s/o ideological politics of MoCo

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Many Dems oppose DEI because we know that most DEI is, at best, grift + lip service and, at its worst, racist and exclusionary. We also see "dEfUnD tHe PoLicE" as a terrible idea. Reform good. Defund bad. We also know that "spending on programs" is a great way to grow a non-profit or branch of government but a terrible way to actually make people's lives better. If you don't know these things, you should expand your conversations beyond fellow shoppers at the Takoma Park Co-op.

Agree 100%. What is missing here that much of the TP political leadership has never had a real job.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Exactly.

We need to continue defunding the police and increase spending on programs that help people with less.

#BlackLivesMatter

You know what defunding police gives the community? More violent crime that impacts people of color, almost exclusively. You get to preach your feel-good BLM but you are actually hurting Black lives.

Don't forget, racism is not about intent. I'm sure your intent is good. Racism is about impact. And the impact of defunding the police has been racist. The massive reduction in street crime from the mid-90s til about 2015 actually increased Black men's average life span. It's shrinking again, because yet again, Black men are the most common victims of gun violence.

"Black Americans made up 13.6% of the US population in 2022 and 54.1% of the victims of murder."
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-09-14/where-it-s-most-dangerous-to-be-black-in-america

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Exactly.

We need to continue defunding the police and increase spending on programs that help people with less.

#BlackLivesMatter

You know what defunding police gives the community? More violent crime that impacts people of color, almost exclusively. You get to preach your feel-good BLM but you are actually hurting Black lives.

Don't forget, racism is not about intent. I'm sure your intent is good. Racism is about impact. And the impact of defunding the police has been racist. The massive reduction in street crime from the mid-90s til about 2015 actually increased Black men's average life span. It's shrinking again, because yet again, Black men are the most common victims of gun violence.

"Black Americans made up 13.6% of the US population in 2022 and 54.1% of the victims of murder."
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-09-14/where-it-s-most-dangerous-to-be-black-in-america

Thank you! Going soft on crime means more black people will get hurt and die! How is that honoring the sentiment of #BlackLivesMatter?

The defund the police don’t care about the well-being of black people. They just want to use us to accomplish their anti-police agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Many Dems oppose DEI because we know that most DEI is, at best, grift + lip service and, at its worst, racist and exclusionary. We also see "dEfUnD tHe PoLicE" as a terrible idea. Reform good. Defund bad. We also know that "spending on programs" is a great way to grow a non-profit or branch of government but a terrible way to actually make people's lives better. If you don't know these things, you should expand your conversations beyond fellow shoppers at the Takoma Park Co-op.

+100

I live in TPK and agree.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Alternative explanation: the elected officials in Montgomery County are not actually "woke progressives."

The questions I keep asking and no one (except Jeff) can answer is this: how many people, total, are repetitively posting this bonkers stuff on DCUM, and where do they actually live? I'm guessing that it's fewer than 5 people, total.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Alternative explanation: the elected officials in Montgomery County are not actually "woke progressives."

The questions I keep asking and no one (except Jeff) can answer is this: how many people, total, are repetitively posting this bonkers stuff on DCUM, and where do they actually live? I'm guessing that it's fewer than 5 people, total.

MCPS allows males to play girls' sports and use their bathrooms and locker rooms. That's woke. The county council passed a social justice policy. That's woke. MCPS's mantra is equity. That's woke. And I'm a Democrat.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Alternative explanation: the elected officials in Montgomery County are not actually "woke progressives."

The questions I keep asking and no one (except Jeff) can answer is this: how many people, total, are repetitively posting this bonkers stuff on DCUM, and where do they actually live? I'm guessing that it's fewer than 5 people, total.

MCPS allows males to play girls' sports and use their bathrooms and locker rooms. That's woke. The county council passed a social justice policy. That's woke. MCPS's mantra is equity. That's woke. And I'm a Democrat.

And I'm Marie of Roumania.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Upcounty barely votes. Silver Spring, Kensington, Garrett Park, and Bethesda vote like their lives depend on it.

If upcounty came out to vote in anywhere near the same percentages, we'd have moderates in office. Dawn Luedtke and Marilyn Balcombe are proof. But they are here because they are district Councilmembers. Upcounty won't see an at-large moderate until they actually get off their butts and vote.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Alternative explanation: the elected officials in Montgomery County are not actually "woke progressives."

The questions I keep asking and no one (except Jeff) can answer is this: how many people, total, are repetitively posting this bonkers stuff on DCUM, and where do they actually live? I'm guessing that it's fewer than 5 people, total.

MCPS allows males to play girls' sports and use their bathrooms and locker rooms. That's woke. The county council passed a social justice policy. That's woke. MCPS's mantra is equity. That's woke. And I'm a Democrat.

And I'm Marie of Roumania.

Are you ignorant of these policies or do you know they exist but think they are normal (not woke)?

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Upcounty barely votes. Silver Spring, Kensington, Garrett Park, and Bethesda vote like their lives depend on it.

If upcounty came out to vote in anywhere near the same percentages, we'd have moderates in office. Dawn Luedtke and Marilyn Balcombe are proof. But they are here because they are district Councilmembers. Upcounty won't see an at-large moderate until they actually get off their butts and vote.

Albornoz is a moderate. Laurie-Anne Sayles is a moderate, and upcounty to boot. That's 2 out of 4 at-large candidates.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Upcounty barely votes. Silver Spring, Kensington, Garrett Park, and Bethesda vote like their lives depend on it.

If upcounty came out to vote in anywhere near the same percentages, we'd have moderates in office. Dawn Luedtke and Marilyn Balcombe are proof. But they are here because they are district Councilmembers. Upcounty won't see an at-large moderate until they actually get off their butts and vote.

It can't just be upcountry though. Normal people are everywhere. Again, what percent of MoCo is woke to the point of Kristin Mink-level insanity? 10? 20%? It can't be that high can it?

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Anonymous wrote:This is not another “omg Montgomery County is dying from communism” thread.

I am more curious from the birds-eye view standpoint as how MoCo became in the last 20 or so years so ideologically distinct from the rest of the region which is pretty mainstream and moderate. Previously, MoCo elected Connie Morella Republicans and Doug Duncan Democrats, as someone mentioned in another thread. How did we go from that to electing Marc Elrich, Kristin Mink, and Will Jawando?

You can say there is a less White and more diverse electorate, but that does not mean more progressive. Usually people of color vote for moderate Democrats, not progressives. You can also say it’s the dominance of Takoma Park/Silver Spring activists, but why? Why doesn’t the rest of the county outvote them? And what draws more left leaning people to places like downtown Silver Spring anyway? Is it some kind of self sorting like people with left wing views move here or is it a highly successful effort to drown out more moderate voices?

Your premise is faulty. There aren't any more "Connie Morella" Republicans. The Republicans got rid of them. Meanwhile, on the County Council: Friedson, Balcombe, Katz, Sayles, Luedtke, Albornoz, and Sayles.

The Democrats got rid of Morella by rezoning her district so Van Hollen could win.

The Republicans in Montgomery County could run "Connie Morella" Republicans, if they could find any. So, why don't they?

Because they would lose.

This life long Democrat has started to vote Republican in Maryland state elections, especially when there is a reasonable candidate. I voted for Hogan and then Moore.

Would you vote for a local Republican who is pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pro-environment, anti-trump, while anti tax-and-spend and pro-police and against substanceless DEI initiatives?

DP. In Montgomery County, we call those people Democrats. They run as Democrats, and Montgomery County voters elect them as Democrats. OP's issue isn't with Montgomery County voters, it's with the county, state, and national Republican parties.

Sorry, but anyone who stands in opposition to DEI measures and programs, is for status-quo with regards to police funding or opposes massive police reforms, or opposes spending on programs that help those with less, is NOT a Democrat in my eyes. Those are just another flavor of republican. Just because they oppose trump doesn’t mean they’re not scum.

Life long Democrat here. And I guess a scum also.

Same..I guess I’m scum.

Or just not irrational and lives in La La land.

So the question I keep asking and no one can answer is this: if everyone from moderate, rational Dems all the way over to the far right think woke progressives make bad leaders, how does MoCo keep electing them? What percent of MoCo is actually woke and insane, 10%?

Upcounty barely votes. Silver Spring, Kensington, Garrett Park, and Bethesda vote like their lives depend on it.

If upcounty came out to vote in anywhere near the same percentages, we'd have moderates in office. Dawn Luedtke and Marilyn Balcombe are proof. But they are here because they are district Councilmembers. Upcounty won't see an at-large moderate until they actually get off their butts and vote.

It can't just be upcountry though. Normal people are everywhere. Again, what percent of MoCo is woke to the point of Kristin Mink-level insanity? 10? 20%? It can't be that high can it?

You need to re-examine your assumptions.