Elite private school for typical smart kid

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think an unhooked smart kid is better off in public?

We know a family who sends their kid to St Albans and it seems like the mom has been rejected socially. It seems like a lot of trouble and money to attend an elite school to not be included. Parents are wealthy enough to full pay but not rich. Parents attended good schools but not ivy. I know they want their kids to go to an ivy or equivalent.

Many families that prioritize academics left public schools. So it is much easier for a smart academically minded kid to find their peeps in private. That’s part of why we go, even though financially it is very hard.

Parental inclusion? How old is DD, because after 4th it’s all drop off events and I’m not looking to make parent friends. Sure I’ll be friendly and chat when we encounter each other, but how often would that even happen

Are you saying parents don’t prioritize education if they send their kids to public?

I’m not OP, but I’ll be honest since it’s anonymous: if you can afford an excellent private school and choose to send your kids to a public school, despite knowing it has problems (and that’s not all public schools, so that’s an important caveat), then yes — I think that shows you don’t prioritize education. Prioritizing education means sending your kids to the absolute best place you can, whether that’s public or private.

This fool still thinks private education gives any advantage over public education. Taking out St. Albans and Sidwell, the college admissions are practically identical for public and private in the DMV.

And you're the "fool" who completely missed the boat that education is MORE than college admissions for these families.

How are they measuring the outcomes then? Getting into college is a culmination of a lot of things from grades to test scores to extracurriculars to the actual application. If the students at privates and publics have the same end result with similar inputs , then what’s the differentiator on one education being better than the other ?

There aren’t really objective metrics on it. You know it when you see it. I gather you haven’t been inside an excellent private school and seen how the classes are run. IYKYK.

The elite NE boarding schools blow away everyone else on college admissions. Outside of them, it’s about going to the schools and seeing it for yourself.

So they are allegedly run much better and yet, still have the same results in academics, extracurriculars, test scores, application process and thus admissions.
Ok

They generally have better results, but again — it’s about more than that.

If you really want to understand it, then compare what the top private schools have to offer vs public schools, from a programmatic and academic standpoint. We’re not going to do the research for you. Compare the course of study from, say, Holton vs Whitman.

Of course, if you don’t care to understand and just want to sit with your assumptions, then continue as you have been and don’t educate yourself at all.

I know people who have graduated from both Holton and Whitman with similar outcomes in academics, college admissions and work/life. Nearly all outcomes in the DMV are like this too.
You can't point to any objective metrics but only "feels"
Sounds like you need to educate yourself on what you're really paying for

Nah, I’m good. I went to public middle school and private high school. I know exactly what I’m paying for and I’m happy about it.

Maybe you could … wait for it … mind your own business!

I know. It’s hard.

You are posting on a public forum and telling people to mind their own business? That isn't how it works. You post, people get to respond. Don't like it? Don't post.

Here’s a metric for you: my kid’s class has 16 kids and 2 full teachers. What’s the student:teacher ratio in public schools? What’s the research on the impact of student:teacher ratio on learning?

My kid has access to full art studios, theater programs, a full slate of subject areas, etc. This is all in lower school. She doesn’t waste time on standardized tests. There’s no subpar curriculum crap, like in MCPS. The upper elementary school and middle school students read full books, rather than excerpts.

You like your private school, fine. Now stop to tell folks that send their kids to public school that they don’t value education. It’s a tired line that everyone knows isn’t true. By this logic, people who value education homeschool.

I never said that. I said that people who knowingly don’t send their kids to the best option they have available to them don’t value education. That “best” option could be public or private.

My husband and I are both ivy educated. I went to Harvard. We value education. Our public has many parents who are from Harvard, Yale, Penn and MIT. Our public high school sends many students to top colleges every year. It is just rude to say that parents who send their kids to public don’t value education. That exact snobby attitude is what turns me off about certain privates.

Apparently Harvard didn’t teach you reading comprehension. Read the last sentence of my last post.

I’m traveling with my family so I skimmed.

We actually did the private school applications and expect acceptances. We will likely stick with public. We like the diversity, proximity to our house and the community.

Why did you apply then?

Because we can afford it and considered sending our kids. I thought somehow we were doing a disservice to our children for not sending our kids when we had the means to do so easily. After the process, we feel more confident that our children are at the right place. I like that their friends are mostly within 2 miles of our house. We have dinner together. I make them do chores.

My daughter goes to private school. She has neighborhood friends. She does chores. We have dinner together. Not sure why you think that can’t happen?

What you may not realize is the entitled attitude that your child will pick up in the next decade. That is what I do not want for my child. You may not have it yet since your child is only 6. My children would do well at public or private. Maybe we will change our minds over the next few months and switch to private. It is very important to me for my children be down to earth.

I went to private HS. I know entitled people from public and private school.

You are engaging in wild generalizations.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think an unhooked smart kid is better off in public?

We know a family who sends their kid to St Albans and it seems like the mom has been rejected socially. It seems like a lot of trouble and money to attend an elite school to not be included. Parents are wealthy enough to full pay but not rich. Parents attended good schools but not ivy. I know they want their kids to go to an ivy or equivalent.

Many families that prioritize academics left public schools. So it is much easier for a smart academically minded kid to find their peeps in private. That’s part of why we go, even though financially it is very hard.

Parental inclusion? How old is DD, because after 4th it’s all drop off events and I’m not looking to make parent friends. Sure I’ll be friendly and chat when we encounter each other, but how often would that even happen

Are you saying parents don’t prioritize education if they send their kids to public?

Everyone “prioritizes” education. This is more of a show me, don’t tell me thing to tease out.

Right and if you think there aren’t parents in this area who could afford something better, but choose to keep their kids in an inferior option because they’d rather spend the money on fancy vacations and luxury cars, then you’re naive.

DH and I are from humble beginnings. We have chosen to send our kids to public because we want them to attend school with kids like us. We do live well and have a lovely home, travel and have nice cars. We can afford tuition without financial strain.

So you’re prioritizing the social aspect over quality of education.

It is very narrow-minded to think that education only happens in a school building. There is great educational value in travel.

No number of vacations can make up for subpar schooling.

First, I said travel not vacations. They can be different. Second, not all public schools experiences are "subpar" and not all private school experiences are above average. Both of my kids are getting great educations (one in public, one in private) but their travel experiences have certainly added to their education. Again, not all education occurs in a schoolhouse.

My kid is in private school with a 6:1 student:teacher ratio and we travel. She’s 6 and has been to 5 European countries and 5 states so far.

What’s your next excuse?

Excuse? For what? I'm arguing that travel is good. I think that's great that your kid has been to all those places (not that she'll remember most of those trips given her age). The point I was making is that travel is important and has an educational benefit. It is private school parents like you that give private school parents a bad name. Lighten up.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think an unhooked smart kid is better off in public?

We know a family who sends their kid to St Albans and it seems like the mom has been rejected socially. It seems like a lot of trouble and money to attend an elite school to not be included. Parents are wealthy enough to full pay but not rich. Parents attended good schools but not ivy. I know they want their kids to go to an ivy or equivalent.

Many families that prioritize academics left public schools. So it is much easier for a smart academically minded kid to find their peeps in private. That’s part of why we go, even though financially it is very hard.

Parental inclusion? How old is DD, because after 4th it’s all drop off events and I’m not looking to make parent friends. Sure I’ll be friendly and chat when we encounter each other, but how often would that even happen

Are you saying parents don’t prioritize education if they send their kids to public?

Everyone “prioritizes” education. This is more of a show me, don’t tell me thing to tease out.

Right and if you think there aren’t parents in this area who could afford something better, but choose to keep their kids in an inferior option because they’d rather spend the money on fancy vacations and luxury cars, then you’re naive.

DH and I are from humble beginnings. We have chosen to send our kids to public because we want them to attend school with kids like us. We do live well and have a lovely home, travel and have nice cars. We can afford tuition without financial strain.

So you’re prioritizing the social aspect over quality of education.

It is very narrow-minded to think that education only happens in a school building. There is great educational value in travel.

No number of vacations can make up for subpar schooling.

First, I said travel not vacations. They can be different. Second, not all public schools experiences are "subpar" and not all private school experiences are above average. Both of my kids are getting great educations (one in public, one in private) but their travel experiences have certainly added to their education. Again, not all education occurs in a schoolhouse.

My kid is in private school with a 6:1 student:teacher ratio and we travel. She’s 6 and has been to 5 European countries and 5 states so far.

What’s your next excuse?

Excuse? For what? I'm arguing that travel is good. I think that's great that your kid has been to all those places (not that she'll remember most of those trips given her age). The point I was making is that travel is important and has an educational benefit. It is private school parents like you that give private school parents a bad name. Lighten up.

Your response when confronted about your schooling choice is that your kids travel. Great! So does mine.

And talk about lightning up — you’re the one saying my kid WILL develop an entitled attitude. You really should withdraw your private school applications. Wouldn’t want your kids developing an entitled attitude, which is apparently a guarantee.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think an unhooked smart kid is better off in public?

We know a family who sends their kid to St Albans and it seems like the mom has been rejected socially. It seems like a lot of trouble and money to attend an elite school to not be included. Parents are wealthy enough to full pay but not rich. Parents attended good schools but not ivy. I know they want their kids to go to an ivy or equivalent.

Many families that prioritize academics left public schools. So it is much easier for a smart academically minded kid to find their peeps in private. That’s part of why we go, even though financially it is very hard.

Parental inclusion? How old is DD, because after 4th it’s all drop off events and I’m not looking to make parent friends. Sure I’ll be friendly and chat when we encounter each other, but how often would that even happen

Are you saying parents don’t prioritize education if they send their kids to public?

Everyone “prioritizes” education. This is more of a show me, don’t tell me thing to tease out.

Right and if you think there aren’t parents in this area who could afford something better, but choose to keep their kids in an inferior option because they’d rather spend the money on fancy vacations and luxury cars, then you’re naive.

DH and I are from humble beginnings. We have chosen to send our kids to public because we want them to attend school with kids like us. We do live well and have a lovely home, travel and have nice cars. We can afford tuition without financial strain.

So you’re prioritizing the social aspect over quality of education.

It is very narrow-minded to think that education only happens in a school building. There is great educational value in travel.

No number of vacations can make up for subpar schooling.

First, I said travel not vacations. They can be different. Second, not all public schools experiences are "subpar" and not all private school experiences are above average. Both of my kids are getting great educations (one in public, one in private) but their travel experiences have certainly added to their education. Again, not all education occurs in a schoolhouse.

My kid is in private school with a 6:1 student:teacher ratio and we travel. She’s 6 and has been to 5 European countries and 5 states so far.

What’s your next excuse?

Excuse? For what? I'm arguing that travel is good. I think that's great that your kid has been to all those places (not that she'll remember most of those trips given her age). The point I was making is that travel is important and has an educational benefit. It is private school parents like you that give private school parents a bad name. Lighten up.

Your response when confronted about your schooling choice is that your kids travel. Great! So does mine.

And talk about lightning up — you’re the one saying my kid WILL develop an entitled attitude. You really should withdraw your private school applications. Wouldn’t want your kids developing an entitled attitude, which is apparently a guarantee.

The pp is a different poster. I said I don’t want my kids to have that entitled attitude that you clearly have with every additional time you post. I wasn’t sure you were the same person. The person who posted about the 6:1 student ratio and 6yo traveling to 5 European countries is the exact attitude I am trying to avoid.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think an unhooked smart kid is better off in public?

We know a family who sends their kid to St Albans and it seems like the mom has been rejected socially. It seems like a lot of trouble and money to attend an elite school to not be included. Parents are wealthy enough to full pay but not rich. Parents attended good schools but not ivy. I know they want their kids to go to an ivy or equivalent.

Many families that prioritize academics left public schools. So it is much easier for a smart academically minded kid to find their peeps in private. That’s part of why we go, even though financially it is very hard.

Parental inclusion? How old is DD, because after 4th it’s all drop off events and I’m not looking to make parent friends. Sure I’ll be friendly and chat when we encounter each other, but how often would that even happen

Are you saying parents don’t prioritize education if they send their kids to public?

I’m not OP, but I’ll be honest since it’s anonymous: if you can afford an excellent private school and choose to send your kids to a public school, despite knowing it has problems (and that’s not all public schools, so that’s an important caveat), then yes — I think that shows you don’t prioritize education. Prioritizing education means sending your kids to the absolute best place you can, whether that’s public or private.

This fool still thinks private education gives any advantage over public education. Taking out St. Albans and Sidwell, the college admissions are practically identical for public and private in the DMV.

And you're the "fool" who completely missed the boat that education is MORE than college admissions for these families.

How are they measuring the outcomes then? Getting into college is a culmination of a lot of things from grades to test scores to extracurriculars to the actual application. If the students at privates and publics have the same end result with similar inputs , then what’s the differentiator on one education being better than the other ?

There aren’t really objective metrics on it. You know it when you see it. I gather you haven’t been inside an excellent private school and seen how the classes are run. IYKYK.

The elite NE boarding schools blow away everyone else on college admissions. Outside of them, it’s about going to the schools and seeing it for yourself.

So they are allegedly run much better and yet, still have the same results in academics, extracurriculars, test scores, application process and thus admissions.
Ok

They generally have better results, but again — it’s about more than that.

If you really want to understand it, then compare what the top private schools have to offer vs public schools, from a programmatic and academic standpoint. We’re not going to do the research for you. Compare the course of study from, say, Holton vs Whitman.

Of course, if you don’t care to understand and just want to sit with your assumptions, then continue as you have been and don’t educate yourself at all.

I know people who have graduated from both Holton and Whitman with similar outcomes in academics, college admissions and work/life. Nearly all outcomes in the DMV are like this too.
You can't point to any objective metrics but only "feels"
Sounds like you need to educate yourself on what you're really paying for

Nah, I’m good. I went to public middle school and private high school. I know exactly what I’m paying for and I’m happy about it.

Maybe you could … wait for it … mind your own business!

I know. It’s hard.

You are posting on a public forum and telling people to mind their own business? That isn't how it works. You post, people get to respond. Don't like it? Don't post.

Here’s a metric for you: my kid’s class has 16 kids and 2 full teachers. What’s the student:teacher ratio in public schools? What’s the research on the impact of student:teacher ratio on learning?

My kid has access to full art studios, theater programs, a full slate of subject areas, etc. This is all in lower school. She doesn’t waste time on standardized tests. There’s no subpar curriculum crap, like in MCPS. The upper elementary school and middle school students read full books, rather than excerpts.

Why are you giving me metrics when all I did was tell you that you don't get to tell people on PUBLIC forms to mind their own business? Did you (wrongly) assume that I was a particular poster that I am not? You need to not be so reactive if you feel so good about your decision. Just relax. Life is going to come at you hard when you realize that some public school kids got a great education just like your kid did - just without a random ratio and $50k in tuition. I know this because I have one kid who went all the way through public school and another in private school. Different kids, different wants/needs - both great experiences. It can and does happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think an unhooked smart kid is better off in public?

We know a family who sends their kid to St Albans and it seems like the mom has been rejected socially. It seems like a lot of trouble and money to attend an elite school to not be included. Parents are wealthy enough to full pay but not rich. Parents attended good schools but not ivy. I know they want their kids to go to an ivy or equivalent.

Many families that prioritize academics left public schools. So it is much easier for a smart academically minded kid to find their peeps in private. That’s part of why we go, even though financially it is very hard.

Parental inclusion? How old is DD, because after 4th it’s all drop off events and I’m not looking to make parent friends. Sure I’ll be friendly and chat when we encounter each other, but how often would that even happen

Are you saying parents don’t prioritize education if they send their kids to public?

Everyone “prioritizes” education. This is more of a show me, don’t tell me thing to tease out.

Right and if you think there aren’t parents in this area who could afford something better, but choose to keep their kids in an inferior option because they’d rather spend the money on fancy vacations and luxury cars, then you’re naive.

DH and I are from humble beginnings. We have chosen to send our kids to public because we want them to attend school with kids like us. We do live well and have a lovely home, travel and have nice cars. We can afford tuition without financial strain.

So you’re prioritizing the social aspect over quality of education.

It is very narrow-minded to think that education only happens in a school building. There is great educational value in travel.

No number of vacations can make up for subpar schooling.

First, I said travel not vacations. They can be different. Second, not all public schools experiences are "subpar" and not all private school experiences are above average. Both of my kids are getting great educations (one in public, one in private) but their travel experiences have certainly added to their education. Again, not all education occurs in a schoolhouse.

My kid is in private school with a 6:1 student:teacher ratio and we travel. She’s 6 and has been to 5 European countries and 5 states so far.

What’s your next excuse?

Excuse? For what? I'm arguing that travel is good. I think that's great that your kid has been to all those places (not that she'll remember most of those trips given her age). The point I was making is that travel is important and has an educational benefit. It is private school parents like you that give private school parents a bad name. Lighten up.

Your response when confronted about your schooling choice is that your kids travel. Great! So does mine.

And talk about lightning up — you’re the one saying my kid WILL develop an entitled attitude. You really should withdraw your private school applications. Wouldn’t want your kids developing an entitled attitude, which is apparently a guarantee.

I never said your kid will develop an entitled attitude (that was not my post). But you do need to LIGHTEN up. My kid is already in private school and I am not the poster who you think needs to withdraw applications (FYI - they don't just because you think they should). You've managed to get so worked up that you have no idea who you replying to. And as a private school parent I can still think that some private school parents are truly obnoxious.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think an unhooked smart kid is better off in public?

We know a family who sends their kid to St Albans and it seems like the mom has been rejected socially. It seems like a lot of trouble and money to attend an elite school to not be included. Parents are wealthy enough to full pay but not rich. Parents attended good schools but not ivy. I know they want their kids to go to an ivy or equivalent.

Many families that prioritize academics left public schools. So it is much easier for a smart academically minded kid to find their peeps in private. That’s part of why we go, even though financially it is very hard.

Parental inclusion? How old is DD, because after 4th it’s all drop off events and I’m not looking to make parent friends. Sure I’ll be friendly and chat when we encounter each other, but how often would that even happen

Are you saying parents don’t prioritize education if they send their kids to public?

Everyone “prioritizes” education. This is more of a show me, don’t tell me thing to tease out.

Right and if you think there aren’t parents in this area who could afford something better, but choose to keep their kids in an inferior option because they’d rather spend the money on fancy vacations and luxury cars, then you’re naive.

DH and I are from humble beginnings. We have chosen to send our kids to public because we want them to attend school with kids like us. We do live well and have a lovely home, travel and have nice cars. We can afford tuition without financial strain.

So you’re prioritizing the social aspect over quality of education.

It is very narrow-minded to think that education only happens in a school building. There is great educational value in travel.

No number of vacations can make up for subpar schooling.

First, I said travel not vacations. They can be different. Second, not all public schools experiences are "subpar" and not all private school experiences are above average. Both of my kids are getting great educations (one in public, one in private) but their travel experiences have certainly added to their education. Again, not all education occurs in a schoolhouse.

My kid is in private school with a 6:1 student:teacher ratio and we travel. She’s 6 and has been to 5 European countries and 5 states so far.

What’s your next excuse?

Excuse? For what? I'm arguing that travel is good. I think that's great that your kid has been to all those places (not that she'll remember most of those trips given her age). The point I was making is that travel is important and has an educational benefit. It is private school parents like you that give private school parents a bad name. Lighten up.

Your response when confronted about your schooling choice is that your kids travel. Great! So does mine.

And talk about lightning up — you’re the one saying my kid WILL develop an entitled attitude. You really should withdraw your private school applications. Wouldn’t want your kids developing an entitled attitude, which is apparently a guarantee.

The pp is a different poster. I said I don’t want my kids to have that entitled attitude that you clearly have with every additional time you post. I wasn’t sure you were the same person. The person who posted about the 6:1 student ratio and 6yo traveling to 5 European countries is the exact attitude I am trying to avoid.

You clearly haven’t been following this thread accurately if that’s your takeaway from those posts.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think an unhooked smart kid is better off in public?

We know a family who sends their kid to St Albans and it seems like the mom has been rejected socially. It seems like a lot of trouble and money to attend an elite school to not be included. Parents are wealthy enough to full pay but not rich. Parents attended good schools but not ivy. I know they want their kids to go to an ivy or equivalent.

Many families that prioritize academics left public schools. So it is much easier for a smart academically minded kid to find their peeps in private. That’s part of why we go, even though financially it is very hard.

Parental inclusion? How old is DD, because after 4th it’s all drop off events and I’m not looking to make parent friends. Sure I’ll be friendly and chat when we encounter each other, but how often would that even happen

Are you saying parents don’t prioritize education if they send their kids to public?

I’m not OP, but I’ll be honest since it’s anonymous: if you can afford an excellent private school and choose to send your kids to a public school, despite knowing it has problems (and that’s not all public schools, so that’s an important caveat), then yes — I think that shows you don’t prioritize education. Prioritizing education means sending your kids to the absolute best place you can, whether that’s public or private.

This fool still thinks private education gives any advantage over public education. Taking out St. Albans and Sidwell, the college admissions are practically identical for public and private in the DMV.

And you're the "fool" who completely missed the boat that education is MORE than college admissions for these families.

How are they measuring the outcomes then? Getting into college is a culmination of a lot of things from grades to test scores to extracurriculars to the actual application. If the students at privates and publics have the same end result with similar inputs , then what’s the differentiator on one education being better than the other ?

There aren’t really objective metrics on it. You know it when you see it. I gather you haven’t been inside an excellent private school and seen how the classes are run. IYKYK.

The elite NE boarding schools blow away everyone else on college admissions. Outside of them, it’s about going to the schools and seeing it for yourself.

So they are allegedly run much better and yet, still have the same results in academics, extracurriculars, test scores, application process and thus admissions.
Ok

They generally have better results, but again — it’s about more than that.

If you really want to understand it, then compare what the top private schools have to offer vs public schools, from a programmatic and academic standpoint. We’re not going to do the research for you. Compare the course of study from, say, Holton vs Whitman.

Of course, if you don’t care to understand and just want to sit with your assumptions, then continue as you have been and don’t educate yourself at all.

I know people who have graduated from both Holton and Whitman with similar outcomes in academics, college admissions and work/life. Nearly all outcomes in the DMV are like this too.
You can't point to any objective metrics but only "feels"
Sounds like you need to educate yourself on what you're really paying for

Nah, I’m good. I went to public middle school and private high school. I know exactly what I’m paying for and I’m happy about it.

Maybe you could … wait for it … mind your own business!

I know. It’s hard.

You are posting on a public forum and telling people to mind their own business? That isn't how it works. You post, people get to respond. Don't like it? Don't post.

Here’s a metric for you: my kid’s class has 16 kids and 2 full teachers. What’s the student:teacher ratio in public schools? What’s the research on the impact of student:teacher ratio on learning?

My kid has access to full art studios, theater programs, a full slate of subject areas, etc. This is all in lower school. She doesn’t waste time on standardized tests. There’s no subpar curriculum crap, like in MCPS. The upper elementary school and middle school students read full books, rather than excerpts.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think an unhooked smart kid is better off in public?

We know a family who sends their kid to St Albans and it seems like the mom has been rejected socially. It seems like a lot of trouble and money to attend an elite school to not be included. Parents are wealthy enough to full pay but not rich. Parents attended good schools but not ivy. I know they want their kids to go to an ivy or equivalent.

Many families that prioritize academics left public schools. So it is much easier for a smart academically minded kid to find their peeps in private. That’s part of why we go, even though financially it is very hard.

Parental inclusion? How old is DD, because after 4th it’s all drop off events and I’m not looking to make parent friends. Sure I’ll be friendly and chat when we encounter each other, but how often would that even happen

Are you saying parents don’t prioritize education if they send their kids to public?

I’m not OP, but I’ll be honest since it’s anonymous: if you can afford an excellent private school and choose to send your kids to a public school, despite knowing it has problems (and that’s not all public schools, so that’s an important caveat), then yes — I think that shows you don’t prioritize education. Prioritizing education means sending your kids to the absolute best place you can, whether that’s public or private.

This fool still thinks private education gives any advantage over public education. Taking out St. Albans and Sidwell, the college admissions are practically identical for public and private in the DMV.

And you're the "fool" who completely missed the boat that education is MORE than college admissions for these families.

How are they measuring the outcomes then? Getting into college is a culmination of a lot of things from grades to test scores to extracurriculars to the actual application. If the students at privates and publics have the same end result with similar inputs , then what’s the differentiator on one education being better than the other ?

There aren’t really objective metrics on it. You know it when you see it. I gather you haven’t been inside an excellent private school and seen how the classes are run. IYKYK.

The elite NE boarding schools blow away everyone else on college admissions. Outside of them, it’s about going to the schools and seeing it for yourself.

So they are allegedly run much better and yet, still have the same results in academics, extracurriculars, test scores, application process and thus admissions.
Ok

They generally have better results, but again — it’s about more than that.

If you really want to understand it, then compare what the top private schools have to offer vs public schools, from a programmatic and academic standpoint. We’re not going to do the research for you. Compare the course of study from, say, Holton vs Whitman.

Of course, if you don’t care to understand and just want to sit with your assumptions, then continue as you have been and don’t educate yourself at all.

I know people who have graduated from both Holton and Whitman with similar outcomes in academics, college admissions and work/life. Nearly all outcomes in the DMV are like this too.
You can't point to any objective metrics but only "feels"
Sounds like you need to educate yourself on what you're really paying for

Nah, I’m good. I went to public middle school and private high school. I know exactly what I’m paying for and I’m happy about it.

Maybe you could … wait for it … mind your own business!

I know. It’s hard.

You are posting on a public forum and telling people to mind their own business? That isn't how it works. You post, people get to respond. Don't like it? Don't post.

Here’s a metric for you: my kid’s class has 16 kids and 2 full teachers. What’s the student:teacher ratio in public schools? What’s the research on the impact of student:teacher ratio on learning?

My kid has access to full art studios, theater programs, a full slate of subject areas, etc. This is all in lower school. She doesn’t waste time on standardized tests. There’s no subpar curriculum crap, like in MCPS. The upper elementary school and middle school students read full books, rather than excerpts.

That 16 student model was part of the reason we left a private school. It was a bubble, which limited opportunities and experiences. With just 8 boys and 8 girls, there was reduced potential for a kid to find their tribe - the social scene for boys was dominated by one kingpin boy. With such small student numbers, there wasn't a large number of really smart kids, and the school didn't offer the differentiated classes that we found when our kids moved to public school.

There was one chemistry teacher and one physics teacher at the private school, not a department of these teachers working together.

It's hard to have a top math team or robotics team for example when a school just doesn't have as many interested talented kids.

I'm not sure why you think public school kids just read excerpts. My kids read full novels and non fiction books, and many of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think an unhooked smart kid is better off in public?

We know a family who sends their kid to St Albans and it seems like the mom has been rejected socially. It seems like a lot of trouble and money to attend an elite school to not be included. Parents are wealthy enough to full pay but not rich. Parents attended good schools but not ivy. I know they want their kids to go to an ivy or equivalent.

Many families that prioritize academics left public schools. So it is much easier for a smart academically minded kid to find their peeps in private. That’s part of why we go, even though financially it is very hard.

Parental inclusion? How old is DD, because after 4th it’s all drop off events and I’m not looking to make parent friends. Sure I’ll be friendly and chat when we encounter each other, but how often would that even happen

Are you saying parents don’t prioritize education if they send their kids to public?

I’m not OP, but I’ll be honest since it’s anonymous: if you can afford an excellent private school and choose to send your kids to a public school, despite knowing it has problems (and that’s not all public schools, so that’s an important caveat), then yes — I think that shows you don’t prioritize education. Prioritizing education means sending your kids to the absolute best place you can, whether that’s public or private.

This fool still thinks private education gives any advantage over public education. Taking out St. Albans and Sidwell, the college admissions are practically identical for public and private in the DMV.

And you're the "fool" who completely missed the boat that education is MORE than college admissions for these families.

How are they measuring the outcomes then? Getting into college is a culmination of a lot of things from grades to test scores to extracurriculars to the actual application. If the students at privates and publics have the same end result with similar inputs , then what’s the differentiator on one education being better than the other ?

There aren’t really objective metrics on it. You know it when you see it. I gather you haven’t been inside an excellent private school and seen how the classes are run. IYKYK.

The elite NE boarding schools blow away everyone else on college admissions. Outside of them, it’s about going to the schools and seeing it for yourself.

So they are allegedly run much better and yet, still have the same results in academics, extracurriculars, test scores, application process and thus admissions.
Ok

They generally have better results, but again — it’s about more than that.

If you really want to understand it, then compare what the top private schools have to offer vs public schools, from a programmatic and academic standpoint. We’re not going to do the research for you. Compare the course of study from, say, Holton vs Whitman.

Of course, if you don’t care to understand and just want to sit with your assumptions, then continue as you have been and don’t educate yourself at all.

I know people who have graduated from both Holton and Whitman with similar outcomes in academics, college admissions and work/life. Nearly all outcomes in the DMV are like this too.
You can't point to any objective metrics but only "feels"
Sounds like you need to educate yourself on what you're really paying for

Nah, I’m good. I went to public middle school and private high school. I know exactly what I’m paying for and I’m happy about it.

Maybe you could … wait for it … mind your own business!

I know. It’s hard.

You are posting on a public forum and telling people to mind their own business? That isn't how it works. You post, people get to respond. Don't like it? Don't post.

Here’s a metric for you: my kid’s class has 16 kids and 2 full teachers. What’s the student:teacher ratio in public schools? What’s the research on the impact of student:teacher ratio on learning?

My kid has access to full art studios, theater programs, a full slate of subject areas, etc. This is all in lower school. She doesn’t waste time on standardized tests. There’s no subpar curriculum crap, like in MCPS. The upper elementary school and middle school students read full books, rather than excerpts.

That 16 student model was part of the reason we left a private school. It was a bubble, which limited opportunities and experiences. With just 8 boys and 8 girls, there was reduced potential for a kid to find their tribe - the social scene for boys was dominated by one kingpin boy. With such small student numbers, there wasn't a large number of really smart kids, and the school didn't offer the differentiated classes that we found when our kids moved to public school.

There was one chemistry teacher and one physics teacher at the private school, not a department of these teachers working together.

It's hard to have a top math team or robotics team for example when a school just doesn't have as many interested talented kids.

I'm not sure why you think public school kids just read excerpts. My kids read full novels and non fiction books, and many of them.

We just toured and wrapped up school visits. My child said the classes seemed easier and the kids were distracted. He said kids were talking, on their phones and the teacher didn’t have control of the class.

I have heard the small class size complaint from many. When there are only a few girls in a grade, you may not have many girls to make friends with. I know there are mean girls everywhere but there is a special kind of rich mean girl.

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Not in D.C., but we switched our kids from private to public to avoid many of the social issues with private schools. In private schools there are usually a limited number of friend groups and one or two mean kids can (and did) disrupt everyone in the grade. In public school they had a chance to really choose their own friends.

Also, private school life was just such a bubble and there was much more emphasis on wealth. We really felt the need to let our children see the world as it really is and to learn to interact with everyone. (The public schools they attended were much more racially and economically diverse than the thise in Montgomery County and NOVA.) They both got into top tier universities and did as well, if not better, than their boarding school educated friends.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think an unhooked smart kid is better off in public?

We know a family who sends their kid to St Albans and it seems like the mom has been rejected socially. It seems like a lot of trouble and money to attend an elite school to not be included. Parents are wealthy enough to full pay but not rich. Parents attended good schools but not ivy. I know they want their kids to go to an ivy or equivalent.

Many families that prioritize academics left public schools. So it is much easier for a smart academically minded kid to find their peeps in private. That’s part of why we go, even though financially it is very hard.

Parental inclusion? How old is DD, because after 4th it’s all drop off events and I’m not looking to make parent friends. Sure I’ll be friendly and chat when we encounter each other, but how often would that even happen

Are you saying parents don’t prioritize education if they send their kids to public?

I’m not OP, but I’ll be honest since it’s anonymous: if you can afford an excellent private school and choose to send your kids to a public school, despite knowing it has problems (and that’s not all public schools, so that’s an important caveat), then yes — I think that shows you don’t prioritize education. Prioritizing education means sending your kids to the absolute best place you can, whether that’s public or private.

This fool still thinks private education gives any advantage over public education. Taking out St. Albans and Sidwell, the college admissions are practically identical for public and private in the DMV.

And you're the "fool" who completely missed the boat that education is MORE than college admissions for these families.

How are they measuring the outcomes then? Getting into college is a culmination of a lot of things from grades to test scores to extracurriculars to the actual application. If the students at privates and publics have the same end result with similar inputs , then what’s the differentiator on one education being better than the other ?

There aren’t really objective metrics on it. You know it when you see it. I gather you haven’t been inside an excellent private school and seen how the classes are run. IYKYK.

The elite NE boarding schools blow away everyone else on college admissions. Outside of them, it’s about going to the schools and seeing it for yourself.

So they are allegedly run much better and yet, still have the same results in academics, extracurriculars, test scores, application process and thus admissions.
Ok

They generally have better results, but again — it’s about more than that.

If you really want to understand it, then compare what the top private schools have to offer vs public schools, from a programmatic and academic standpoint. We’re not going to do the research for you. Compare the course of study from, say, Holton vs Whitman.

Of course, if you don’t care to understand and just want to sit with your assumptions, then continue as you have been and don’t educate yourself at all.

I know people who have graduated from both Holton and Whitman with similar outcomes in academics, college admissions and work/life. Nearly all outcomes in the DMV are like this too.
You can't point to any objective metrics but only "feels"
Sounds like you need to educate yourself on what you're really paying for

Nah, I’m good. I went to public middle school and private high school. I know exactly what I’m paying for and I’m happy about it.

Maybe you could … wait for it … mind your own business!

I know. It’s hard.

You are posting on a public forum and telling people to mind their own business? That isn't how it works. You post, people get to respond. Don't like it? Don't post.

Here’s a metric for you: my kid’s class has 16 kids and 2 full teachers. What’s the student:teacher ratio in public schools? What’s the research on the impact of student:teacher ratio on learning?

My kid has access to full art studios, theater programs, a full slate of subject areas, etc. This is all in lower school. She doesn’t waste time on standardized tests. There’s no subpar curriculum crap, like in MCPS. The upper elementary school and middle school students read full books, rather than excerpts.

That 16 student model was part of the reason we left a private school. It was a bubble, which limited opportunities and experiences. With just 8 boys and 8 girls, there was reduced potential for a kid to find their tribe - the social scene for boys was dominated by one kingpin boy. With such small student numbers, there wasn't a large number of really smart kids, and the school didn't offer the differentiated classes that we found when our kids moved to public school.

There was one chemistry teacher and one physics teacher at the private school, not a department of these teachers working together.

It's hard to have a top math team or robotics team for example when a school just doesn't have as many interested talented kids.

I'm not sure why you think public school kids just read excerpts. My kids read full novels and non fiction books, and many of them.

We just toured and wrapped up school visits. My child said the classes seemed easier and the kids were distracted. He said kids were talking, on their phones and the teacher didn’t have control of the class.

I have heard the small class size complaint from many. When there are only a few girls in a grade, you may not have many girls to make friends with. I know there are mean girls everywhere but there is a special kind of rich mean girl.

Please name the school. I don’t know of any decent private school that allows phones in class.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think an unhooked smart kid is better off in public?

We know a family who sends their kid to St Albans and it seems like the mom has been rejected socially. It seems like a lot of trouble and money to attend an elite school to not be included. Parents are wealthy enough to full pay but not rich. Parents attended good schools but not ivy. I know they want their kids to go to an ivy or equivalent.

Many families that prioritize academics left public schools. So it is much easier for a smart academically minded kid to find their peeps in private. That’s part of why we go, even though financially it is very hard.

Parental inclusion? How old is DD, because after 4th it’s all drop off events and I’m not looking to make parent friends. Sure I’ll be friendly and chat when we encounter each other, but how often would that even happen

Are you saying parents don’t prioritize education if they send their kids to public?

I’m not OP, but I’ll be honest since it’s anonymous: if you can afford an excellent private school and choose to send your kids to a public school, despite knowing it has problems (and that’s not all public schools, so that’s an important caveat), then yes — I think that shows you don’t prioritize education. Prioritizing education means sending your kids to the absolute best place you can, whether that’s public or private.

This fool still thinks private education gives any advantage over public education. Taking out St. Albans and Sidwell, the college admissions are practically identical for public and private in the DMV.

And you're the "fool" who completely missed the boat that education is MORE than college admissions for these families.

How are they measuring the outcomes then? Getting into college is a culmination of a lot of things from grades to test scores to extracurriculars to the actual application. If the students at privates and publics have the same end result with similar inputs , then what’s the differentiator on one education being better than the other ?

There aren’t really objective metrics on it. You know it when you see it. I gather you haven’t been inside an excellent private school and seen how the classes are run. IYKYK.

The elite NE boarding schools blow away everyone else on college admissions. Outside of them, it’s about going to the schools and seeing it for yourself.

So they are allegedly run much better and yet, still have the same results in academics, extracurriculars, test scores, application process and thus admissions.
Ok

They generally have better results, but again — it’s about more than that.

If you really want to understand it, then compare what the top private schools have to offer vs public schools, from a programmatic and academic standpoint. We’re not going to do the research for you. Compare the course of study from, say, Holton vs Whitman.

Of course, if you don’t care to understand and just want to sit with your assumptions, then continue as you have been and don’t educate yourself at all.

I know people who have graduated from both Holton and Whitman with similar outcomes in academics, college admissions and work/life. Nearly all outcomes in the DMV are like this too.
You can't point to any objective metrics but only "feels"
Sounds like you need to educate yourself on what you're really paying for

Nah, I’m good. I went to public middle school and private high school. I know exactly what I’m paying for and I’m happy about it.

Maybe you could … wait for it … mind your own business!

I know. It’s hard.

You are posting on a public forum and telling people to mind their own business? That isn't how it works. You post, people get to respond. Don't like it? Don't post.

Here’s a metric for you: my kid’s class has 16 kids and 2 full teachers. What’s the student:teacher ratio in public schools? What’s the research on the impact of student:teacher ratio on learning?

My kid has access to full art studios, theater programs, a full slate of subject areas, etc. This is all in lower school. She doesn’t waste time on standardized tests. There’s no subpar curriculum crap, like in MCPS. The upper elementary school and middle school students read full books, rather than excerpts.

That 16 student model was part of the reason we left a private school. It was a bubble, which limited opportunities and experiences. With just 8 boys and 8 girls, there was reduced potential for a kid to find their tribe - the social scene for boys was dominated by one kingpin boy. With such small student numbers, there wasn't a large number of really smart kids, and the school didn't offer the differentiated classes that we found when our kids moved to public school.

There was one chemistry teacher and one physics teacher at the private school, not a department of these teachers working together.

It's hard to have a top math team or robotics team for example when a school just doesn't have as many interested talented kids.

I'm not sure why you think public school kids just read excerpts. My kids read full novels and non fiction books, and many of them.

Are you in MCPS? It’s not at all uncommon to read excerpts.

It’s funny you mentioned robotics. My kid’s private school has a robotics team that’s going to the state championships.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think an unhooked smart kid is better off in public?

We know a family who sends their kid to St Albans and it seems like the mom has been rejected socially. It seems like a lot of trouble and money to attend an elite school to not be included. Parents are wealthy enough to full pay but not rich. Parents attended good schools but not ivy. I know they want their kids to go to an ivy or equivalent.

Many families that prioritize academics left public schools. So it is much easier for a smart academically minded kid to find their peeps in private. That’s part of why we go, even though financially it is very hard.

Parental inclusion? How old is DD, because after 4th it’s all drop off events and I’m not looking to make parent friends. Sure I’ll be friendly and chat when we encounter each other, but how often would that even happen

Are you saying parents don’t prioritize education if they send their kids to public?

I’m not OP, but I’ll be honest since it’s anonymous: if you can afford an excellent private school and choose to send your kids to a public school, despite knowing it has problems (and that’s not all public schools, so that’s an important caveat), then yes — I think that shows you don’t prioritize education. Prioritizing education means sending your kids to the absolute best place you can, whether that’s public or private.

This fool still thinks private education gives any advantage over public education. Taking out St. Albans and Sidwell, the college admissions are practically identical for public and private in the DMV.

And you're the "fool" who completely missed the boat that education is MORE than college admissions for these families.

How are they measuring the outcomes then? Getting into college is a culmination of a lot of things from grades to test scores to extracurriculars to the actual application. If the students at privates and publics have the same end result with similar inputs , then what’s the differentiator on one education being better than the other ?

There aren’t really objective metrics on it. You know it when you see it. I gather you haven’t been inside an excellent private school and seen how the classes are run. IYKYK.

The elite NE boarding schools blow away everyone else on college admissions. Outside of them, it’s about going to the schools and seeing it for yourself.

So they are allegedly run much better and yet, still have the same results in academics, extracurriculars, test scores, application process and thus admissions.
Ok

They generally have better results, but again — it’s about more than that.

If you really want to understand it, then compare what the top private schools have to offer vs public schools, from a programmatic and academic standpoint. We’re not going to do the research for you. Compare the course of study from, say, Holton vs Whitman.

Of course, if you don’t care to understand and just want to sit with your assumptions, then continue as you have been and don’t educate yourself at all.

I know people who have graduated from both Holton and Whitman with similar outcomes in academics, college admissions and work/life. Nearly all outcomes in the DMV are like this too.
You can't point to any objective metrics but only "feels"
Sounds like you need to educate yourself on what you're really paying for

Nah, I’m good. I went to public middle school and private high school. I know exactly what I’m paying for and I’m happy about it.

Maybe you could … wait for it … mind your own business!

I know. It’s hard.

You are posting on a public forum and telling people to mind their own business? That isn't how it works. You post, people get to respond. Don't like it? Don't post.

Here’s a metric for you: my kid’s class has 16 kids and 2 full teachers. What’s the student:teacher ratio in public schools? What’s the research on the impact of student:teacher ratio on learning?

My kid has access to full art studios, theater programs, a full slate of subject areas, etc. This is all in lower school. She doesn’t waste time on standardized tests. There’s no subpar curriculum crap, like in MCPS. The upper elementary school and middle school students read full books, rather than excerpts.

... if you aren't taking standardized tests, do you actually know that it's not subpar? Though I suppose standardized tests are not necessarily going to catch children of well-educated, wealthy parents, unless you really dive into the data. And few do.

I mention this because not long ago on this board we learned a large number of elite schools were using Lucy Caulkins, F&P, and other reading programs of that ilk, which are notably poor curricula. I suppose it does help the cause of equity by handicapping the children of the egregiously rich.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you people falling for an obvious and badly done troll?

Maybe OP is actually the person who is not doing well socially. If not, the friend will certainly be able to ID herself based on this thread. Not smart or kind.