TJ Decisions are Out

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Except for 1 PP who keeps trying to argue otherwise, most people understand this. It’s just a difference of opinion about whether that change is a good thing or not. On my view I think it is so a small handful of MSs aren’t getting the overwhelming share of seats still.

You mean the 1 poster who pushes this elitist narrative by sock puppets their own posts? Most of us are aware that intelligence isn't limited to the wealthiest schools but the privilege is...

DP. I think a lot of us realize that you constantly push a very one-sided narrative for political reasons that have little to do with which students have the most STEM aptitude. It’s all clowns like Scott Surovell, Ricardy Anderson, and Karen Corbett Sanders have ever brought to the table - they do nothing to improve the other schools in their districts, but they’re great at stoking class-based resentment and anti-Asian bias.

Even more of us realize you've been constantly pushing this narrative to stoke grievances based on false assumptions. Believing that the best and brightest are only at the most affluent schools is nonsense. If left to you, advantaged students would gain outsized access to these programs because money matters more than merit.

The record shows that School Board members openly talked about “redefining merit” to get the results they felt would best serve their political agendas.

Provide a citation for this. I don't buy it.

https://defendinged.org/incidents/tjpapers/

It looks like this was cherry picked and presented out of context to create a false narrative.

Curious, since the biggest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Except for 1 PP who keeps trying to argue otherwise, most people understand this. It’s just a difference of opinion about whether that change is a good thing or not. On my view I think it is so a small handful of MSs aren’t getting the overwhelming share of seats still.

You mean the 1 poster who pushes this elitist narrative by sock puppets their own posts? Most of us are aware that intelligence isn't limited to the wealthiest schools but the privilege is...

DP. I think a lot of us realize that you constantly push a very one-sided narrative for political reasons that have little to do with which students have the most STEM aptitude. It’s all clowns like Scott Surovell, Ricardy Anderson, and Karen Corbett Sanders have ever brought to the table - they do nothing to improve the other schools in their districts, but they’re great at stoking class-based resentment and anti-Asian bias.

Even more of us realize you've been constantly pushing this narrative to stoke grievances based on false assumptions. Believing that the best and brightest are only at the most affluent schools is nonsense. If left to you, advantaged students would gain outsized access to these programs because money matters more than merit.

The record shows that School Board members openly talked about “redefining merit” to get the results they felt would best serve their political agendas.

Provide a citation for this. I don't buy it.

https://defendinged.org/incidents/tjpapers/

It looks like this was cherry picked and presented out of context to create a false narrative.

Curious, since the biggest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians.

Should be latino

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Except for 1 PP who keeps trying to argue otherwise, most people understand this. It’s just a difference of opinion about whether that change is a good thing or not. On my view I think it is so a small handful of MSs aren’t getting the overwhelming share of seats still.

You mean the 1 poster who pushes this elitist narrative by sock puppets their own posts? Most of us are aware that intelligence isn't limited to the wealthiest schools but the privilege is...

DP. I think a lot of us realize that you constantly push a very one-sided narrative for political reasons that have little to do with which students have the most STEM aptitude. It’s all clowns like Scott Surovell, Ricardy Anderson, and Karen Corbett Sanders have ever brought to the table - they do nothing to improve the other schools in their districts, but they’re great at stoking class-based resentment and anti-Asian bias.

Even more of us realize you've been constantly pushing this narrative to stoke grievances based on false assumptions. Believing that the best and brightest are only at the most affluent schools is nonsense. If left to you, advantaged students would gain outsized access to these programs because money matters more than merit.

The record shows that School Board members openly talked about “redefining merit” to get the results they felt would best serve their political agendas.

Provide a citation for this. I don't buy it.

https://defendinged.org/incidents/tjpapers/

It looks like this was cherry picked and presented out of context to create a false narrative.

Curious, since the biggest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians.

Should be latino

That group went up from like 2% to 3% but I heard the growth in low-income Asians was much greater.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Except for 1 PP who keeps trying to argue otherwise, most people understand this. It’s just a difference of opinion about whether that change is a good thing or not. On my view I think it is so a small handful of MSs aren’t getting the overwhelming share of seats still.

You mean the 1 poster who pushes this elitist narrative by sock puppets their own posts? Most of us are aware that intelligence isn't limited to the wealthiest schools but the privilege is...

DP. I think a lot of us realize that you constantly push a very one-sided narrative for political reasons that have little to do with which students have the most STEM aptitude. It’s all clowns like Scott Surovell, Ricardy Anderson, and Karen Corbett Sanders have ever brought to the table - they do nothing to improve the other schools in their districts, but they’re great at stoking class-based resentment and anti-Asian bias.

Even more of us realize you've been constantly pushing this narrative to stoke grievances based on false assumptions. Believing that the best and brightest are only at the most affluent schools is nonsense. If left to you, advantaged students would gain outsized access to these programs because money matters more than merit.

The record shows that School Board members openly talked about “redefining merit” to get the results they felt would best serve their political agendas.

Provide a citation for this. I don't buy it.

https://defendinged.org/incidents/tjpapers/

It looks like this was cherry picked and presented out of context to create a false narrative.

Curious, since the biggest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians.

Should be latino

That group went up from like 2% to 3% but I heard the growth in low-income Asians was much greater.

then how many % went up for asian

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Except for 1 PP who keeps trying to argue otherwise, most people understand this. It’s just a difference of opinion about whether that change is a good thing or not. On my view I think it is so a small handful of MSs aren’t getting the overwhelming share of seats still.

You mean the 1 poster who pushes this elitist narrative by sock puppets their own posts? Most of us are aware that intelligence isn't limited to the wealthiest schools but the privilege is...

DP. I think a lot of us realize that you constantly push a very one-sided narrative for political reasons that have little to do with which students have the most STEM aptitude. It’s all clowns like Scott Surovell, Ricardy Anderson, and Karen Corbett Sanders have ever brought to the table - they do nothing to improve the other schools in their districts, but they’re great at stoking class-based resentment and anti-Asian bias.

Even more of us realize you've been constantly pushing this narrative to stoke grievances based on false assumptions. Believing that the best and brightest are only at the most affluent schools is nonsense. If left to you, advantaged students would gain outsized access to these programs because money matters more than merit.

The record shows that School Board members openly talked about “redefining merit” to get the results they felt would best serve their political agendas.

They talked about redefining merit because the existing definition of merit, in Northern Virginia, tracked too closely with wealth and privilege.

There is this pernicious idea out there that standardized exams somehow measure merit on a completely race and demographic-blind basis, and they simply don't.

The new admissions process has a long way to go to get right - starting with eliminating the scored rubric in favor of an ACTUAL holistic evaluation and the reintroduction of teacher recommendations as a part of the process - but it is absolutely a step in the right direction based on the slowly improving climate of the school.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Except for 1 PP who keeps trying to argue otherwise, most people understand this. It’s just a difference of opinion about whether that change is a good thing or not. On my view I think it is so a small handful of MSs aren’t getting the overwhelming share of seats still.

You mean the 1 poster who pushes this elitist narrative by sock puppets their own posts? Most of us are aware that intelligence isn't limited to the wealthiest schools but the privilege is...

DP. I think a lot of us realize that you constantly push a very one-sided narrative for political reasons that have little to do with which students have the most STEM aptitude. It’s all clowns like Scott Surovell, Ricardy Anderson, and Karen Corbett Sanders have ever brought to the table - they do nothing to improve the other schools in their districts, but they’re great at stoking class-based resentment and anti-Asian bias.

Even more of us realize you've been constantly pushing this narrative to stoke grievances based on false assumptions. Believing that the best and brightest are only at the most affluent schools is nonsense. If left to you, advantaged students would gain outsized access to these programs because money matters more than merit.

The record shows that School Board members openly talked about “redefining merit” to get the results they felt would best serve their political agendas.

Provide a citation for this. I don't buy it.

https://defendinged.org/incidents/tjpapers/

It looks like this was cherry picked and presented out of context to create a false narrative.

Curious, since the biggest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians.

Should be latino

That group went up from like 2% to 3% but I heard the growth in low-income Asians was much greater.

With regard to the class of 2025, the percentage of Hispanic students went from about 4% to about 11%. The percentage of Black students went from less than 1% to about 7%. And the number of low-income Asians went from too small to report (meaning less than ten) to 36.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Except for 1 PP who keeps trying to argue otherwise, most people understand this. It’s just a difference of opinion about whether that change is a good thing or not. On my view I think it is so a small handful of MSs aren’t getting the overwhelming share of seats still.

You mean the 1 poster who pushes this elitist narrative by sock puppets their own posts? Most of us are aware that intelligence isn't limited to the wealthiest schools but the privilege is...

DP. I think a lot of us realize that you constantly push a very one-sided narrative for political reasons that have little to do with which students have the most STEM aptitude. It’s all clowns like Scott Surovell, Ricardy Anderson, and Karen Corbett Sanders have ever brought to the table - they do nothing to improve the other schools in their districts, but they’re great at stoking class-based resentment and anti-Asian bias.

Even more of us realize you've been constantly pushing this narrative to stoke grievances based on false assumptions. Believing that the best and brightest are only at the most affluent schools is nonsense. If left to you, advantaged students would gain outsized access to these programs because money matters more than merit.

The record shows that School Board members openly talked about “redefining merit” to get the results they felt would best serve their political agendas.

They talked about redefining merit because the existing definition of merit, in Northern Virginia, tracked too closely with wealth and privilege.

There is this pernicious idea out there that standardized exams somehow measure merit on a completely race and demographic-blind basis, and they simply don't.

The new admissions process has a long way to go to get right - starting with eliminating the scored rubric in favor of an ACTUAL holistic evaluation and the reintroduction of teacher recommendations as a part of the process - but it is absolutely a step in the right direction based on the slowly improving climate of the school.

I just saw all these complaints in the AAP thread specifically about teacher recommendations and how one bad teacher could negatively impact a kids life. Not sure this is a good idea especially because they're so biased and unreliable.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Except for 1 PP who keeps trying to argue otherwise, most people understand this. It’s just a difference of opinion about whether that change is a good thing or not. On my view I think it is so a small handful of MSs aren’t getting the overwhelming share of seats still.

You mean the 1 poster who pushes this elitist narrative by sock puppets their own posts? Most of us are aware that intelligence isn't limited to the wealthiest schools but the privilege is...

DP. I think a lot of us realize that you constantly push a very one-sided narrative for political reasons that have little to do with which students have the most STEM aptitude. It’s all clowns like Scott Surovell, Ricardy Anderson, and Karen Corbett Sanders have ever brought to the table - they do nothing to improve the other schools in their districts, but they’re great at stoking class-based resentment and anti-Asian bias.

Even more of us realize you've been constantly pushing this narrative to stoke grievances based on false assumptions. Believing that the best and brightest are only at the most affluent schools is nonsense. If left to you, advantaged students would gain outsized access to these programs because money matters more than merit.

The record shows that School Board members openly talked about “redefining merit” to get the results they felt would best serve their political agendas.

Provide a citation for this. I don't buy it.

https://defendinged.org/incidents/tjpapers/

It looks like this was cherry picked and presented out of context to create a false narrative.

Curious, since the biggest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians.

Should be latino

That group went up from like 2% to 3% but I heard the growth in low-income Asians was much greater.

With regard to the class of 2025, the percentage of Hispanic students went from about 4% to about 11%. The percentage of Black students went from less than 1% to about 7%. And the number of low-income Asians went from too small to report (meaning less than ten) to 36.

But the number of Asians is still above 60% right?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Except for 1 PP who keeps trying to argue otherwise, most people understand this. It’s just a difference of opinion about whether that change is a good thing or not. On my view I think it is so a small handful of MSs aren’t getting the overwhelming share of seats still.

You mean the 1 poster who pushes this elitist narrative by sock puppets their own posts? Most of us are aware that intelligence isn't limited to the wealthiest schools but the privilege is...

DP. I think a lot of us realize that you constantly push a very one-sided narrative for political reasons that have little to do with which students have the most STEM aptitude. It’s all clowns like Scott Surovell, Ricardy Anderson, and Karen Corbett Sanders have ever brought to the table - they do nothing to improve the other schools in their districts, but they’re great at stoking class-based resentment and anti-Asian bias.

Even more of us realize you've been constantly pushing this narrative to stoke grievances based on false assumptions. Believing that the best and brightest are only at the most affluent schools is nonsense. If left to you, advantaged students would gain outsized access to these programs because money matters more than merit.

The record shows that School Board members openly talked about “redefining merit” to get the results they felt would best serve their political agendas.

They talked about redefining merit because the existing definition of merit, in Northern Virginia, tracked too closely with wealth and privilege.

There is this pernicious idea out there that standardized exams somehow measure merit on a completely race and demographic-blind basis, and they simply don't.

The new admissions process has a long way to go to get right - starting with eliminating the scored rubric in favor of an ACTUAL holistic evaluation and the reintroduction of teacher recommendations as a part of the process - but it is absolutely a step in the right direction based on the slowly improving climate of the school.

I just saw all these complaints in the AAP thread specifically about teacher recommendations and how one bad teacher could negatively impact a kids life. Not sure this is a good idea especially because they're so biased and unreliable.

The disconnect is that for AAP, the teacher recommendation is the end-all-and-be-all, whereas for TJ, it's not present at all. In both cases, a teacher recommendation would be useful as part of a holistic package that truly is viewed holistically and not overly weighted or not at all considered.

Also, middle school math and science teachers would be much more reliable witnesses than 2nd grade teachers. They've seen so many more kids over the course of their careers and would have a much better read on whether a kid is above and beyond.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Except for 1 PP who keeps trying to argue otherwise, most people understand this. It’s just a difference of opinion about whether that change is a good thing or not. On my view I think it is so a small handful of MSs aren’t getting the overwhelming share of seats still.

You mean the 1 poster who pushes this elitist narrative by sock puppets their own posts? Most of us are aware that intelligence isn't limited to the wealthiest schools but the privilege is...

DP. I think a lot of us realize that you constantly push a very one-sided narrative for political reasons that have little to do with which students have the most STEM aptitude. It’s all clowns like Scott Surovell, Ricardy Anderson, and Karen Corbett Sanders have ever brought to the table - they do nothing to improve the other schools in their districts, but they’re great at stoking class-based resentment and anti-Asian bias.

Even more of us realize you've been constantly pushing this narrative to stoke grievances based on false assumptions. Believing that the best and brightest are only at the most affluent schools is nonsense. If left to you, advantaged students would gain outsized access to these programs because money matters more than merit.

The record shows that School Board members openly talked about “redefining merit” to get the results they felt would best serve their political agendas.

Provide a citation for this. I don't buy it.

https://defendinged.org/incidents/tjpapers/

It looks like this was cherry picked and presented out of context to create a false narrative.

Curious, since the biggest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians.

Should be latino

That group went up from like 2% to 3% but I heard the growth in low-income Asians was much greater.

btw, how can we know they are low-income??

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Most of the new Hispanics at TJ are middle to upper middle class and white. You would not know they are Hispanic and many have at least one non-Hispanic white parent. Many of the Black students are middle to upper middle class children of African or Caribbean immigrants. I don't think this is what the school board had in mind.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Except for 1 PP who keeps trying to argue otherwise, most people understand this. It’s just a difference of opinion about whether that change is a good thing or not. On my view I think it is so a small handful of MSs aren’t getting the overwhelming share of seats still.

You mean the 1 poster who pushes this elitist narrative by sock puppets their own posts? Most of us are aware that intelligence isn't limited to the wealthiest schools but the privilege is...

DP. I think a lot of us realize that you constantly push a very one-sided narrative for political reasons that have little to do with which students have the most STEM aptitude. It’s all clowns like Scott Surovell, Ricardy Anderson, and Karen Corbett Sanders have ever brought to the table - they do nothing to improve the other schools in their districts, but they’re great at stoking class-based resentment and anti-Asian bias.

Even more of us realize you've been constantly pushing this narrative to stoke grievances based on false assumptions. Believing that the best and brightest are only at the most affluent schools is nonsense. If left to you, advantaged students would gain outsized access to these programs because money matters more than merit.

The record shows that School Board members openly talked about “redefining merit” to get the results they felt would best serve their political agendas.

Provide a citation for this. I don't buy it.

https://defendinged.org/incidents/tjpapers/

It looks like this was cherry picked and presented out of context to create a false narrative.

Curious, since the biggest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians.

Should be latino

That group went up from like 2% to 3% but I heard the growth in low-income Asians was much greater.

With regard to the class of 2025, the percentage of Hispanic students went from about 4% to about 11%. The percentage of Black students went from less than 1% to about 7%. And the number of low-income Asians went from too small to report (meaning less than ten) to 36.

But the number of Asians is still above 60% right?

Across the total school, yes, as the Classes of 2023 and 2024 were selected by the previous admissions process. It will probably drop to slightly below 60% - but still above 55% - when the Classes of 2027 and 2028 and beyond are admitted and matriculate.

At this point, the only demographic that remains overrepresented at TJ is South Asians, and wildly so. Even East and Southeast Asians are underrepresented at TJ at this point relative to their share of the overall catchment area.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Except for 1 PP who keeps trying to argue otherwise, most people understand this. It’s just a difference of opinion about whether that change is a good thing or not. On my view I think it is so a small handful of MSs aren’t getting the overwhelming share of seats still.

You mean the 1 poster who pushes this elitist narrative by sock puppets their own posts? Most of us are aware that intelligence isn't limited to the wealthiest schools but the privilege is...

DP. I think a lot of us realize that you constantly push a very one-sided narrative for political reasons that have little to do with which students have the most STEM aptitude. It’s all clowns like Scott Surovell, Ricardy Anderson, and Karen Corbett Sanders have ever brought to the table - they do nothing to improve the other schools in their districts, but they’re great at stoking class-based resentment and anti-Asian bias.

Even more of us realize you've been constantly pushing this narrative to stoke grievances based on false assumptions. Believing that the best and brightest are only at the most affluent schools is nonsense. If left to you, advantaged students would gain outsized access to these programs because money matters more than merit.

The record shows that School Board members openly talked about “redefining merit” to get the results they felt would best serve their political agendas.

They talked about redefining merit because the existing definition of merit, in Northern Virginia, tracked too closely with wealth and privilege.

There is this pernicious idea out there that standardized exams somehow measure merit on a completely race and demographic-blind basis, and they simply don't.

The new admissions process has a long way to go to get right - starting with eliminating the scored rubric in favor of an ACTUAL holistic evaluation and the reintroduction of teacher recommendations as a part of the process - but it is absolutely a step in the right direction based on the slowly improving climate of the school.

I just saw all these complaints in the AAP thread specifically about teacher recommendations and how one bad teacher could negatively impact a kids life. Not sure this is a good idea especially because they're so biased and unreliable.

In a properly functioning recommendation system, the student has the ability to request recommendations from their respective teachers, in much the same way as job seekers choose from whom they seek references. They should be developing relationships with their teachers during their middle school careers to where they have a pretty good idea when the time comes of whom they can and should request from.

Teacher recommendations are indeed biased - in favor of students who participate in class and contribute to the learning environment. They're biased against kids who sit around, get their A and leave without having enhanced the experience of any other students - or those who prioritize grades over learning. When it comes to selecting for an elite environment like TJ or Harvard or Yale, that's not a bad thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Except for 1 PP who keeps trying to argue otherwise, most people understand this. It’s just a difference of opinion about whether that change is a good thing or not. On my view I think it is so a small handful of MSs aren’t getting the overwhelming share of seats still.

You mean the 1 poster who pushes this elitist narrative by sock puppets their own posts? Most of us are aware that intelligence isn't limited to the wealthiest schools but the privilege is...

DP. I think a lot of us realize that you constantly push a very one-sided narrative for political reasons that have little to do with which students have the most STEM aptitude. It’s all clowns like Scott Surovell, Ricardy Anderson, and Karen Corbett Sanders have ever brought to the table - they do nothing to improve the other schools in their districts, but they’re great at stoking class-based resentment and anti-Asian bias.

Even more of us realize you've been constantly pushing this narrative to stoke grievances based on false assumptions. Believing that the best and brightest are only at the most affluent schools is nonsense. If left to you, advantaged students would gain outsized access to these programs because money matters more than merit.

The record shows that School Board members openly talked about “redefining merit” to get the results they felt would best serve their political agendas.

They talked about redefining merit because the existing definition of merit, in Northern Virginia, tracked too closely with wealth and privilege.

There is this pernicious idea out there that standardized exams somehow measure merit on a completely race and demographic-blind basis, and they simply don't.

The new admissions process has a long way to go to get right - starting with eliminating the scored rubric in favor of an ACTUAL holistic evaluation and the reintroduction of teacher recommendations as a part of the process - but it is absolutely a step in the right direction based on the slowly improving climate of the school.

The goal is to continue down this path of “redefining merit” until TJ is in essence a typical FCPS high school but can still be called a magnet because kids come from a wider area.

At some point, though, on that road to convergence, TJ may still be a good deal if your alternative is Lewis but no longer worth it if your base school is Langley or Oakton. You’ll have part of the county looking at TJ as aspirational and another looking at it with growing indifference.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the new Hispanics at TJ are middle to upper middle class and white. You would not know they are Hispanic and many have at least one non-Hispanic white parent. Many of the Black students are middle to upper middle class children of African or Caribbean immigrants. I don't think this is what the school board had in mind.

So here's the reality - in the old TJ admissions process, what you described was the case almost exclusively. Nowadays it isn't, at all. You actually have a significant chunk of Hispanic students for whom both parents are Latino and a significant chunk of African-Americans as well.