s/o ideological politics of MoCo

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you do know that the more educated a person is, the more likely they are to vote as a Democrat? Look it it. Voting patterns largely line-up with education level.

I don't think anyone is complaining about voting Democrat. It's voting ultra-progressive that is a problem. And that is just a segment of the Democratic spectrum. About 12% of the registered party (nationally).

Nobody on the County Council is "ultra-progressive", not even your bugaboos.

Come on man. Kristin Mink is as far-left and insane as it gets.

You should be grateful to Kristin Mink. Otherwise you'd be stuck trying to persuade people that Sidney Katz is as far-left and insane as it gets, which would be even more preposterous.

This PP illustrates the information that the OP needs. The politics here are so one-sided that people continue to one-up each other, not even realizing how extreme they are. Yes, to most normal people, this is very progressive. People who are repulsed by the politics start to move and the Overton Window shifts even further to the left.

Katz is very moderate but very prone to shifting far left if pushed by popular opinion. He immediately and completely caved on rent control, for example.

I don't think you can be "very moderate" and also "very prone to shifting far left." If you care about that appearance, you are not moderate.

I get what PP is saying though. I think a lot of moderate Dems (and I am one) support or pretend to support leftist insanity because we believe that to be good Democrats we must "be kind" at all cost, even an the expense of reason, sanity, and the truth. Take MCPS allowing males to play girls' sports if they simply say they are girls. I can't find anyone who supports this in private yet almost on one will speak out against this in public. That's crazy.

So moderates are people without integrity?

What?

Do you read before commenting? PP said "I can't find anyone who supports this in private yet almost on one will speak out against this in public."

I'm the PP who said that. I don't understand what that has to do with integrity. Is PP (or you?) saying that people don't have integrity of they don't speak out against things they don't like? While I'm with you in spirit, MoCo has a lot of wokes who work tirelessly to ruin your life if you speak out against woke insanity. Look what happened to Stephen Austin. All he did was say he didn't think kids should be bussed out of their neighborhood schools and then ran for school board. The wokes ran him out of town.

Well, you could give the man some credit for agency as an adult: he didn't like where he was living, so he chose to move.

Or you could make him a victim. Poor, pitiful Steve Austin, everyone was so mean to him that he had to move to Frederick County to do his continued trolling of Montgomery County!

My point was that there's an element of MoCo progressives that are so insane and hateful, they'll make someone's life miserable for expressing a normal, rational point held by most. This is a big problem in MoCo.

There might be, but your example does not make that point. Steve Austin purported to express "normal, rational points held by most" in his campaign, but that's not actually what he was doing, the voters saw through his claims and rejected him, and his subsequent actions make it perfectly plain that the stuff he said in his campaign about holding "normal, rational" opinions was objectively incorrect.

On the other hand, yes, he does like to claim to be a victim; that was also clear in his campaign.

Austin didn't want busing. The boundary analysis showed that 95% of the county doesn't want busing either. Therefore, not wanting your kids bussed to a school farther from home just to make white progressives feel virtuous is a normal, rational opinion held by most.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you do know that the more educated a person is, the more likely they are to vote as a Democrat? Look it it. Voting patterns largely line-up with education level.

I don't think anyone is complaining about voting Democrat. It's voting ultra-progressive that is a problem. And that is just a segment of the Democratic spectrum. About 12% of the registered party (nationally).

Nobody on the County Council is "ultra-progressive", not even your bugaboos.

Come on man. Kristin Mink is as far-left and insane as it gets.

You should be grateful to Kristin Mink. Otherwise you'd be stuck trying to persuade people that Sidney Katz is as far-left and insane as it gets, which would be even more preposterous.

This PP illustrates the information that the OP needs. The politics here are so one-sided that people continue to one-up each other, not even realizing how extreme they are. Yes, to most normal people, this is very progressive. People who are repulsed by the politics start to move and the Overton Window shifts even further to the left.

Katz is very moderate but very prone to shifting far left if pushed by popular opinion. He immediately and completely caved on rent control, for example.

I don't think you can be "very moderate" and also "very prone to shifting far left." If you care about that appearance, you are not moderate.

I get what PP is saying though. I think a lot of moderate Dems (and I am one) support or pretend to support leftist insanity because we believe that to be good Democrats we must "be kind" at all cost, even an the expense of reason, sanity, and the truth. Take MCPS allowing males to play girls' sports if they simply say they are girls. I can't find anyone who supports this in private yet almost on one will speak out against this in public. That's crazy.

So moderates are people without integrity?

What?

Do you read before commenting? PP said "I can't find anyone who supports this in private yet almost on one will speak out against this in public."

I'm the PP who said that. I don't understand what that has to do with integrity. Is PP (or you?) saying that people don't have integrity of they don't speak out against things they don't like? While I'm with you in spirit, MoCo has a lot of wokes who work tirelessly to ruin your life if you speak out against woke insanity. Look what happened to Stephen Austin. All he did was say he didn't think kids should be bussed out of their neighborhood schools and then ran for school board. The wokes ran him out of town.

Well, you could give the man some credit for agency as an adult: he didn't like where he was living, so he chose to move.

Or you could make him a victim. Poor, pitiful Steve Austin, everyone was so mean to him that he had to move to Frederick County to do his continued trolling of Montgomery County!

My point was that there's an element of MoCo progressives that are so insane and hateful, they'll make someone's life miserable for expressing a normal, rational point held by most. This is a big problem in MoCo.

There might be, but your example does not make that point. Steve Austin purported to express "normal, rational points held by most" in his campaign, but that's not actually what he was doing, the voters saw through his claims and rejected him, and his subsequent actions make it perfectly plain that the stuff he said in his campaign about holding "normal, rational" opinions was objectively incorrect.

On the other hand, yes, he does like to claim to be a victim; that was also clear in his campaign.

Austin didn't want busing. The boundary analysis showed that 95% of the county doesn't want busing either. Therefore, not wanting your kids bussed to a school farther from home just to make white progressives feel virtuous is a normal, rational opinion held by most.

The voters didn't buy this in 2020, and events have proved them right.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you do know that the more educated a person is, the more likely they are to vote as a Democrat? Look it it. Voting patterns largely line-up with education level.

I don't think anyone is complaining about voting Democrat. It's voting ultra-progressive that is a problem. And that is just a segment of the Democratic spectrum. About 12% of the registered party (nationally).

Nobody on the County Council is "ultra-progressive", not even your bugaboos.

Come on man. Kristin Mink is as far-left and insane as it gets.

You should be grateful to Kristin Mink. Otherwise you'd be stuck trying to persuade people that Sidney Katz is as far-left and insane as it gets, which would be even more preposterous.

This PP illustrates the information that the OP needs. The politics here are so one-sided that people continue to one-up each other, not even realizing how extreme they are. Yes, to most normal people, this is very progressive. People who are repulsed by the politics start to move and the Overton Window shifts even further to the left.

Katz is very moderate but very prone to shifting far left if pushed by popular opinion. He immediately and completely caved on rent control, for example.

I don't think you can be "very moderate" and also "very prone to shifting far left." If you care about that appearance, you are not moderate.

I get what PP is saying though. I think a lot of moderate Dems (and I am one) support or pretend to support leftist insanity because we believe that to be good Democrats we must "be kind" at all cost, even an the expense of reason, sanity, and the truth. Take MCPS allowing males to play girls' sports if they simply say they are girls. I can't find anyone who supports this in private yet almost on one will speak out against this in public. That's crazy.

So moderates are people without integrity?

What?

Do you read before commenting? PP said "I can't find anyone who supports this in private yet almost on one will speak out against this in public."

I'm the PP who said that. I don't understand what that has to do with integrity. Is PP (or you?) saying that people don't have integrity of they don't speak out against things they don't like? While I'm with you in spirit, MoCo has a lot of wokes who work tirelessly to ruin your life if you speak out against woke insanity. Look what happened to Stephen Austin. All he did was say he didn't think kids should be bussed out of their neighborhood schools and then ran for school board. The wokes ran him out of town.

Well, you could give the man some credit for agency as an adult: he didn't like where he was living, so he chose to move.

Or you could make him a victim. Poor, pitiful Steve Austin, everyone was so mean to him that he had to move to Frederick County to do his continued trolling of Montgomery County!

My point was that there's an element of MoCo progressives that are so insane and hateful, they'll make someone's life miserable for expressing a normal, rational point held by most. This is a big problem in MoCo.

There might be, but your example does not make that point. Steve Austin purported to express "normal, rational points held by most" in his campaign, but that's not actually what he was doing, the voters saw through his claims and rejected him, and his subsequent actions make it perfectly plain that the stuff he said in his campaign about holding "normal, rational" opinions was objectively incorrect.

On the other hand, yes, he does like to claim to be a victim; that was also clear in his campaign.

Austin didn't want busing. The boundary analysis showed that 95% of the county doesn't want busing either. Therefore, not wanting your kids bussed to a school farther from home just to make white progressives feel virtuous is a normal, rational opinion held by most.

The voters didn't buy this in 2020, and events have proved them right.

Buy what?