MD Student Needs Safety Options

[Anonymous]

I forgot to look at the NY schools from the Dance Magazine list-
Adelphi
Hobart and William Smith
Hofstra
Rochester
Sarah Lawrence
Vassar

[Anonymous]

Again, thank you for all of the suggestions and conversations. This has been extremely helpful for me as the OP. Doing deep dives of each of these to determine whether it’s a fit is quite time consuming. I’m going to spend some more time this weekend on it. I feel like timeline wise I’m in good shape so I’m not in a rush. She really wants to find a school that isn’t a commuter school even if it is larger and in a more suburban area. We ruled out SUNY purchase for that reason. I just know there are hidden gems out there with unique programs and as an artistic white girl, we can’t count on anything for certain.

Is it worth paying for any particular online tool to help? I wouldn’t mind throwing a few bucks somewhere if it were useful.

[Anonymous]

Connecticut schools-
Connecticut College
Hartford (another top dance school)
Sacred Heart (well regarded dance minor and audition only company)

[Anonymous]

If you are unhooked, you need to think more carefully about schools between Williams and Dickinson. In particular, you need to think through an ED strategy. If your ED strategy is ED1 and ED2 to Williams, Amherst and Swat, your kid may end up at Dickinson or F&M. There are a lot of great schools in between that you would have a much higher chance of acceptance if you apply ED than you would at the top 5. I would figure out which of these appeal to your kid. Yes, Williams is the gold standard, but there are many schools not far behind... Consider Rhodes and Furman for merit aid.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington college in md? What about u Delaware
Not a safety but oberlin? Kenyon? Grinnell

OHIO are you kidding no.

I don’t understand this thinking even as a very liberal pro-choice woman. If my son goes there and his girlfriend gets pregnant he can help her pay to get to a state that can help her, if that is her choice. Many kids who have enough money from this area to move to OH for college have enough money to avoid the legal BS that exists there now. Thus us an equity issue as well as legal. For instance, if my daughter goes to Kenyon I’ll buy her a box of plan B and have her keep it in her dorm since they will not have it at the local cvs. Obviously the laws are disgusting in my opinion but why should an affluent kid from dmv avoid the whole slew of college options there if they have the means to avoid their impact personally, and then they can help vote those idiots out of office while they are there.

+1 Maryland recently expanded abortion access so it's easy to arrange for a child to come back here for an abortion if desired. I also think it's short-sided to trash the entire state because of what some legislators did. By teh same reasoning, you should have trashed the US and moved to another country when Trump was elected.

It amazes me that people in this day and age don’t know that pregnancies can turn dangerous very quickly and a woman can easily find herself in a crisis and too sick to travel.

DP- your statement is true and if I was looking to start a family, I would absolutely factor this in to where we chose to live. But it’s likely less relevant to a college student where abortion access is more about terminating an unwanted pregnancy. If the college student does end up with a pregnancy they want to carry to term, they’d probably be looking to move back home anyway, no?

Di y get me wrong, I think what is happening is appalling, but I also wouldn’t discount entire states for college based on this.

DP.. to me, I don't want to give money to a state (for public u) that takes away women's rights.

Also, no one thinks they will need an abortion until they do. And as a PP stated, sometimes it can be an emergency. A college girl can stay in college until towards the last trimester. In any case, it's about the state and its people electing and passing laws that restricts women's rights. Yes, there are people there who are against anti-abortion laws. But, the majority seem to be fine with this arcane law, "fine" meaning they'd rather have low taxes and conservative values than give women their ability to control their own reproductive system.

The ultimate irony would be if a woman went to a red state like this and majored in Women's Studies.

But would your feelings on this subject dictate where you’d “allow” your kids to go? It’s one thing if an 18yo comes to that decision themselves, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable pressuring my DCs to take an increasing number of states completely off the table. And it’s all still fluid- what’s ok today might be a different story next year.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington college in md? What about u Delaware
Not a safety but oberlin? Kenyon? Grinnell

OHIO are you kidding no.

I don’t understand this thinking even as a very liberal pro-choice woman. If my son goes there and his girlfriend gets pregnant he can help her pay to get to a state that can help her, if that is her choice. Many kids who have enough money from this area to move to OH for college have enough money to avoid the legal BS that exists there now. Thus us an equity issue as well as legal. For instance, if my daughter goes to Kenyon I’ll buy her a box of plan B and have her keep it in her dorm since they will not have it at the local cvs. Obviously the laws are disgusting in my opinion but why should an affluent kid from dmv avoid the whole slew of college options there if they have the means to avoid their impact personally, and then they can help vote those idiots out of office while they are there.

+1 Maryland recently expanded abortion access so it's easy to arrange for a child to come back here for an abortion if desired. I also think it's short-sided to trash the entire state because of what some legislators did. By teh same reasoning, you should have trashed the US and moved to another country when Trump was elected.

It amazes me that people in this day and age don’t know that pregnancies can turn dangerous very quickly and a woman can easily find herself in a crisis and too sick to travel.

Exactly. The inability to envision how abortion restriction in a state can potentially affect a lot of us is shocking. Everything has to go right to line up out of state travel if needed and there’s a lot that can go wrong quickly. Hence why we need to codify Roe on the federal level.

States that prohibit abortions allow them to save the woman's life. The problem is that doctor's won't perform them because they aren't willing to risk someone second guessing if the woman's life was in danger.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington college in md? What about u Delaware
Not a safety but oberlin? Kenyon? Grinnell

OHIO are you kidding no.

I don’t understand this thinking even as a very liberal pro-choice woman. If my son goes there and his girlfriend gets pregnant he can help her pay to get to a state that can help her, if that is her choice. Many kids who have enough money from this area to move to OH for college have enough money to avoid the legal BS that exists there now. Thus us an equity issue as well as legal. For instance, if my daughter goes to Kenyon I’ll buy her a box of plan B and have her keep it in her dorm since they will not have it at the local cvs. Obviously the laws are disgusting in my opinion but why should an affluent kid from dmv avoid the whole slew of college options there if they have the means to avoid their impact personally, and then they can help vote those idiots out of office while they are there.

+1 Maryland recently expanded abortion access so it's easy to arrange for a child to come back here for an abortion if desired. I also think it's short-sided to trash the entire state because of what some legislators did. By teh same reasoning, you should have trashed the US and moved to another country when Trump was elected.

It amazes me that people in this day and age don’t know that pregnancies can turn dangerous very quickly and a woman can easily find herself in a crisis and too sick to travel.

DP- your statement is true and if I was looking to start a family, I would absolutely factor this in to where we chose to live. But it’s likely less relevant to a college student where abortion access is more about terminating an unwanted pregnancy. If the college student does end up with a pregnancy they want to carry to term, they’d probably be looking to move back home anyway, no?

Di y get me wrong, I think what is happening is appalling, but I also wouldn’t discount entire states for college based on this.

+1 I and a number of my friends have had pregnancies that went wrong and which if they hadn't been addressed would have endangered our lives. Most college kids who don't want to have a child are able to have an abortion very early in the pregnancy, which is before the riskier things usually happen.

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F&M has a wonderful art department. I really enjoyed the tour of the studios and my child is very interested in their program there.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington college in md? What about u Delaware
Not a safety but oberlin? Kenyon? Grinnell

OHIO are you kidding no.

I don’t understand this thinking even as a very liberal pro-choice woman. If my son goes there and his girlfriend gets pregnant he can help her pay to get to a state that can help her, if that is her choice. Many kids who have enough money from this area to move to OH for college have enough money to avoid the legal BS that exists there now. Thus us an equity issue as well as legal. For instance, if my daughter goes to Kenyon I’ll buy her a box of plan B and have her keep it in her dorm since they will not have it at the local cvs. Obviously the laws are disgusting in my opinion but why should an affluent kid from dmv avoid the whole slew of college options there if they have the means to avoid their impact personally, and then they can help vote those idiots out of office while they are there.

+1 Maryland recently expanded abortion access so it's easy to arrange for a child to come back here for an abortion if desired. I also think it's short-sided to trash the entire state because of what some legislators did. By teh same reasoning, you should have trashed the US and moved to another country when Trump was elected.

It amazes me that people in this day and age don’t know that pregnancies can turn dangerous very quickly and a woman can easily find herself in a crisis and too sick to travel.

Exactly. The inability to envision how abortion restriction in a state can potentially affect a lot of us is shocking. Everything has to go right to line up out of state travel if needed and there’s a lot that can go wrong quickly. Hence why we need to codify Roe on the federal level.

States that prohibit abortions allow them to save the woman's life. The problem is that doctor's won't perform them because they aren't willing to risk someone second guessing if the woman's life was in danger.

psst - this is the new forced birther talking point. "It's the doctors' faults!"

Don't buy this BS - they knew exactly what was going to happen and did it anyway.

The states with these insane laws tend to also be anti-LGBTQ+, which is another huge problem for my child trying to decide on schools to apply to next year.

We actually just added a school in MI - it is far and cold, but we're good with that

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Washington college in md? What about u Delaware
Not a safety but oberlin? Kenyon? Grinnell

OHIO are you kidding no.

I don’t understand this thinking even as a very liberal pro-choice woman. If my son goes there and his girlfriend gets pregnant he can help her pay to get to a state that can help her, if that is her choice. Many kids who have enough money from this area to move to OH for college have enough money to avoid the legal BS that exists there now. Thus us an equity issue as well as legal. For instance, if my daughter goes to Kenyon I’ll buy her a box of plan B and have her keep it in her dorm since they will not have it at the local cvs. Obviously the laws are disgusting in my opinion but why should an affluent kid from dmv avoid the whole slew of college options there if they have the means to avoid their impact personally, and then they can help vote those idiots out of office while they are there.

+1 Maryland recently expanded abortion access so it's easy to arrange for a child to come back here for an abortion if desired. I also think it's short-sided to trash the entire state because of what some legislators did. By teh same reasoning, you should have trashed the US and moved to another country when Trump was elected.

It amazes me that people in this day and age don’t know that pregnancies can turn dangerous very quickly and a woman can easily find herself in a crisis and too sick to travel.

DP- your statement is true and if I was looking to start a family, I would absolutely factor this in to where we chose to live. But it’s likely less relevant to a college student where abortion access is more about terminating an unwanted pregnancy. If the college student does end up with a pregnancy they want to carry to term, they’d probably be looking to move back home anyway, no?

Di y get me wrong, I think what is happening is appalling, but I also wouldn’t discount entire states for college based on this.

DP.. to me, I don't want to give money to a state (for public u) that takes away women's rights.

Also, no one thinks they will need an abortion until they do. And as a PP stated, sometimes it can be an emergency. A college girl can stay in college until towards the last trimester. In any case, it's about the state and its people electing and passing laws that restricts women's rights. Yes, there are people there who are against anti-abortion laws. But, the majority seem to be fine with this arcane law, "fine" meaning they'd rather have low taxes and conservative values than give women their ability to control their own reproductive system.

The ultimate irony would be if a woman went to a red state like this and majored in Women's Studies.

But would your feelings on this subject dictate where you’d “allow” your kids to go? It’s one thing if an 18yo comes to that decision themselves, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable pressuring my DCs to take an increasing number of states completely off the table. And it’s all still fluid- what’s ok today might be a different story next year.

I told my kids how I feel about it. My DD would have stronger feelings about it compared to my DS, for sure. But, I would share my feelings with them either way.

Moot point for us since my DS only applied to one college in a restrictive state, and got denied. I was not sad about it. Luckily, the rest of the colleges DS applied to are in states without these arcane laws that restrict a woman's right to her body. The vast majority of good colleges for their majors are in blue states, so I think we have good options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are unhooked, you need to think more carefully about schools between Williams and Dickinson. In particular, you need to think through an ED strategy. If your ED strategy is ED1 and ED2 to Williams, Amherst and Swat, your kid may end up at Dickinson or F&M. There are a lot of great schools in between that you would have a much higher chance of acceptance if you apply ED than you would at the top 5. I would figure out which of these appeal to your kid. Yes, Williams is the gold standard, but there are many schools not far behind... Consider Rhodes and Furman for merit aid.

OP here. Did you have schools in mind? I thought we had a pretty good selection across the small liberal arts colleges. I will take a look at Rhodes and Furman.

I’ll admit I’m not well educated on early decision options. Why would doing early decision to one of the more selective schools mean she was locked into one of the less selective ones? Is that because you think she would be rejected out right at the beginning?

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Anonymous wrote:Washington college in md? What about u Delaware
Not a safety but oberlin? Kenyon? Grinnell

OHIO are you kidding no.

I don’t understand this thinking even as a very liberal pro-choice woman. If my son goes there and his girlfriend gets pregnant he can help her pay to get to a state that can help her, if that is her choice. Many kids who have enough money from this area to move to OH for college have enough money to avoid the legal BS that exists there now. Thus us an equity issue as well as legal. For instance, if my daughter goes to Kenyon I’ll buy her a box of plan B and have her keep it in her dorm since they will not have it at the local cvs. Obviously the laws are disgusting in my opinion but why should an affluent kid from dmv avoid the whole slew of college options there if they have the means to avoid their impact personally, and then they can help vote those idiots out of office while they are there.

+1 Maryland recently expanded abortion access so it's easy to arrange for a child to come back here for an abortion if desired. I also think it's short-sided to trash the entire state because of what some legislators did. By teh same reasoning, you should have trashed the US and moved to another country when Trump was elected.

It amazes me that people in this day and age don’t know that pregnancies can turn dangerous very quickly and a woman can easily find herself in a crisis and too sick to travel.

DP- your statement is true and if I was looking to start a family, I would absolutely factor this in to where we chose to live. But it’s likely less relevant to a college student where abortion access is more about terminating an unwanted pregnancy. If the college student does end up with a pregnancy they want to carry to term, they’d probably be looking to move back home anyway, no?

Di y get me wrong, I think what is happening is appalling, but I also wouldn’t discount entire states for college based on this.

DP.. to me, I don't want to give money to a state (for public u) that takes away women's rights.

Also, no one thinks they will need an abortion until they do. And as a PP stated, sometimes it can be an emergency. A college girl can stay in college until towards the last trimester. In any case, it's about the state and its people electing and passing laws that restricts women's rights. Yes, there are people there who are against anti-abortion laws. But, the majority seem to be fine with this arcane law, "fine" meaning they'd rather have low taxes and conservative values than give women their ability to control their own reproductive system.

The ultimate irony would be if a woman went to a red state like this and majored in Women's Studies.

But would your feelings on this subject dictate where you’d “allow” your kids to go? It’s one thing if an 18yo comes to that decision themselves, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable pressuring my DCs to take an increasing number of states completely off the table. And it’s all still fluid- what’s ok today might be a different story next year.

I told my kids how I feel about it. My DD would have stronger feelings about it compared to my DS, for sure. But, I would share my feelings with them either way.

Moot point for us since my DS only applied to one college in a restrictive state, and got denied. I was not sad about it. Luckily, the rest of the colleges DS applied to are in states without these arcane laws that restrict a woman's right to her body. The vast majority of good colleges for their majors are in blue states, so I think we have good options.

Well that’s convenient, isn’t it?

[Anonymous]

OK I read a little more carefully and I think what you are saying is that if she ED’s to a highly selective college and doesn’t get in then she will have wasted her ED option. Is that what you mean? That she would be better off doing early decision to a less selective college because it guarantees her a spot where she is more likely to be admitted? I don’t really see the appeal of that given I think she would be very happy at Dickinson or Franklin and Marshall. I think she would want to try to get into one of the others. She has a really solid record and she will have glowing recommendations. She has shown discipline and commitment in a number of areas and looking at a major that more women are needed for. None of that guarantees anything of course and it is essentially a lottery for kids like her but I can’t see her locking into a less desirable option just to avoid being rejected to the more selective ones. Let’s be honest, college is what you make of it and she is likely to get into something good on this list.

Good call on whoever said Towson non-dance majors can’t take conservatory classes. It’s true and that has now come off our list. Groan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK I read a little more carefully and I think what you are saying is that if she ED’s to a highly selective college and doesn’t get in then she will have wasted her ED option. Is that what you mean? That she would be better off doing early decision to a less selective college because it guarantees her a spot where she is more likely to be admitted? I don’t really see the appeal of that given I think she would be very happy at Dickinson or Franklin and Marshall. I think she would want to try to get into one of the others. She has a really solid record and she will have glowing recommendations. She has shown discipline and commitment in a number of areas and looking at a major that more women are needed for. None of that guarantees anything of course and it is essentially a lottery for kids like her but I can’t see her locking into a less desirable option just to avoid being rejected to the more selective ones. Let’s be honest, college is what you make of it and she is likely to get into something good on this list.

Good call on whoever said Towson non-dance majors can’t take conservatory classes. It’s true and that has now come off our list. Groan.

I think there are some people in this forum who have a whole ED strategy that they stand by. I don't believe in it, though. Unless it's your kid's first choice, don't do ED! And don't waste energy thinking through this whole thing. Just EA to as many as have that option, and hope for the best. Read ED regret threads, and ED buyer's remorse posts. Don't do it for a school that your child isn't 100% passionate about over all others.

[Anonymous]

Dickinson has the best classical ballet training of all the schools that have been discussed, taught by CPYB faculty. Non-Certificate students can take intermediate and/or advanced ballet classes. Students can also audition for the orchestra, and they don’t need to major or minor in music.