+2 And they dramatically changed the story of Frank's death as well. Agree they changed both characters' ending while getting Joel and Ellie where they needed to go. |
Get over it. You can start your own boring thread. People post spoilers based on books all the time. |
DP - OMG!!! I knew he looked familiar but had no clue he was the same guy from White Lotus! Mind Blown! |
I’ve only seen him in White Lotus, Chippendales, and this, but I swear he looks completely different in every show he’s in. I pride myself on having a mini-IMDB in my head (can recognize actors and name where else they’ve appeared), but he stumps me every time. |
Although it was a bit overhyped imo (the best episode ever in the history of tv!), it was a pleasure to watch. |
+1 Not cool. |
Don’t read the thread before you watch. ![]() |
It was all over social media—best tv episode EVER!!!! |
That was some wonderful TV. I kept waiting for something to go wrong, or for something to be not as it seemed, but it just kept being beautiful and loving and sweet.
This show is goooooooooood. |
I'm a huge fan of the Walking Dead fan (Glenn my heart) - but just based on this last episode alone (and we're only 3 in!) - I would rank it better than TWD. So well done. |
It was a really wonderful episode. I was minorly spoiled for it because I follow Tom & Lorenzo and they'd seen it before it aired and posted several non-spoilers but rave comments about it before it aired with stills from the episode so I knew from the jump base don context clues that Murray Bartlett was going to show up and also that presumably they would have a relationship. So I think that dulled the emotional impact of the storyline a bit for me but it was still incredibly well done. Murray Bartlett was wonderful as always but I loved what Nick Offerman did with that role, which was in many ways the same role he always plays except in a very unique situation and getting to see that character become vulnerable the way he does was so touching. I would love to see these two actors in something else again. Just really amazing. "You were my purpose." Gut wrenching but yes, Frank, romantic.
Also just want to echo the sentiment that sometimes storylines like this feel shoehorned in to deliver some requisite diversity to a show and this didn't at all. It felt totally organic and it did not feel possible to imagine this storyline with any other characters than this. It didn't feel like a "gay storyline" so much as it just felt entirely like Bill & Frank's story and their gender and sexual orientation was secondary to their unique characters and relationship. I also liked that we are seeing this love story between them unfold in full before we ever find out exactly what the nature of Joel and Tess's relationship was, even after Tess has died. It feels like this episode and others will continue to hint at what was between them, and we will continue to get flashbacks to when Joel and Tess were together, throughout the season until it is more clear what they had between them. And I like that way of telling their story because it allows us to see it through Ellie's eyes a bit, as she is also on the outside looking in, but unlike Ellie, we are also getting a Birdseye view via a parallel storyline like this that likely has some relationship to Joel and Tess (as is made clear in the scenes between the four of them and also in Bill's note to Joel, where it is made clear that there are parallels between Bill and Joel though also clear differences that I think bother Joel and he doesn't want to think about them). Anyway, if this episode doesn't sell you on this show, not sure what will. |
Regarding game spoilers, maybe the OP of this thread could ask Jeff to add "(No Game Spoilers)" to the thread title to make clear that people can talk about aired episodes here but not speculative game spoilers, and if people want to create a thread with game spoilers they can. That's how we used to handle it on Television Without Pity when I used to post there about television shows, so that people who just wanted to watch and discuss a show as it aired could do so without being spoiled by people talking about source material, casting news, and other external information. |
I really don't understand how game spoilers is different than Game of Thrones, HOTD, Fleishman series, or any other movie/show based on a book. Plus I think I am the only one who thinks Bill is alive based on the game so it's not even a spoiler, it's just a theory. I asked Jeff to add in WITH game spoilers, so if you all want to start a thread with no game info in it, you may. - OP. |
Weird. I only saw that here. |
Np. I saw several articles to that effect on Facebook and Insta. |