Iowa test scores coming back

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Anonymous wrote:6th grade AAP teacher here. If your child scored 91 percent or higher and is getting all 4’s on their report card, they should take Algebra. If they scored 91 percent or higher but is getting mostly 3’s in 7th grade math, they should take 7th Grade Honors because there may be gaps. I have students who scored well on IOWA but are not getting all 4’s on 7th grade content. I will say the majority of the kids who did do well, I expected to. There were a couple of surprises. If you are unsure, ask your child’s teacher what they think.

What if a child is getting all 4s on 7th grade content, advanced pass SOLs but missed the 91 cutoff by a few percentage points? DC didn’t have any prep and had an issue with time.

So if they scored a 90 and pass adv on the SOL they can appeal. Anything less than a 90, most middle schools won’t budge. I have a couple of stydents who scored in the high 80’s but get all 4’s. Unfortunately, they are probably stuck taking 7H next year. I will say this. Parents need to think towards high school when making a decision.

Do you mean the four credit requirement?

No, they mean a 4 on the report card. ES kids in FCPS are graded on a scale of 1-4 with a 4 being the highest.

The poster is saying that kids with 3's on their report cards should not take Algebra 1 H in 7th grade regardless of their IAAT or SOL scores because a kid with 3's on their report card has areas that they have not mastered in math and will likely struggle with Algebra Honors in 7th grade.

I know that. I was referring to her quote “Parents need to think towards high school when making a decision”. If a child takes Algebra I in 7th, they will need still need to take four credits of math in high school. That puts them on a path to fairly advanced math by senior year.

I think they can stop any time they have 4 credits of HS level math, regardless of when they took it. One of my friends has a daughter that took Algebra I in 6th grade. She's planning to take math in 9th grade, and then call it done, having fulfilled the requirements for math.

But she wasn’t in high school when she took algebra 1. So that doesn’t count toward the credit for taking math classes in high school. Which means she will still need math classes for all 4 years while in high school.

That's what I'm saying. The requirement is fulfilled by taking HS level math courses for 4 years, REGARDLESS of when they were taken, according to the parent (HS level courses taken before HS go on the HS transcript). This makes sense, because there are kids even more advanced than her (One of the Regeneron kids from last year or the year before was doing Calculus of some sort in 7th grade, IIRC), and there are not a lot of math sequences that can accommodate that level of acceleration, if you insist that the kids must take 4 years of math in HS.

This is not what our school told us. If you take algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th those grades are figured into GPA because they are high school classes but you still need to take four math credits IN high school.

There is no way for those schools to hope to accommodate a student taking calculus in 7th. That kid will be deep into a university's math offerings well before they get out of high school.

There are very few of those kids. There were a few 8th graders taking pre-calc at our MS but I believe it was through independent study.

It shouldn't matter. It would be horribly unfair to some kids that they're required to take 3-4 years of higher level math than the majority of the student population, in order to graduate. Anyway my friend's kid is going to stop math in 9th grade; they were told by the HS (Oakton, IIRC) that she would have met the math requirements for the advanced diploma.

This is the math course sequencing. Nowhere does it say that those courses must be taken in HS.

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/graduation-requirements-and-course-planning/high-school-course-sequencing/mathematics

Additionally, "Students receive credit toward graduation for high school courses taken and passed in middle school. These courses count toward credits in the required sequences as well as toward the total number of credits required for graduation and calculation of the grade point average (GPA). " (from https://tjhsst.fcps.edu/node/3141)

It's all about the number of credits you need to graduate in different subjects. When you take HS level courses, you earn the credits. They don't not count because you took it when you were 10, instead of 15.

Your friends might want to talk to someone about college admissions. Colleges might look on a kid who stops taking math in 9th grade as not taking the most rigorous path which can impact college admission. It is one reason some parents choose to wait on Algebra until 8th grade so that their kid is not taking a ton of extra math classes and can still be considered on a rigorous path for college applications.

I told them about it. They're all 'Yeah, whatever'. The kid's brilliant, and wants to be an artist, so they figured, most rigorous math is likely not going to hold her back.

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Anonymous wrote:6th grade AAP teacher here. If your child scored 91 percent or higher and is getting all 4’s on their report card, they should take Algebra. If they scored 91 percent or higher but is getting mostly 3’s in 7th grade math, they should take 7th Grade Honors because there may be gaps. I have students who scored well on IOWA but are not getting all 4’s on 7th grade content. I will say the majority of the kids who did do well, I expected to. There were a couple of surprises. If you are unsure, ask your child’s teacher what they think.

What if a child is getting all 4s on 7th grade content, advanced pass SOLs but missed the 91 cutoff by a few percentage points? DC didn’t have any prep and had an issue with time.

So if they scored a 90 and pass adv on the SOL they can appeal. Anything less than a 90, most middle schools won’t budge. I have a couple of stydents who scored in the high 80’s but get all 4’s. Unfortunately, they are probably stuck taking 7H next year. I will say this. Parents need to think towards high school when making a decision.

Do you mean the four credit requirement?

No, they mean a 4 on the report card. ES kids in FCPS are graded on a scale of 1-4 with a 4 being the highest.

The poster is saying that kids with 3's on their report cards should not take Algebra 1 H in 7th grade regardless of their IAAT or SOL scores because a kid with 3's on their report card has areas that they have not mastered in math and will likely struggle with Algebra Honors in 7th grade.

I know that. I was referring to her quote “Parents need to think towards high school when making a decision”. If a child takes Algebra I in 7th, they will need still need to take four credits of math in high school. That puts them on a path to fairly advanced math by senior year.

I think they can stop any time they have 4 credits of HS level math, regardless of when they took it. One of my friends has a daughter that took Algebra I in 6th grade. She's planning to take math in 9th grade, and then call it done, having fulfilled the requirements for math.

But she wasn’t in high school when she took algebra 1. So that doesn’t count toward the credit for taking math classes in high school. Which means she will still need math classes for all 4 years while in high school.

That's what I'm saying. The requirement is fulfilled by taking HS level math courses for 4 years, REGARDLESS of when they were taken, according to the parent (HS level courses taken before HS go on the HS transcript). This makes sense, because there are kids even more advanced than her (One of the Regeneron kids from last year or the year before was doing Calculus of some sort in 7th grade, IIRC), and there are not a lot of math sequences that can accommodate that level of acceleration, if you insist that the kids must take 4 years of math in HS.

This is not what our school told us. If you take algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th those grades are figured into GPA because they are high school classes but you still need to take four math credits IN high school.

There is no way for those schools to hope to accommodate a student taking calculus in 7th. That kid will be deep into a university's math offerings well before they get out of high school.

There are very few of those kids. There were a few 8th graders taking pre-calc at our MS but I believe it was through independent study.

It shouldn't matter. It would be horribly unfair to some kids that they're required to take 3-4 years of higher level math than the majority of the student population, in order to graduate. Anyway my friend's kid is going to stop math in 9th grade; they were told by the HS (Oakton, IIRC) that she would have met the math requirements for the advanced diploma.

This is the math course sequencing. Nowhere does it say that those courses must be taken in HS.

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/graduation-requirements-and-course-planning/high-school-course-sequencing/mathematics

Additionally, "Students receive credit toward graduation for high school courses taken and passed in middle school. These courses count toward credits in the required sequences as well as toward the total number of credits required for graduation and calculation of the grade point average (GPA). " (from https://tjhsst.fcps.edu/node/3141)

It's all about the number of credits you need to graduate in different subjects. When you take HS level courses, you earn the credits. They don't not count because you took it when you were 10, instead of 15.

Your friends might want to talk to someone about college admissions. Colleges might look on a kid who stops taking math in 9th grade as not taking the most rigorous path which can impact college admission. It is one reason some parents choose to wait on Algebra until 8th grade so that their kid is not taking a ton of extra math classes and can still be considered on a rigorous path for college applications.

I told them about it. They're all 'Yeah, whatever'. The kid's brilliant, and wants to be an artist, so they figured, most rigorous math is likely not going to hold her back.

Then it sounds like a good plan for her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are in Langley pyramid and haven’t received anything yet either

Forestville ES, we got the result by mail on Saturday.

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I’m torn about whether to urge DS to pursue the Alg I path. He scored in 98th percentile without any prep. As a practical matter, I don’t think he stands a chance at TJ, and DH and I aren’t into all that it takes to be a competitive parent around here. Also, the child never studies and has breezes through ES. As a result, Alg I would be an enormous wake up call with all of the other changes middle school brings. On the other hand, the kid loves math and I would hate to deny him the opportunity. It’s tough to know what to do (assuming the SOL scores come in).

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Anonymous wrote:6th grade AAP teacher here. If your child scored 91 percent or higher and is getting all 4’s on their report card, they should take Algebra. If they scored 91 percent or higher but is getting mostly 3’s in 7th grade math, they should take 7th Grade Honors because there may be gaps. I have students who scored well on IOWA but are not getting all 4’s on 7th grade content. I will say the majority of the kids who did do well, I expected to. There were a couple of surprises. If you are unsure, ask your child’s teacher what they think.

What if a child is getting all 4s on 7th grade content, advanced pass SOLs but missed the 91 cutoff by a few percentage points? DC didn’t have any prep and had an issue with time.

The DCUM opinion historically is that they should do Math 7 Honors, which is true of most students who just barely make the cutoff. Algebra is a substantial leap upwards in difficulty, and math is very cumulative. Give your kid another year to solidify her foundational skills.

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Anonymous wrote:6th grade AAP teacher here. If your child scored 91 percent or higher and is getting all 4’s on their report card, they should take Algebra. If they scored 91 percent or higher but is getting mostly 3’s in 7th grade math, they should take 7th Grade Honors because there may be gaps. I have students who scored well on IOWA but are not getting all 4’s on 7th grade content. I will say the majority of the kids who did do well, I expected to. There were a couple of surprises. If you are unsure, ask your child’s teacher what they think.

What if a child is getting all 4s on 7th grade content, advanced pass SOLs but missed the 91 cutoff by a few percentage points? DC didn’t have any prep and had an issue with time.

The DCUM opinion historically is that they should do Math 7 Honors, which is true of most students who just barely make the cutoff. Algebra is a substantial leap upwards in difficulty, and math is very cumulative. Give your kid another year to solidify her foundational skills.

Everyone I know says Algebra 1 Honors in 7th has been easy.

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Anonymous wrote:6th grade AAP teacher here. If your child scored 91 percent or higher and is getting all 4’s on their report card, they should take Algebra. If they scored 91 percent or higher but is getting mostly 3’s in 7th grade math, they should take 7th Grade Honors because there may be gaps. I have students who scored well on IOWA but are not getting all 4’s on 7th grade content. I will say the majority of the kids who did do well, I expected to. There were a couple of surprises. If you are unsure, ask your child’s teacher what they think.

What if a child is getting all 4s on 7th grade content, advanced pass SOLs but missed the 91 cutoff by a few percentage points? DC didn’t have any prep and had an issue with time.

The DCUM opinion historically is that they should do Math 7 Honors, which is true of most students who just barely make the cutoff. Algebra is a substantial leap upwards in difficulty, and math is very cumulative. Give your kid another year to solidify her foundational skills.

Everyone I know says Algebra 1 Honors in 7th has been easy.

But what about Algebra 2 in 9th and beyond? That’s what concerns me.

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Anonymous wrote:6th grade AAP teacher here. If your child scored 91 percent or higher and is getting all 4’s on their report card, they should take Algebra. If they scored 91 percent or higher but is getting mostly 3’s in 7th grade math, they should take 7th Grade Honors because there may be gaps. I have students who scored well on IOWA but are not getting all 4’s on 7th grade content. I will say the majority of the kids who did do well, I expected to. There were a couple of surprises. If you are unsure, ask your child’s teacher what they think.

What if a child is getting all 4s on 7th grade content, advanced pass SOLs but missed the 91 cutoff by a few percentage points? DC didn’t have any prep and had an issue with time.

The DCUM opinion historically is that they should do Math 7 Honors, which is true of most students who just barely make the cutoff. Algebra is a substantial leap upwards in difficulty, and math is very cumulative. Give your kid another year to solidify her foundational skills.

Everyone I know says Algebra 1 Honors in 7th has been easy.

But what about Algebra 2 in 9th and beyond? That’s what concerns me.

I have heard from so many friends that their kids are miserable.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m torn about whether to urge DS to pursue the Alg I path. He scored in 98th percentile without any prep. As a practical matter, I don’t think he stands a chance at TJ, and DH and I aren’t into all that it takes to be a competitive parent around here. Also, the child never studies and has breezes through ES. As a result, Alg I would be an enormous wake up call with all of the other changes middle school brings. On the other hand, the kid loves math and I would hate to deny him the opportunity. It’s tough to know what to do (assuming the SOL scores come in).

PP, I have a similar kid, same personal lack of interest in TJ and based upon the comments of the 6th grade teacher upthread, I’m not inclined to worry about it. Sounds like it should not be overly hard for a math-inclined kid (which I personally was not, but different strokes).

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Anonymous wrote:Alg I would be an enormous wake up call with all of the other changes middle school brings. On the other hand, the kid loves math and I would hate to deny him the opportunity. It’s tough to know what to do (assuming the SOL scores come in).

These sound like two positives to me. I can't tell you how many kids like him either skate through middle school and struggle in HS nor skate through HS and struggle in college. The earlier he learns to work to understand, the better he'll be at doing so. If he really like math he might benefit from the AoPS prealgebra book.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they give you scores for each section?

No, it's a composite percentile compared to others who took the test.

OK. I was given percentile scores for each section. I don't remember if raw scores were given.

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Anonymous wrote:6th grade AAP teacher here. If your child scored 91 percent or higher and is getting all 4’s on their report card, they should take Algebra. If they scored 91 percent or higher but is getting mostly 3’s in 7th grade math, they should take 7th Grade Honors because there may be gaps. I have students who scored well on IOWA but are not getting all 4’s on 7th grade content. I will say the majority of the kids who did do well, I expected to. There were a couple of surprises. If you are unsure, ask your child’s teacher what they think.

What if a child is getting all 4s on 7th grade content, advanced pass SOLs but missed the 91 cutoff by a few percentage points? DC didn’t have any prep and had an issue with time.

The DCUM opinion historically is that they should do Math 7 Honors, which is true of most students who just barely make the cutoff. Algebra is a substantial leap upwards in difficulty, and math is very cumulative. Give your kid another year to solidify her foundational skills.

Everyone I know says Algebra 1 Honors in 7th has been easy.

But what about Algebra 2 in 9th and beyond? That’s what concerns me.

I have heard from so many friends that their kids are miserable.

Among my 7th grader’s friends, are lots of kids that did geometry over the summer, and are now taking Algebra II in 8th grade. And not having any problems. According to her, these aren’t particularly math-y kids, or gunning for TJ or anything.

DD is NOT going to do this; 2 years of math acceleration is more than enough.

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Anonymous wrote:6th grade AAP teacher here. If your child scored 91 percent or higher and is getting all 4’s on their report card, they should take Algebra. If they scored 91 percent or higher but is getting mostly 3’s in 7th grade math, they should take 7th Grade Honors because there may be gaps. I have students who scored well on IOWA but are not getting all 4’s on 7th grade content. I will say the majority of the kids who did do well, I expected to. There were a couple of surprises. If you are unsure, ask your child’s teacher what they think.

What if a child is getting all 4s on 7th grade content, advanced pass SOLs but missed the 91 cutoff by a few percentage points? DC didn’t have any prep and had an issue with time.

The DCUM opinion historically is that they should do Math 7 Honors, which is true of most students who just barely make the cutoff. Algebra is a substantial leap upwards in difficulty, and math is very cumulative. Give your kid another year to solidify her foundational skills.

Everyone I know says Algebra 1 Honors in 7th has been easy.

But what about Algebra 2 in 9th and beyond? That’s what concerns me.

It's still easy if your kid is math oriented. Mine is in precalc and has had straight As throughout. If your kid loves math, has reasonably high executive function, has the scores to qualify for Algebra in 7th, and has the support of the 6th grade math teacher, then your child will likely be successful with 7th grade Algebra and the classes beyond.

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How can one prep for the Iowa test? DC is in 7th at a parochial, and they use Iowa among other things to determine their math for 8th grade. Is it just the Mercer Publishing guide/practice tests?

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Anonymous wrote:How can one prep for the Iowa test? DC is in 7th at a parochial, and they use Iowa among other things to determine their math for 8th grade. Is it just the Mercer Publishing guide/practice tests?

It's not exactly a test that you prep for - it's about speed (as some posters upthread were saying, that their DC ran out of time). It's about math fluency with math facts.