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Anonymous wrote:◄ 1 Samuel 2:2 ►
Context Crossref Comm Hebrew
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
“There is no one holy like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.

New Living Translation
No one is holy like the LORD! There is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.

English Standard Version
“There is none holy like the LORD: for there is none besides you; there is no rock like our God.

Berean Standard Bible
There is no one holy like the LORD. Indeed, there is no one besides You! And there is no Rock like our God.

King James Bible
There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

New King James Version
“No one is holy like the LORD, For there is none besides You, Nor is there any rock like our God.

New American Standard Bible
“There is no one holy like the LORD, Indeed, there is no one besides You, Nor is there any rock like our God.

NASB 1995
“There is no one holy like the LORD, Indeed, there is no one besides You, Nor is there any rock like our God.

NASB 1977
“There is no one holy like the LORD, Indeed, there is no one besides Thee, Nor is there any rock like our God.

Legacy Standard Bible
There is no one holy like Yahweh; Indeed, there is no one besides You, Nor is there any rock like our God.

Amplified Bible
“There is no one holy like the LORD, There is no one besides You, There is no Rock like our God.

Christian Standard Bible
There is no one holy like the LORD. There is no one besides you! And there is no rock like our God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
There is no one holy like the LORD. There is no one besides You! And there is no rock like our God.

American Standard Version
There is none holy as Jehovah; For there is none besides thee, Neither is there any rock like our God.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
There is no one who is holy as LORD JEHOVAH, because there is none apart from you and there is no one who is mighty as our God!

Brenton Septuagint Translation
For there is none holy as the Lord, and there is none righteous as our God; there is none holy besides thee.

Contemporary English Version
No other god is like you. And with you we are safer than on a high mountain.

Douay-Rheims Bible
There is none holy as the Lord is: for there is no other beside thee, and there is none strong like our God.

English Revised Version
There is none holy as the LORD; for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
There is no one holy like the LORD. There is no one but you, O LORD. There is no Rock like our God.

Good News Translation
"No one is holy like the LORD; there is none like him, no protector like our God.

International Standard Version
Indeed, there is no one holy like the LORD, indeed, there is no one besides you, there is no rock like our God.

JPS Tanakh 1917
There is none holy as the LORD, For there is none beside Thee; Neither is there any rock like our God.

Literal Standard Version
There is none holy like YHWH, | For there is none except You, | And there is no rock like our God.

Majority Standard Bible
There is no one holy like the LORD. Indeed, there is no one besides You! And there is no Rock like our God.

New American Bible
There is no Holy One like the LORD; there is no Rock like our God.

NET Bible
No one is holy like the LORD! There is no one other than you! There is no rock like our God!

New Revised Standard Version
“There is no Holy One like the LORD, no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.

New Heart English Bible
Truly, there is no one as holy as the LORD. Truly, there is no one besides you, nor is there any rock like our God.

Webster's Bible Translation
There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none besides thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

World English Bible
There is no one as holy as Yahweh, for there is no one besides you, nor is there any rock like our God.

Young's Literal Translation
There is none holy like Jehovah, For there is none save Thee, And there is no rock like our God.

Additional Translations ...
Context
Hannah's Prayer of Thanksgiving
1At that time Hannah prayed: “My heart rejoices in the LORD in whom my horn is exalted. My mouth speaks boldly against my enemies, for I rejoice in Your salvation. 2There is no one holy like the LORD. Indeed, there is no one besides You! And there is no Rock like our God. 3Do not boast so proudly, or let arrogance come from your mouth, for the LORD is a God who knows, and by Him actions are weighed.…
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Cross References
Exodus 15:11
Who among the gods is like You, O LORD? Who is like You--majestic in holiness, revered with praises, performing wonders?

Leviticus 19:2
"Speak to the whole congregation of Israel and tell them: Be holy because I, the LORD your God, am holy.

Deuteronomy 4:35
You were shown these things so that you would know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides Him.

Deuteronomy 32:30
How could one man pursue a thousand, or two put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless the LORD had given them up?

Deuteronomy 32:31
For their rock is not like our Rock, even our enemies concede.

2 Samuel 7:22
How great You are, O Lord GOD! For there is none like You, and there is no God but You, according to everything we have heard with our own ears.

2 Samuel 22:3
My God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield, and the horn of my salvation. My stronghold, my refuge, and my Savior, You save me from violence.


Treasury of Scripture
There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside you: neither is there any rock like our God.

none holy

Exodus 15:11
Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Psalm 99:5,9
Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; for he is holy…

none beside

Deuteronomy 4:35
Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.

2 Samuel 22:32
For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?

Psalm 73:25
Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee.

rock

Deuteronomy 3:24
O Lord GOD, thou hast begun to shew thy servant thy greatness, and thy mighty hand: for what God is there in heaven or in earth, that can do according to thy works, and according to thy might?

Deuteronomy 32:20,31,39
And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith…

Psalm 18:2
The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.




https://biblehub.com/1_samuel/2-2.htm

Anyone who was even nominally, former Christian would know this.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(2) Neither is there any rock.--This was a favourite simile among the inspired song-writers of Israel. The image, doubtless, is a memory of the long desert wandering. The steep precipices and the strange fantastic rocks of Sinai, standing up in the midst of the shifting desert sands, supplied an ever present picture of unchangeableness, of majesty, and of security. The term rock, as applied to God, is first found in the Song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32:4; Deuteronomy 32:15; Deuteronomy 32:18; Deuteronomy 32:30-31; Deuteronomy 32:37), where the juxtaposition of rock and salvation in 1Samuel 2:15--he lightly esteemed the rock of his salvation--seems to indicate that Hannah was acquainted with this song or national hymn of Moses. The same phrase is frequent in the Psalms. . . .

Parallel Commentaries ...


Hebrew
There is no one
אֵין־ (’ên-)
Adverb
Strong's 369: A non-entity, a negative particle

holy
קָד֥וֹשׁ (qā·ḏō·wōš)
Adjective - masculine singular
Strong's 6918: Sacred, God, an angel, a saint, a sanctuary

like the LORD.
כַּיהוָ֖ה (Yah·weh)
Preposition-k | Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel

Indeed,
כִּ֣י (kî)
Conjunction
Strong's 3588: A relative conjunction

[there is] no one
אֵ֣ין (’ên)
Adverb
Strong's 369: A non-entity, a negative particle

besides You!
בִּלְתֶּ֑ךָ (bil·te·ḵā)
Preposition | second person masculine singular
Strong's 1115: A failure of, not, except, without, unless, besides, because not, until

And there is no
וְאֵ֥ין (wə·’ên)
Conjunctive waw | Adverb
Strong's 369: A non-entity, a negative particle

rock
צ֖וּר (ṣūr)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 6697: A cliff, a rock, boulder, a refuge, an edge

like our God.
כֵּאלֹהֵֽינוּ׃ (kê·lō·hê·nū)
Preposition-k | Noun - masculine plural construct | first person common plural
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative


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OT History: 1 Samuel 2:2 There is no one as holy as (1Sa iSam 1 Sam i sa)

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Anonymous wrote:Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

Same reason they believe God helped them breathe, walk, shoot the winning goal, etc.

And it makes them feel special. God helped ME win and let YOU lose.

When people pray to God, it’s an expression and affirmation of their personal relationship with God. It’s not about you, or anyone else. Praying to God is personal.

I do pray for those I know that have asked for prayer or for people in my life that are facing hardship or struggle. I lift them up in prayer.

However praying for strength in our lives doesn’t mean we are praying for others to “lose.”

Who taught you that prayer works like that? Were you also taught you can pray for harm to befall others? Or you could pray that someone you dislike will die?

Prayer is spiritual communication between man and God, a two-way relationship in which man should not only talk to God but also listen to Him.

Main character syndrome means you think you are the most important person in every situation and the focus of everything. You believe oddly that people are praying for you to lose or come to harm- and it is paranoia on your part.

Of course people who don’t understand God may pray for the death of others, they may pray they will marry a movie star, they may pray they become rich/successful/powerful. They can pray for literally anything they desire. But prayer isn’t a child’s wish list for goodies and treats. It’s a lifelong relationship with God.

I believe the misconceptions and false information posted here stems from ignorance and sometimes purposeful misinformation. Don’t ever make decisions about anything based on an anonymous comment here.

Prayer is about your personal relationship with God.

As someone who competed in college level athletics- winning was great. Top of the world feeling. However one must understand one will not always win.

The competition is something that is thrilling and rewarding- and even if you or your team lose, the sport is something you learn to respect and appreciate on it’s own. You respect the skill and strength of your competition. You respect and appreciate the experience and dedication of your coaches/coaching staff. You are grateful your family supports your efforts. Etc.

Maybe from a child’s mind, sporting events are all about winning and losing. Professional sports are definitely about winning and losing and the millions of dollars people make from the franchise and the merchandise sold.

But as people (hopefully) grow and mature and learn, athletic competition can be a great way to learn about life.

It’s obvious the eternally and obsessively online people here never had a chance to experience such things, and don’t understand there is more to athletics/sports than winning and losing.

Of course, you have to believe in God -- that there's some superior being actually hearing your prayers -- to make them meaningful.

Also, the holier-than-thou tone of the above post about prayer doesn't help give the message across that prayer is a good thing.

Lots of people posting here do not believe in God but like telling people who do believe in God how prayer works. Makes no sense.

The above is not holier than thou; it’s my perspective. It’s at least a better comment than someone who doesn’t believe in God telling people they “only want to win” if they pray about their athletic ability and sports events.

Your perspective is holier than thou. Please keep in mind that many non-believers know a lot about praying, because they used to pray themselves when they were believers.

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I don’t think the non-believers know anything about prayer because they only talk about it in a bad way. Obviously biased atheists and anti-theists.

If talking about prayer "in a bad way" means talking about it as if you expect your prayers to be answered, then I, an atheist, formerly Christian, agree.

Lots of people pray for emotional strength and support. Not just to ask God for a new car.

Are you saying that some prayers are more worthy of being answered?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else cringe at blatant evangelism in sports?

Prayer circles, coaches proselytizing, etc?

It’s at all levels — youth, college, pro.

I get praying for the safety of participants but why do these people thing God cares about sports, much less has a preference for a victor? Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

You "cringe" at this, OP? What an odd choice of words. Are you always so fragile?

I think it's great and has a positive influence on younger kits/ players.

If you've never been to Faith Night at Nats Park, you should do so one year. It's very uplifting.

Tgey guy next to you being gay and proud of it does not infringe on any of your rights.

Coach lead prays does.

Which rights does it infringe upon?

Freedom of religion also includes freedom from religion.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else cringe at blatant evangelism in sports?

Prayer circles, coaches proselytizing, etc?

It’s at all levels — youth, college, pro.

I get praying for the safety of participants but why do these people thing God cares about sports, much less has a preference for a victor? Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

You "cringe" at this, OP? What an odd choice of words. Are you always so fragile?

I think it's great and has a positive influence on younger kits/ players.

If you've never been to Faith Night at Nats Park, you should do so one year. It's very uplifting.

Tgey guy next to you being gay and proud of it does not infringe on any of your rights.

Coach lead prays does.

Which rights does it infringe upon?

Freedom of religion also includes freedom from religion.

It doesn’t. Who told you that? No where in the constitution does it say that.

A coach praying on a field infringes on what right?

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Anonymous wrote:Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

Same reason they believe God helped them breathe, walk, shoot the winning goal, etc.

And it makes them feel special. God helped ME win and let YOU lose.

When people pray to God, it’s an expression and affirmation of their personal relationship with God. It’s not about you, or anyone else. Praying to God is personal.

I do pray for those I know that have asked for prayer or for people in my life that are facing hardship or struggle. I lift them up in prayer.

However praying for strength in our lives doesn’t mean we are praying for others to “lose.”

Who taught you that prayer works like that? Were you also taught you can pray for harm to befall others? Or you could pray that someone you dislike will die?

Prayer is spiritual communication between man and God, a two-way relationship in which man should not only talk to God but also listen to Him.

Main character syndrome means you think you are the most important person in every situation and the focus of everything. You believe oddly that people are praying for you to lose or come to harm- and it is paranoia on your part.

Of course people who don’t understand God may pray for the death of others, they may pray they will marry a movie star, they may pray they become rich/successful/powerful. They can pray for literally anything they desire. But prayer isn’t a child’s wish list for goodies and treats. It’s a lifelong relationship with God.

I believe the misconceptions and false information posted here stems from ignorance and sometimes purposeful misinformation. Don’t ever make decisions about anything based on an anonymous comment here.

Prayer is about your personal relationship with God.

As someone who competed in college level athletics- winning was great. Top of the world feeling. However one must understand one will not always win.

The competition is something that is thrilling and rewarding- and even if you or your team lose, the sport is something you learn to respect and appreciate on it’s own. You respect the skill and strength of your competition. You respect and appreciate the experience and dedication of your coaches/coaching staff. You are grateful your family supports your efforts. Etc.

Maybe from a child’s mind, sporting events are all about winning and losing. Professional sports are definitely about winning and losing and the millions of dollars people make from the franchise and the merchandise sold.

But as people (hopefully) grow and mature and learn, athletic competition can be a great way to learn about life.

It’s obvious the eternally and obsessively online people here never had a chance to experience such things, and don’t understand there is more to athletics/sports than winning and losing.

Of course, you have to believe in God -- that there's some superior being actually hearing your prayers -- to make them meaningful.

Also, the holier-than-thou tone of the above post about prayer doesn't help give the message across that prayer is a good thing.

Lots of people posting here do not believe in God but like telling people who do believe in God how prayer works. Makes no sense.

The above is not holier than thou; it’s my perspective. It’s at least a better comment than someone who doesn’t believe in God telling people they “only want to win” if they pray about their athletic ability and sports events.

Your perspective is holier than thou. Please keep in mind that many non-believers know a lot about praying, because they used to pray themselves when they were believers.

+1

I don’t think the non-believers know anything about prayer because they only talk about it in a bad way. Obviously biased atheists and anti-theists.

If talking about prayer "in a bad way" means talking about it as if you expect your prayers to be answered, then I, an atheist, formerly Christian, agree.

Lots of people pray for emotional strength and support. Not just to ask God for a new car.

Are you saying that some prayers are more worthy of being answered?

I am not God, that would be His decision.

Are you a Christian?

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Anonymous wrote:Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

Same reason they believe God helped them breathe, walk, shoot the winning goal, etc.

And it makes them feel special. God helped ME win and let YOU lose.

When people pray to God, it’s an expression and affirmation of their personal relationship with God. It’s not about you, or anyone else. Praying to God is personal.

I do pray for those I know that have asked for prayer or for people in my life that are facing hardship or struggle. I lift them up in prayer.

However praying for strength in our lives doesn’t mean we are praying for others to “lose.”

Who taught you that prayer works like that? Were you also taught you can pray for harm to befall others? Or you could pray that someone you dislike will die?

Prayer is spiritual communication between man and God, a two-way relationship in which man should not only talk to God but also listen to Him.

Main character syndrome means you think you are the most important person in every situation and the focus of everything. You believe oddly that people are praying for you to lose or come to harm- and it is paranoia on your part.

Of course people who don’t understand God may pray for the death of others, they may pray they will marry a movie star, they may pray they become rich/successful/powerful. They can pray for literally anything they desire. But prayer isn’t a child’s wish list for goodies and treats. It’s a lifelong relationship with God.

I believe the misconceptions and false information posted here stems from ignorance and sometimes purposeful misinformation. Don’t ever make decisions about anything based on an anonymous comment here.

Prayer is about your personal relationship with God.

As someone who competed in college level athletics- winning was great. Top of the world feeling. However one must understand one will not always win.

The competition is something that is thrilling and rewarding- and even if you or your team lose, the sport is something you learn to respect and appreciate on it’s own. You respect the skill and strength of your competition. You respect and appreciate the experience and dedication of your coaches/coaching staff. You are grateful your family supports your efforts. Etc.

Maybe from a child’s mind, sporting events are all about winning and losing. Professional sports are definitely about winning and losing and the millions of dollars people make from the franchise and the merchandise sold.

But as people (hopefully) grow and mature and learn, athletic competition can be a great way to learn about life.

It’s obvious the eternally and obsessively online people here never had a chance to experience such things, and don’t understand there is more to athletics/sports than winning and losing.

Of course, you have to believe in God -- that there's some superior being actually hearing your prayers -- to make them meaningful.

Also, the holier-than-thou tone of the above post about prayer doesn't help give the message across that prayer is a good thing.

Lots of people posting here do not believe in God but like telling people who do believe in God how prayer works. Makes no sense.

The above is not holier than thou; it’s my perspective. It’s at least a better comment than someone who doesn’t believe in God telling people they “only want to win” if they pray about their athletic ability and sports events.

Your perspective is holier than thou. Please keep in mind that many non-believers know a lot about praying, because they used to pray themselves when they were believers.

+1

I don’t think the non-believers know anything about prayer because they only talk about it in a bad way. Obviously biased atheists and anti-theists.

If talking about prayer "in a bad way" means talking about it as if you expect your prayers to be answered, then I, an atheist, formerly Christian, agree.

Lots of people pray for emotional strength and support. Not just to ask God for a new car.

Are you saying that some prayers are more worthy of being answered?

I am not God, that would be His decision.

Are you a Christian?

How do you know that God decides what prayers should be answered? When I was a christian, I didn't learn that God decided which prayers were worthy of answering.

Are you the Christian who bowed out of the Aquinas discussion?

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Yes, it makes me cringe, but God has a spam filter so I don't worry about it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

Same reason they believe God helped them breathe, walk, shoot the winning goal, etc.

And it makes them feel special. God helped ME win and let YOU lose.

When people pray to God, it’s an expression and affirmation of their personal relationship with God. It’s not about you, or anyone else. Praying to God is personal.

I do pray for those I know that have asked for prayer or for people in my life that are facing hardship or struggle. I lift them up in prayer.

However praying for strength in our lives doesn’t mean we are praying for others to “lose.”

Who taught you that prayer works like that? Were you also taught you can pray for harm to befall others? Or you could pray that someone you dislike will die?

Prayer is spiritual communication between man and God, a two-way relationship in which man should not only talk to God but also listen to Him.

Main character syndrome means you think you are the most important person in every situation and the focus of everything. You believe oddly that people are praying for you to lose or come to harm- and it is paranoia on your part.

Of course people who don’t understand God may pray for the death of others, they may pray they will marry a movie star, they may pray they become rich/successful/powerful. They can pray for literally anything they desire. But prayer isn’t a child’s wish list for goodies and treats. It’s a lifelong relationship with God.

I believe the misconceptions and false information posted here stems from ignorance and sometimes purposeful misinformation. Don’t ever make decisions about anything based on an anonymous comment here.

Prayer is about your personal relationship with God.

As someone who competed in college level athletics- winning was great. Top of the world feeling. However one must understand one will not always win.

The competition is something that is thrilling and rewarding- and even if you or your team lose, the sport is something you learn to respect and appreciate on it’s own. You respect the skill and strength of your competition. You respect and appreciate the experience and dedication of your coaches/coaching staff. You are grateful your family supports your efforts. Etc.

Maybe from a child’s mind, sporting events are all about winning and losing. Professional sports are definitely about winning and losing and the millions of dollars people make from the franchise and the merchandise sold.

But as people (hopefully) grow and mature and learn, athletic competition can be a great way to learn about life.

It’s obvious the eternally and obsessively online people here never had a chance to experience such things, and don’t understand there is more to athletics/sports than winning and losing.

Of course, you have to believe in God -- that there's some superior being actually hearing your prayers -- to make them meaningful.

Also, the holier-than-thou tone of the above post about prayer doesn't help give the message across that prayer is a good thing.

Lots of people posting here do not believe in God but like telling people who do believe in God how prayer works. Makes no sense.

The above is not holier than thou; it’s my perspective. It’s at least a better comment than someone who doesn’t believe in God telling people they “only want to win” if they pray about their athletic ability and sports events.

Your perspective is holier than thou. Please keep in mind that many non-believers know a lot about praying, because they used to pray themselves when they were believers.

+1

I don’t think the non-believers know anything about prayer because they only talk about it in a bad way. Obviously biased atheists and anti-theists.

If talking about prayer "in a bad way" means talking about it as if you expect your prayers to be answered, then I, an atheist, formerly Christian, agree.

Lots of people pray for emotional strength and support. Not just to ask God for a new car.

Are you saying that some prayers are more worthy of being answered?

I am not God, that would be His decision.

Are you a Christian?

How do you know that God decides what prayers should be answered? When I was a christian, I didn't learn that God decided which prayers were worthy of answering.

Are you the Christian who bowed out of the Aquinas discussion?

I am not. So you’re not a Christian but spend your days debating Christianity…why?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

Same reason they believe God helped them breathe, walk, shoot the winning goal, etc.

And it makes them feel special. God helped ME win and let YOU lose.

When people pray to God, it’s an expression and affirmation of their personal relationship with God. It’s not about you, or anyone else. Praying to God is personal.

I do pray for those I know that have asked for prayer or for people in my life that are facing hardship or struggle. I lift them up in prayer.

However praying for strength in our lives doesn’t mean we are praying for others to “lose.”

Who taught you that prayer works like that? Were you also taught you can pray for harm to befall others? Or you could pray that someone you dislike will die?

Prayer is spiritual communication between man and God, a two-way relationship in which man should not only talk to God but also listen to Him.

Main character syndrome means you think you are the most important person in every situation and the focus of everything. You believe oddly that people are praying for you to lose or come to harm- and it is paranoia on your part.

Of course people who don’t understand God may pray for the death of others, they may pray they will marry a movie star, they may pray they become rich/successful/powerful. They can pray for literally anything they desire. But prayer isn’t a child’s wish list for goodies and treats. It’s a lifelong relationship with God.

I believe the misconceptions and false information posted here stems from ignorance and sometimes purposeful misinformation. Don’t ever make decisions about anything based on an anonymous comment here.

Prayer is about your personal relationship with God.

As someone who competed in college level athletics- winning was great. Top of the world feeling. However one must understand one will not always win.

The competition is something that is thrilling and rewarding- and even if you or your team lose, the sport is something you learn to respect and appreciate on it’s own. You respect the skill and strength of your competition. You respect and appreciate the experience and dedication of your coaches/coaching staff. You are grateful your family supports your efforts. Etc.

Maybe from a child’s mind, sporting events are all about winning and losing. Professional sports are definitely about winning and losing and the millions of dollars people make from the franchise and the merchandise sold.

But as people (hopefully) grow and mature and learn, athletic competition can be a great way to learn about life.

It’s obvious the eternally and obsessively online people here never had a chance to experience such things, and don’t understand there is more to athletics/sports than winning and losing.

Of course, you have to believe in God -- that there's some superior being actually hearing your prayers -- to make them meaningful.

Also, the holier-than-thou tone of the above post about prayer doesn't help give the message across that prayer is a good thing.

Lots of people posting here do not believe in God but like telling people who do believe in God how prayer works. Makes no sense.

The above is not holier than thou; it’s my perspective. It’s at least a better comment than someone who doesn’t believe in God telling people they “only want to win” if they pray about their athletic ability and sports events.

Your perspective is holier than thou. Please keep in mind that many non-believers know a lot about praying, because they used to pray themselves when they were believers.

+1

I don’t think the non-believers know anything about prayer because they only talk about it in a bad way. Obviously biased atheists and anti-theists.

If talking about prayer "in a bad way" means talking about it as if you expect your prayers to be answered, then I, an atheist, formerly Christian, agree.

Lots of people pray for emotional strength and support. Not just to ask God for a new car.

Are you saying that some prayers are more worthy of being answered?

DP: They are all answered, you just might not hear or like the answer. Think of prayer as meditation that may bring you calmness and clarity, perhaps over time. No one is expecting a car to drop out of the sky. That's comedy, not prayer.

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Anonymous wrote:September 29, 2022

More people approve than disapprove of the Supreme Court’s recent ruling to allow a public high school football coach to pray on the field. More than 6 in 10 think a coach leading a team in prayer, a player leading a team in prayer, or a coach praying on the field without asking the team to join in should all be allowed at public high school sporting events.

Few Americans are concerned that the Supreme Court ruling will make students feel pressure to participate in prayer or make students feel less welcome participating in high school sports. Most do not think the court’s ruling will lead to other public school officials praying with students during school hours. And just 30% of the public feels that religion has too much influence on what children are taught in school.

When it comes to professional sports, more people approve than disapprove of professional athletes praying on the field or expressing their faith publicly. Forty-five percent approve of professional athletes wearing religious symbols while on the field. However, only 30% approve of professional athletes kneeling during the national anthem.

https://apnorc.org/projects/the-publics-opinion-on-religion-in-sports/

Proselytizing means forcing people to be religious. The coaches aren’t proselytizing when they are praying and expressing their religious beliefs. Prayers in public are not proselytizing.

Proselytism is attempting to convert people's religious or political beliefs.

If you look up the verb “proselytism” in most dictionaries, you’ll find it defined as any effort to persuade a person to give up one point of view in favor of another. Atheists and anti-theists constantly proselytize in this forum.

Yea! Fall back onto the the Supreme Court. Way to prove your point. /s

That you're quoting a poll of what Americans think (by the way, i know too much about polls to take that at face value) doesn't mean that Christians should do do in this instance. Isn't the Bible the higher authority? What is purely legal, may not be what is the best treatment a Christian should offer their neighbors' children.

I mean, America leads the world in the proportion of people who think angels are real.

We truly are a stupid lot.

What do you imagine and angel is to these people you call stupid?

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Anonymous wrote:Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

Same reason they believe God helped them breathe, walk, shoot the winning goal, etc.

And it makes them feel special. God helped ME win and let YOU lose.

When people pray to God, it’s an expression and affirmation of their personal relationship with God. It’s not about you, or anyone else. Praying to God is personal.

I do pray for those I know that have asked for prayer or for people in my life that are facing hardship or struggle. I lift them up in prayer.

However praying for strength in our lives doesn’t mean we are praying for others to “lose.”

Who taught you that prayer works like that? Were you also taught you can pray for harm to befall others? Or you could pray that someone you dislike will die?

Prayer is spiritual communication between man and God, a two-way relationship in which man should not only talk to God but also listen to Him.

Main character syndrome means you think you are the most important person in every situation and the focus of everything. You believe oddly that people are praying for you to lose or come to harm- and it is paranoia on your part.

Of course people who don’t understand God may pray for the death of others, they may pray they will marry a movie star, they may pray they become rich/successful/powerful. They can pray for literally anything they desire. But prayer isn’t a child’s wish list for goodies and treats. It’s a lifelong relationship with God.

I believe the misconceptions and false information posted here stems from ignorance and sometimes purposeful misinformation. Don’t ever make decisions about anything based on an anonymous comment here.

Prayer is about your personal relationship with God.

As someone who competed in college level athletics- winning was great. Top of the world feeling. However one must understand one will not always win.

The competition is something that is thrilling and rewarding- and even if you or your team lose, the sport is something you learn to respect and appreciate on it’s own. You respect the skill and strength of your competition. You respect and appreciate the experience and dedication of your coaches/coaching staff. You are grateful your family supports your efforts. Etc.

Maybe from a child’s mind, sporting events are all about winning and losing. Professional sports are definitely about winning and losing and the millions of dollars people make from the franchise and the merchandise sold.

But as people (hopefully) grow and mature and learn, athletic competition can be a great way to learn about life.

It’s obvious the eternally and obsessively online people here never had a chance to experience such things, and don’t understand there is more to athletics/sports than winning and losing.

Of course, you have to believe in God -- that there's some superior being actually hearing your prayers -- to make them meaningful.

Also, the holier-than-thou tone of the above post about prayer doesn't help give the message across that prayer is a good thing.

Lots of people posting here do not believe in God but like telling people who do believe in God how prayer works. Makes no sense.

The above is not holier than thou; it’s my perspective. It’s at least a better comment than someone who doesn’t believe in God telling people they “only want to win” if they pray about their athletic ability and sports events.

Your perspective is holier than thou. Please keep in mind that many non-believers know a lot about praying, because they used to pray themselves when they were believers.

+1

I don’t think the non-believers know anything about prayer because they only talk about it in a bad way. Obviously biased atheists and anti-theists.

If talking about prayer "in a bad way" means talking about it as if you expect your prayers to be answered, then I, an atheist, formerly Christian, agree.

Lots of people pray for emotional strength and support. Not just to ask God for a new car.

Are you saying that some prayers are more worthy of being answered?

DP: They are all answered, you just might not hear or like the answer. Think of prayer as meditation that may bring you calmness and clarity, perhaps over time. No one is expecting a car to drop out of the sky. That's comedy, not prayer.

People don’t like to hear that the answer is often “no.”

That’s an answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

Same reason they believe God helped them breathe, walk, shoot the winning goal, etc.

And it makes them feel special. God helped ME win and let YOU lose.

When people pray to God, it’s an expression and affirmation of their personal relationship with God. It’s not about you, or anyone else. Praying to God is personal.

I do pray for those I know that have asked for prayer or for people in my life that are facing hardship or struggle. I lift them up in prayer.

However praying for strength in our lives doesn’t mean we are praying for others to “lose.”

Who taught you that prayer works like that? Were you also taught you can pray for harm to befall others? Or you could pray that someone you dislike will die?

Prayer is spiritual communication between man and God, a two-way relationship in which man should not only talk to God but also listen to Him.

Main character syndrome means you think you are the most important person in every situation and the focus of everything. You believe oddly that people are praying for you to lose or come to harm- and it is paranoia on your part.

Of course people who don’t understand God may pray for the death of others, they may pray they will marry a movie star, they may pray they become rich/successful/powerful. They can pray for literally anything they desire. But prayer isn’t a child’s wish list for goodies and treats. It’s a lifelong relationship with God.

I believe the misconceptions and false information posted here stems from ignorance and sometimes purposeful misinformation. Don’t ever make decisions about anything based on an anonymous comment here.

Prayer is about your personal relationship with God.

As someone who competed in college level athletics- winning was great. Top of the world feeling. However one must understand one will not always win.

The competition is something that is thrilling and rewarding- and even if you or your team lose, the sport is something you learn to respect and appreciate on it’s own. You respect the skill and strength of your competition. You respect and appreciate the experience and dedication of your coaches/coaching staff. You are grateful your family supports your efforts. Etc.

Maybe from a child’s mind, sporting events are all about winning and losing. Professional sports are definitely about winning and losing and the millions of dollars people make from the franchise and the merchandise sold.

But as people (hopefully) grow and mature and learn, athletic competition can be a great way to learn about life.

It’s obvious the eternally and obsessively online people here never had a chance to experience such things, and don’t understand there is more to athletics/sports than winning and losing.

Of course, you have to believe in God -- that there's some superior being actually hearing your prayers -- to make them meaningful.

Also, the holier-than-thou tone of the above post about prayer doesn't help give the message across that prayer is a good thing.

Lots of people posting here do not believe in God but like telling people who do believe in God how prayer works. Makes no sense.

The above is not holier than thou; it’s my perspective. It’s at least a better comment than someone who doesn’t believe in God telling people they “only want to win” if they pray about their athletic ability and sports events.

Your perspective is holier than thou. Please keep in mind that many non-believers know a lot about praying, because they used to pray themselves when they were believers.

+1

I don’t think the non-believers know anything about prayer because they only talk about it in a bad way. Obviously biased atheists and anti-theists.

If talking about prayer "in a bad way" means talking about it as if you expect your prayers to be answered, then I, an atheist, formerly Christian, agree.

Lots of people pray for emotional strength and support. Not just to ask God for a new car.

Are you saying that some prayers are more worthy of being answered?

I am not God, that would be His decision.

Are you a Christian?

How do you know that God decides what prayers should be answered? When I was a christian, I didn't learn that God decided which prayers were worthy of answering.

Are you the Christian who bowed out of the Aquinas discussion?

So when you were a Christian, what dod you learn about God answering prayers? Genuinely curious.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

Same reason they believe God helped them breathe, walk, shoot the winning goal, etc.

And it makes them feel special. God helped ME win and let YOU lose.

When people pray to God, it’s an expression and affirmation of their personal relationship with God. It’s not about you, or anyone else. Praying to God is personal.

I do pray for those I know that have asked for prayer or for people in my life that are facing hardship or struggle. I lift them up in prayer.

However praying for strength in our lives doesn’t mean we are praying for others to “lose.”

Who taught you that prayer works like that? Were you also taught you can pray for harm to befall others? Or you could pray that someone you dislike will die?

Prayer is spiritual communication between man and God, a two-way relationship in which man should not only talk to God but also listen to Him.

Main character syndrome means you think you are the most important person in every situation and the focus of everything. You believe oddly that people are praying for you to lose or come to harm- and it is paranoia on your part.

Of course people who don’t understand God may pray for the death of others, they may pray they will marry a movie star, they may pray they become rich/successful/powerful. They can pray for literally anything they desire. But prayer isn’t a child’s wish list for goodies and treats. It’s a lifelong relationship with God.

I believe the misconceptions and false information posted here stems from ignorance and sometimes purposeful misinformation. Don’t ever make decisions about anything based on an anonymous comment here.

Prayer is about your personal relationship with God.

As someone who competed in college level athletics- winning was great. Top of the world feeling. However one must understand one will not always win.

The competition is something that is thrilling and rewarding- and even if you or your team lose, the sport is something you learn to respect and appreciate on it’s own. You respect the skill and strength of your competition. You respect and appreciate the experience and dedication of your coaches/coaching staff. You are grateful your family supports your efforts. Etc.

Maybe from a child’s mind, sporting events are all about winning and losing. Professional sports are definitely about winning and losing and the millions of dollars people make from the franchise and the merchandise sold.

But as people (hopefully) grow and mature and learn, athletic competition can be a great way to learn about life.

It’s obvious the eternally and obsessively online people here never had a chance to experience such things, and don’t understand there is more to athletics/sports than winning and losing.

Of course, you have to believe in God -- that there's some superior being actually hearing your prayers -- to make them meaningful.

Also, the holier-than-thou tone of the above post about prayer doesn't help give the message across that prayer is a good thing.

Lots of people posting here do not believe in God but like telling people who do believe in God how prayer works. Makes no sense.

The above is not holier than thou; it’s my perspective. It’s at least a better comment than someone who doesn’t believe in God telling people they “only want to win” if they pray about their athletic ability and sports events.

Your perspective is holier than thou. Please keep in mind that many non-believers know a lot about praying, because they used to pray themselves when they were believers.

+1

I don’t think the non-believers know anything about prayer because they only talk about it in a bad way. Obviously biased atheists and anti-theists.

If talking about prayer "in a bad way" means talking about it as if you expect your prayers to be answered, then I, an atheist, formerly Christian, agree.

Lots of people pray for emotional strength and support. Not just to ask God for a new car.

Are you saying that some prayers are more worthy of being answered?

I am not God, that would be His decision.

Are you a Christian?

How do you know that God decides what prayers should be answered? When I was a christian, I didn't learn that God decided which prayers were worthy of answering.

Are you the Christian who bowed out of the Aquinas discussion?

I am not. So you’re not a Christian but spend your days debating Christianity…why?

Not debating and not spending my days

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

Same reason they believe God helped them breathe, walk, shoot the winning goal, etc.

And it makes them feel special. God helped ME win and let YOU lose.

When people pray to God, it’s an expression and affirmation of their personal relationship with God. It’s not about you, or anyone else. Praying to God is personal.

I do pray for those I know that have asked for prayer or for people in my life that are facing hardship or struggle. I lift them up in prayer.

However praying for strength in our lives doesn’t mean we are praying for others to “lose.”

Who taught you that prayer works like that? Were you also taught you can pray for harm to befall others? Or you could pray that someone you dislike will die?

Prayer is spiritual communication between man and God, a two-way relationship in which man should not only talk to God but also listen to Him.

Main character syndrome means you think you are the most important person in every situation and the focus of everything. You believe oddly that people are praying for you to lose or come to harm- and it is paranoia on your part.

Of course people who don’t understand God may pray for the death of others, they may pray they will marry a movie star, they may pray they become rich/successful/powerful. They can pray for literally anything they desire. But prayer isn’t a child’s wish list for goodies and treats. It’s a lifelong relationship with God.

I believe the misconceptions and false information posted here stems from ignorance and sometimes purposeful misinformation. Don’t ever make decisions about anything based on an anonymous comment here.

Prayer is about your personal relationship with God.

As someone who competed in college level athletics- winning was great. Top of the world feeling. However one must understand one will not always win.

The competition is something that is thrilling and rewarding- and even if you or your team lose, the sport is something you learn to respect and appreciate on it’s own. You respect the skill and strength of your competition. You respect and appreciate the experience and dedication of your coaches/coaching staff. You are grateful your family supports your efforts. Etc.

Maybe from a child’s mind, sporting events are all about winning and losing. Professional sports are definitely about winning and losing and the millions of dollars people make from the franchise and the merchandise sold.

But as people (hopefully) grow and mature and learn, athletic competition can be a great way to learn about life.

It’s obvious the eternally and obsessively online people here never had a chance to experience such things, and don’t understand there is more to athletics/sports than winning and losing.

Of course, you have to believe in God -- that there's some superior being actually hearing your prayers -- to make them meaningful.

Also, the holier-than-thou tone of the above post about prayer doesn't help give the message across that prayer is a good thing.

Lots of people posting here do not believe in God but like telling people who do believe in God how prayer works. Makes no sense.

The above is not holier than thou; it’s my perspective. It’s at least a better comment than someone who doesn’t believe in God telling people they “only want to win” if they pray about their athletic ability and sports events.

Your perspective is holier than thou. Please keep in mind that many non-believers know a lot about praying, because they used to pray themselves when they were believers.

+1

I don’t think the non-believers know anything about prayer because they only talk about it in a bad way. Obviously biased atheists and anti-theists.

If talking about prayer "in a bad way" means talking about it as if you expect your prayers to be answered, then I, an atheist, formerly Christian, agree.

Lots of people pray for emotional strength and support. Not just to ask God for a new car.

Are you saying that some prayers are more worthy of being answered?

I am not God, that would be His decision.

Are you a Christian?

How do you know that God decides what prayers should be answered? When I was a christian, I didn't learn that God decided which prayers were worthy of answering.

Are you the Christian who bowed out of the Aquinas discussion?

I am not. So you’re not a Christian but spend your days debating Christianity…why?

Not debating and not spending my days

So when you were a Christian, what dod you learn about God answering prayers? Genuinely curious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

Same reason they believe God helped them breathe, walk, shoot the winning goal, etc.

And it makes them feel special. God helped ME win and let YOU lose.

I believe you are (perhaps intentionally) misinterpreting their prayers (and belittling them). God isn't "picking a winner" nor is their prayer asking for that. If a player believes that following the path of their religion and focusing their thoughts on prayer helps them to be the best they can be in practice and on the field (and it is easy to see how that could help an individual), and that helped their team to win, they can thank God for that. That doesn't mean God picked the other team to lose. Speaking in terms like that ("God let you lose") simply shows that you are being obtusely literal and do not understand what God is and is not to a religious person. It's rather childish.