don't have dogma. They just don't believe in God. They may have other good or bad characteristics, just like religious people, not related to their lack of belief in God.

you are in the minority of atheists. The majority of atheists dislike all religions and religious people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Atheists express overwhelmingly negative feelings toward evangelical Christians but are also more negative than positive toward Catholics, mainline Protestants, Mormons and Muslims. “The negative feelings are mutual when it comes to Protestants and Catholics, who give atheists net negative ratings,” Pew states. Jews are the only group to get a positive rating on balance from atheists, and they also are more likely to express positive rather than negative views toward atheists.

Americans continue to rate atheists more negatively than positively but atheists have edged up slightly above Muslims and Mormons in terms of favorability ratings. Only 20 percent of Americans have favorable opinions of atheists.

Most Americans are neutral overall about religions, however.

https://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/42136-pew-study-shows-acceptance-of-atheists-is-low-but-gradually-increasing

So if people don’t like atheists- it’s because they are hateful bigots?

But when atheists don’t like religion/religious people- it’s because religious people have done something bad to atheists?

Play the victim much? Atheists don’t just personally not believe in God- they don’t want anyone to be religious.

Atheist here. I don't care so much what others believe as long as they don't try to convert me and don't try to speak for me. A lot of religious people feel the same way. Although every religion has its dogma, not everyone believes everything that's in it. Atheists don't have dogma. They just don't believe in God. They may have other good or bad characteristics, just like religious people, not related to their lack of belief in God.

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And don’t force your religious beliefs on the rest of us.