Richard Montgomery's non-IB program - high performing?

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that's interesting. Heard the opposite: that college is a cakewalk after magnet IB.

The IB diploma program is exactly the same whether you're doing it in a magnet IB school or a home-school IB school.

To get the IB diploma, yes, the criteria is the same.

However, RMIB magnet workload is a lot more and harder than other IB programs. It's pretty well known in the IB world that RMIB magnet is pretty intense. DC in RMIB told me that a new person joined IB magnet from a private school that had IB, and this person said that RMIB is a lot harder than what they experienced in their private school. Coursework is not the same for all IB program.

So, no, not all of the IB programs are the same, not that it makes a difference in getting the IB diploma. Even so, RMIB diploma rate is a lot higher than any of the IB programs in MCPS, if not nationally.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/contentassets/791d9e3ecf514dffa7e5f8b8cffd2a27/5451_23_rmhs-profile-insert.pdf?usp=sharing

The coursework for the IB diploma programme is the same everywhere. Same classes. Same requirements.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/

The PP that started compared college to "Magnet IB." That is a different thing than the IB diploma programme. In particular, two years of coursework v. four.

And just because there are the same classes, it does not mean the rigor is the same.

It's not just the same classes. It's the same work.

Honest question. Then how come other schools' IB programs don't produce as many NMSF as RM/IB?

DP. Same curriculum, different cohort.

Not exactly the same curriculum, otherwise, they wouldn't have ~1000 kids applying every year.

The IB classes have the same curriculum whether they're at RM or Kennedy or BCC. They have a different cohort of students and different teachers.

And RMIB is also more rigorous. Tell yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel better.

DP here. PP said basically that.

The IB classes at all schools all use the same curriculum as prescribed by the IBO and students eventually take the same tests. But RM does have a different cohort of students, because it has been cherry-picking the top students from all of the other high schools without an IB program (and some with). Teachers adapt classes to meet the needs and interests of their students. When you have a larger number of extremely well prepared students (due to both magnet selection and MYP cohorting in 9th and 10th grades) courses can be taught at a quicker pace and to more depth. Where you see a difference between RM and other IB programs is higher overall IB test scores. The magnet selection process is also why RM (and other magnets) have more NMSF than other high schools. RM isn't "producing" them via classes, they are pulling the highest performers to the school.

The curriculum may be the same, but RMIB is definitely harder. Kids from other IB programs who go to RMIB have stated this. RMIB teachers who attend IB conferences have stated that they meet other IB teachers from all over the country who know about RMIB because of its rigor.

You don't have a kid in RMIB, that is very much clear.

In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program.

You shouldn't assume things. I have a recent graduate from the RMIB program and am very experienced with how the program runs. I didn't say RMIB wasn't harder. In fact, I was explaining the main factors for why it is harder (magnet pulling top students from all over the county and 9th/10th cohorting in classes geared towards IBDP prep.)

It's not harder because of the peer cohort. It's harder because the coursework is more rigorous than other IB programs.

How would just having a higher achieving peer cohort make it harder if the curriculum and coursework is exactly the same?

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that's interesting. Heard the opposite: that college is a cakewalk after magnet IB.

The IB diploma program is exactly the same whether you're doing it in a magnet IB school or a home-school IB school.

To get the IB diploma, yes, the criteria is the same.

However, RMIB magnet workload is a lot more and harder than other IB programs. It's pretty well known in the IB world that RMIB magnet is pretty intense. DC in RMIB told me that a new person joined IB magnet from a private school that had IB, and this person said that RMIB is a lot harder than what they experienced in their private school. Coursework is not the same for all IB program.

So, no, not all of the IB programs are the same, not that it makes a difference in getting the IB diploma. Even so, RMIB diploma rate is a lot higher than any of the IB programs in MCPS, if not nationally.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/contentassets/791d9e3ecf514dffa7e5f8b8cffd2a27/5451_23_rmhs-profile-insert.pdf?usp=sharing

The coursework for the IB diploma programme is the same everywhere. Same classes. Same requirements.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/

The PP that started compared college to "Magnet IB." That is a different thing than the IB diploma programme. In particular, two years of coursework v. four.

And just because there are the same classes, it does not mean the rigor is the same.

It's not just the same classes. It's the same work.

Honest question. Then how come other schools' IB programs don't produce as many NMSF as RM/IB?

DP. Same curriculum, different cohort.

Not exactly the same curriculum, otherwise, they wouldn't have ~1000 kids applying every year.

The IB classes have the same curriculum whether they're at RM or Kennedy or BCC. They have a different cohort of students and different teachers.

And RMIB is also more rigorous. Tell yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel better.

DP here. PP said basically that.

The IB classes at all schools all use the same curriculum as prescribed by the IBO and students eventually take the same tests. But RM does have a different cohort of students, because it has been cherry-picking the top students from all of the other high schools without an IB program (and some with). Teachers adapt classes to meet the needs and interests of their students. When you have a larger number of extremely well prepared students (due to both magnet selection and MYP cohorting in 9th and 10th grades) courses can be taught at a quicker pace and to more depth. Where you see a difference between RM and other IB programs is higher overall IB test scores. The magnet selection process is also why RM (and other magnets) have more NMSF than other high schools. RM isn't "producing" them via classes, they are pulling the highest performers to the school.

The curriculum may be the same, but RMIB is definitely harder. Kids from other IB programs who go to RMIB have stated this. RMIB teachers who attend IB conferences have stated that they meet other IB teachers from all over the country who know about RMIB because of its rigor.

You don't have a kid in RMIB, that is very much clear.

In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program.

You shouldn't assume things. I have a recent graduate from the RMIB program and am very experienced with how the program runs. I didn't say RMIB wasn't harder. In fact, I was explaining the main factors for why it is harder (magnet pulling top students from all over the county and 9th/10th cohorting in classes geared towards IBDP prep.)

It's not harder because of the peer cohort. It's harder because the coursework is more rigorous than other IB programs.

How would just having a higher achieving peer cohort make it harder if the curriculum and coursework is exactly the same?

It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools.

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that's interesting. Heard the opposite: that college is a cakewalk after magnet IB.

The IB diploma program is exactly the same whether you're doing it in a magnet IB school or a home-school IB school.

To get the IB diploma, yes, the criteria is the same.

However, RMIB magnet workload is a lot more and harder than other IB programs. It's pretty well known in the IB world that RMIB magnet is pretty intense. DC in RMIB told me that a new person joined IB magnet from a private school that had IB, and this person said that RMIB is a lot harder than what they experienced in their private school. Coursework is not the same for all IB program.

So, no, not all of the IB programs are the same, not that it makes a difference in getting the IB diploma. Even so, RMIB diploma rate is a lot higher than any of the IB programs in MCPS, if not nationally.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/contentassets/791d9e3ecf514dffa7e5f8b8cffd2a27/5451_23_rmhs-profile-insert.pdf?usp=sharing

The coursework for the IB diploma programme is the same everywhere. Same classes. Same requirements.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/

The PP that started compared college to "Magnet IB." That is a different thing than the IB diploma programme. In particular, two years of coursework v. four.

And just because there are the same classes, it does not mean the rigor is the same.

It's not just the same classes. It's the same work.

Honest question. Then how come other schools' IB programs don't produce as many NMSF as RM/IB?

DP. Same curriculum, different cohort.

Not exactly the same curriculum, otherwise, they wouldn't have ~1000 kids applying every year.

The IB classes have the same curriculum whether they're at RM or Kennedy or BCC. They have a different cohort of students and different teachers.

And RMIB is also more rigorous. Tell yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel better.

DP here. PP said basically that.

The IB classes at all schools all use the same curriculum as prescribed by the IBO and students eventually take the same tests. But RM does have a different cohort of students, because it has been cherry-picking the top students from all of the other high schools without an IB program (and some with). Teachers adapt classes to meet the needs and interests of their students. When you have a larger number of extremely well prepared students (due to both magnet selection and MYP cohorting in 9th and 10th grades) courses can be taught at a quicker pace and to more depth. Where you see a difference between RM and other IB programs is higher overall IB test scores. The magnet selection process is also why RM (and other magnets) have more NMSF than other high schools. RM isn't "producing" them via classes, they are pulling the highest performers to the school.

The curriculum may be the same, but RMIB is definitely harder. Kids from other IB programs who go to RMIB have stated this. RMIB teachers who attend IB conferences have stated that they meet other IB teachers from all over the country who know about RMIB because of its rigor.

You don't have a kid in RMIB, that is very much clear.

In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program.

You shouldn't assume things. I have a recent graduate from the RMIB program and am very experienced with how the program runs. I didn't say RMIB wasn't harder. In fact, I was explaining the main factors for why it is harder (magnet pulling top students from all over the county and 9th/10th cohorting in classes geared towards IBDP prep.)

It's not harder because of the peer cohort. It's harder because the coursework is more rigorous than other IB programs.

How would just having a higher achieving peer cohort make it harder if the curriculum and coursework is exactly the same?

It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools.

Help me understand your reasoning. You say it is harder because of, to paraphrase, the students in the program. Why would that make it "harder"? And harder than what?

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that's interesting. Heard the opposite: that college is a cakewalk after magnet IB.

The IB diploma program is exactly the same whether you're doing it in a magnet IB school or a home-school IB school.

To get the IB diploma, yes, the criteria is the same.

However, RMIB magnet workload is a lot more and harder than other IB programs. It's pretty well known in the IB world that RMIB magnet is pretty intense. DC in RMIB told me that a new person joined IB magnet from a private school that had IB, and this person said that RMIB is a lot harder than what they experienced in their private school. Coursework is not the same for all IB program.

So, no, not all of the IB programs are the same, not that it makes a difference in getting the IB diploma. Even so, RMIB diploma rate is a lot higher than any of the IB programs in MCPS, if not nationally.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/contentassets/791d9e3ecf514dffa7e5f8b8cffd2a27/5451_23_rmhs-profile-insert.pdf?usp=sharing

The coursework for the IB diploma programme is the same everywhere. Same classes. Same requirements.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/

The PP that started compared college to "Magnet IB." That is a different thing than the IB diploma programme. In particular, two years of coursework v. four.

And just because there are the same classes, it does not mean the rigor is the same.

It's not just the same classes. It's the same work.

Honest question. Then how come other schools' IB programs don't produce as many NMSF as RM/IB?

DP. Same curriculum, different cohort.

Not exactly the same curriculum, otherwise, they wouldn't have ~1000 kids applying every year.

The IB classes have the same curriculum whether they're at RM or Kennedy or BCC. They have a different cohort of students and different teachers.

And RMIB is also more rigorous. Tell yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel better.

DP here. PP said basically that.

The IB classes at all schools all use the same curriculum as prescribed by the IBO and students eventually take the same tests. But RM does have a different cohort of students, because it has been cherry-picking the top students from all of the other high schools without an IB program (and some with). Teachers adapt classes to meet the needs and interests of their students. When you have a larger number of extremely well prepared students (due to both magnet selection and MYP cohorting in 9th and 10th grades) courses can be taught at a quicker pace and to more depth. Where you see a difference between RM and other IB programs is higher overall IB test scores. The magnet selection process is also why RM (and other magnets) have more NMSF than other high schools. RM isn't "producing" them via classes, they are pulling the highest performers to the school.

The curriculum may be the same, but RMIB is definitely harder. Kids from other IB programs who go to RMIB have stated this. RMIB teachers who attend IB conferences have stated that they meet other IB teachers from all over the country who know about RMIB because of its rigor.

You don't have a kid in RMIB, that is very much clear.

In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program.

You shouldn't assume things. I have a recent graduate from the RMIB program and am very experienced with how the program runs. I didn't say RMIB wasn't harder. In fact, I was explaining the main factors for why it is harder (magnet pulling top students from all over the county and 9th/10th cohorting in classes geared towards IBDP prep.)

It's not harder because of the peer cohort. It's harder because the coursework is more rigorous than other IB programs.

How would just having a higher achieving peer cohort make it harder if the curriculum and coursework is exactly the same?

It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools.

Help me understand your reasoning. You say it is harder because of, to paraphrase, the students in the program. Why would that make it "harder"? And harder than what?

I'm the PP who said, "It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools." A different person said it was harder because of the students. I wouldn't be surprised if the students in the RMIB program were more competitive with each other, but I'm just speculating.

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that's interesting. Heard the opposite: that college is a cakewalk after magnet IB.

The IB diploma program is exactly the same whether you're doing it in a magnet IB school or a home-school IB school.

To get the IB diploma, yes, the criteria is the same.

However, RMIB magnet workload is a lot more and harder than other IB programs. It's pretty well known in the IB world that RMIB magnet is pretty intense. DC in RMIB told me that a new person joined IB magnet from a private school that had IB, and this person said that RMIB is a lot harder than what they experienced in their private school. Coursework is not the same for all IB program.

So, no, not all of the IB programs are the same, not that it makes a difference in getting the IB diploma. Even so, RMIB diploma rate is a lot higher than any of the IB programs in MCPS, if not nationally.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/contentassets/791d9e3ecf514dffa7e5f8b8cffd2a27/5451_23_rmhs-profile-insert.pdf?usp=sharing

The coursework for the IB diploma programme is the same everywhere. Same classes. Same requirements.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/

The PP that started compared college to "Magnet IB." That is a different thing than the IB diploma programme. In particular, two years of coursework v. four.

And just because there are the same classes, it does not mean the rigor is the same.

It's not just the same classes. It's the same work.

Honest question. Then how come other schools' IB programs don't produce as many NMSF as RM/IB?

DP. Same curriculum, different cohort.

Not exactly the same curriculum, otherwise, they wouldn't have ~1000 kids applying every year.

The IB classes have the same curriculum whether they're at RM or Kennedy or BCC. They have a different cohort of students and different teachers.

And RMIB is also more rigorous. Tell yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel better.

DP here. PP said basically that.

The IB classes at all schools all use the same curriculum as prescribed by the IBO and students eventually take the same tests. But RM does have a different cohort of students, because it has been cherry-picking the top students from all of the other high schools without an IB program (and some with). Teachers adapt classes to meet the needs and interests of their students. When you have a larger number of extremely well prepared students (due to both magnet selection and MYP cohorting in 9th and 10th grades) courses can be taught at a quicker pace and to more depth. Where you see a difference between RM and other IB programs is higher overall IB test scores. The magnet selection process is also why RM (and other magnets) have more NMSF than other high schools. RM isn't "producing" them via classes, they are pulling the highest performers to the school.

The curriculum may be the same, but RMIB is definitely harder. Kids from other IB programs who go to RMIB have stated this. RMIB teachers who attend IB conferences have stated that they meet other IB teachers from all over the country who know about RMIB because of its rigor.

You don't have a kid in RMIB, that is very much clear.

In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program.

You shouldn't assume things. I have a recent graduate from the RMIB program and am very experienced with how the program runs. I didn't say RMIB wasn't harder. In fact, I was explaining the main factors for why it is harder (magnet pulling top students from all over the county and 9th/10th cohorting in classes geared towards IBDP prep.)

It's not harder because of the peer cohort. It's harder because the coursework is more rigorous than other IB programs.

How would just having a higher achieving peer cohort make it harder if the curriculum and coursework is exactly the same?

It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools.

Help me understand your reasoning. You say it is harder because of, to paraphrase, the students in the program. Why would that make it "harder"? And harder than what?

I'm the PP who said, "It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools." A different person said it was harder because of the students. I wouldn't be surprised if the students in the RMIB program were more competitive with each other, but I'm just speculating.

still don't see how that makes it harder. According to you, it's the exact same everything, even grading rubric and courseload, HW... Peer cohort being more competitive wouldn't change how difficult the assignment is, or the quantity.

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that's interesting. Heard the opposite: that college is a cakewalk after magnet IB.

The IB diploma program is exactly the same whether you're doing it in a magnet IB school or a home-school IB school.

To get the IB diploma, yes, the criteria is the same.

However, RMIB magnet workload is a lot more and harder than other IB programs. It's pretty well known in the IB world that RMIB magnet is pretty intense. DC in RMIB told me that a new person joined IB magnet from a private school that had IB, and this person said that RMIB is a lot harder than what they experienced in their private school. Coursework is not the same for all IB program.

So, no, not all of the IB programs are the same, not that it makes a difference in getting the IB diploma. Even so, RMIB diploma rate is a lot higher than any of the IB programs in MCPS, if not nationally.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/contentassets/791d9e3ecf514dffa7e5f8b8cffd2a27/5451_23_rmhs-profile-insert.pdf?usp=sharing

The coursework for the IB diploma programme is the same everywhere. Same classes. Same requirements.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/

The PP that started compared college to "Magnet IB." That is a different thing than the IB diploma programme. In particular, two years of coursework v. four.

And just because there are the same classes, it does not mean the rigor is the same.

It's not just the same classes. It's the same work.

Honest question. Then how come other schools' IB programs don't produce as many NMSF as RM/IB?

DP. Same curriculum, different cohort.

Not exactly the same curriculum, otherwise, they wouldn't have ~1000 kids applying every year.

The IB classes have the same curriculum whether they're at RM or Kennedy or BCC. They have a different cohort of students and different teachers.

And RMIB is also more rigorous. Tell yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel better.

DP here. PP said basically that.

The IB classes at all schools all use the same curriculum as prescribed by the IBO and students eventually take the same tests. But RM does have a different cohort of students, because it has been cherry-picking the top students from all of the other high schools without an IB program (and some with). Teachers adapt classes to meet the needs and interests of their students. When you have a larger number of extremely well prepared students (due to both magnet selection and MYP cohorting in 9th and 10th grades) courses can be taught at a quicker pace and to more depth. Where you see a difference between RM and other IB programs is higher overall IB test scores. The magnet selection process is also why RM (and other magnets) have more NMSF than other high schools. RM isn't "producing" them via classes, they are pulling the highest performers to the school.

The curriculum may be the same, but RMIB is definitely harder. Kids from other IB programs who go to RMIB have stated this. RMIB teachers who attend IB conferences have stated that they meet other IB teachers from all over the country who know about RMIB because of its rigor.

You don't have a kid in RMIB, that is very much clear.

In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program.

You shouldn't assume things. I have a recent graduate from the RMIB program and am very experienced with how the program runs. I didn't say RMIB wasn't harder. In fact, I was explaining the main factors for why it is harder (magnet pulling top students from all over the county and 9th/10th cohorting in classes geared towards IBDP prep.)

It's not harder because of the peer cohort. It's harder because the coursework is more rigorous than other IB programs.

How would just having a higher achieving peer cohort make it harder if the curriculum and coursework is exactly the same?

It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools.

Help me understand your reasoning. You say it is harder because of, to paraphrase, the students in the program. Why would that make it "harder"? And harder than what?

I'm the PP who said, "It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools." A different person said it was harder because of the students. I wouldn't be surprised if the students in the RMIB program were more competitive with each other, but I'm just speculating.

still don't see how that makes it harder. According to you, it's the exact same everything, even grading rubric and courseload, HW... Peer cohort being more competitive wouldn't change how difficult the assignment is, or the quantity.

It would make it even more stressful for the students.

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that's interesting. Heard the opposite: that college is a cakewalk after magnet IB.

The IB diploma program is exactly the same whether you're doing it in a magnet IB school or a home-school IB school.

To get the IB diploma, yes, the criteria is the same.

However, RMIB magnet workload is a lot more and harder than other IB programs. It's pretty well known in the IB world that RMIB magnet is pretty intense. DC in RMIB told me that a new person joined IB magnet from a private school that had IB, and this person said that RMIB is a lot harder than what they experienced in their private school. Coursework is not the same for all IB program.

So, no, not all of the IB programs are the same, not that it makes a difference in getting the IB diploma. Even so, RMIB diploma rate is a lot higher than any of the IB programs in MCPS, if not nationally.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/contentassets/791d9e3ecf514dffa7e5f8b8cffd2a27/5451_23_rmhs-profile-insert.pdf?usp=sharing

The coursework for the IB diploma programme is the same everywhere. Same classes. Same requirements.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/

The PP that started compared college to "Magnet IB." That is a different thing than the IB diploma programme. In particular, two years of coursework v. four.

And just because there are the same classes, it does not mean the rigor is the same.

It's not just the same classes. It's the same work.

Honest question. Then how come other schools' IB programs don't produce as many NMSF as RM/IB?

DP. Same curriculum, different cohort.

Not exactly the same curriculum, otherwise, they wouldn't have ~1000 kids applying every year.

The IB classes have the same curriculum whether they're at RM or Kennedy or BCC. They have a different cohort of students and different teachers.

And RMIB is also more rigorous. Tell yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel better.

DP here. PP said basically that.

The IB classes at all schools all use the same curriculum as prescribed by the IBO and students eventually take the same tests. But RM does have a different cohort of students, because it has been cherry-picking the top students from all of the other high schools without an IB program (and some with). Teachers adapt classes to meet the needs and interests of their students. When you have a larger number of extremely well prepared students (due to both magnet selection and MYP cohorting in 9th and 10th grades) courses can be taught at a quicker pace and to more depth. Where you see a difference between RM and other IB programs is higher overall IB test scores. The magnet selection process is also why RM (and other magnets) have more NMSF than other high schools. RM isn't "producing" them via classes, they are pulling the highest performers to the school.

The curriculum may be the same, but RMIB is definitely harder. Kids from other IB programs who go to RMIB have stated this. RMIB teachers who attend IB conferences have stated that they meet other IB teachers from all over the country who know about RMIB because of its rigor.

You don't have a kid in RMIB, that is very much clear.

In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program.

You shouldn't assume things. I have a recent graduate from the RMIB program and am very experienced with how the program runs. I didn't say RMIB wasn't harder. In fact, I was explaining the main factors for why it is harder (magnet pulling top students from all over the county and 9th/10th cohorting in classes geared towards IBDP prep.)

It's not harder because of the peer cohort. It's harder because the coursework is more rigorous than other IB programs.

How would just having a higher achieving peer cohort make it harder if the curriculum and coursework is exactly the same?

It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools.

Help me understand your reasoning. You say it is harder because of, to paraphrase, the students in the program. Why would that make it "harder"? And harder than what?

I'm the PP who said, "It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools." A different person said it was harder because of the students. I wouldn't be surprised if the students in the RMIB program were more competitive with each other, but I'm just speculating.

still don't see how that makes it harder. According to you, it's the exact same everything, even grading rubric and courseload, HW... Peer cohort being more competitive wouldn't change how difficult the assignment is, or the quantity.

It would make it even more stressful for the students.

maybe, but I don't think "harder" means stress from competitive peer cohorts.

1. RMIB DP students have to take TOK for 3 semesters; some other programs require just 1 semester. The IBO just states the student must take TOK and write a 1600 word essay. There is no set curriculum. It's just the IB framework the program must follow.
2. The coursework is not standardized. Teachers have lattitude to create their own materials. The IBO does not provide a set curriculum of handouts.

RMIB is a lot harder than other IBs. The coursework and tests are not the same.

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that's interesting. Heard the opposite: that college is a cakewalk after magnet IB.

The IB diploma program is exactly the same whether you're doing it in a magnet IB school or a home-school IB school.

To get the IB diploma, yes, the criteria is the same.

However, RMIB magnet workload is a lot more and harder than other IB programs. It's pretty well known in the IB world that RMIB magnet is pretty intense. DC in RMIB told me that a new person joined IB magnet from a private school that had IB, and this person said that RMIB is a lot harder than what they experienced in their private school. Coursework is not the same for all IB program.

So, no, not all of the IB programs are the same, not that it makes a difference in getting the IB diploma. Even so, RMIB diploma rate is a lot higher than any of the IB programs in MCPS, if not nationally.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/contentassets/791d9e3ecf514dffa7e5f8b8cffd2a27/5451_23_rmhs-profile-insert.pdf?usp=sharing

The coursework for the IB diploma programme is the same everywhere. Same classes. Same requirements.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/

The PP that started compared college to "Magnet IB." That is a different thing than the IB diploma programme. In particular, two years of coursework v. four.

And just because there are the same classes, it does not mean the rigor is the same.

It's not just the same classes. It's the same work.

Honest question. Then how come other schools' IB programs don't produce as many NMSF as RM/IB?

DP. Same curriculum, different cohort.

Not exactly the same curriculum, otherwise, they wouldn't have ~1000 kids applying every year.

The IB classes have the same curriculum whether they're at RM or Kennedy or BCC. They have a different cohort of students and different teachers.

And RMIB is also more rigorous. Tell yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel better.

DP here. PP said basically that.

The IB classes at all schools all use the same curriculum as prescribed by the IBO and students eventually take the same tests. But RM does have a different cohort of students, because it has been cherry-picking the top students from all of the other high schools without an IB program (and some with). Teachers adapt classes to meet the needs and interests of their students. When you have a larger number of extremely well prepared students (due to both magnet selection and MYP cohorting in 9th and 10th grades) courses can be taught at a quicker pace and to more depth. Where you see a difference between RM and other IB programs is higher overall IB test scores. The magnet selection process is also why RM (and other magnets) have more NMSF than other high schools. RM isn't "producing" them via classes, they are pulling the highest performers to the school.

The curriculum may be the same, but RMIB is definitely harder. Kids from other IB programs who go to RMIB have stated this. RMIB teachers who attend IB conferences have stated that they meet other IB teachers from all over the country who know about RMIB because of its rigor.

You don't have a kid in RMIB, that is very much clear.

In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program.

You shouldn't assume things. I have a recent graduate from the RMIB program and am very experienced with how the program runs. I didn't say RMIB wasn't harder. In fact, I was explaining the main factors for why it is harder (magnet pulling top students from all over the county and 9th/10th cohorting in classes geared towards IBDP prep.)

It's not harder because of the peer cohort. It's harder because the coursework is more rigorous than other IB programs.

How would just having a higher achieving peer cohort make it harder if the curriculum and coursework is exactly the same?

It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools.

Help me understand your reasoning. You say it is harder because of, to paraphrase, the students in the program. Why would that make it "harder"? And harder than what?

I'm the PP who said, "It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools." A different person said it was harder because of the students. I wouldn't be surprised if the students in the RMIB program were more competitive with each other, but I'm just speculating.

still don't see how that makes it harder. According to you, it's the exact same everything, even grading rubric and courseload, HW... Peer cohort being more competitive wouldn't change how difficult the assignment is, or the quantity.

It would make it even more stressful for the students.

maybe, but I don't think "harder" means stress from competitive peer cohorts.

1. RMIB DP students have to take TOK for 3 semesters; some other programs require just 1 semester. The IBO just states the student must take TOK and write a 1600 word essay. There is no set curriculum. It's just the IB framework the program must follow.
2. The coursework is not standardized. Teachers have lattitude to create their own materials. The IBO does not provide a set curriculum of handouts.

RMIB is a lot harder than other IBs. The coursework and tests are not the same.

DP students take Theory of Knowledge for 3 semesters at SVHS too.

Yes, the IB coursework isn't standardized. Why would it be harder at RM?

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"In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program."

OP here. Thank you for the above perspective. I appreciate it.

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that's interesting. Heard the opposite: that college is a cakewalk after magnet IB.

The IB diploma program is exactly the same whether you're doing it in a magnet IB school or a home-school IB school.

To get the IB diploma, yes, the criteria is the same.

However, RMIB magnet workload is a lot more and harder than other IB programs. It's pretty well known in the IB world that RMIB magnet is pretty intense. DC in RMIB told me that a new person joined IB magnet from a private school that had IB, and this person said that RMIB is a lot harder than what they experienced in their private school. Coursework is not the same for all IB program.

So, no, not all of the IB programs are the same, not that it makes a difference in getting the IB diploma. Even so, RMIB diploma rate is a lot higher than any of the IB programs in MCPS, if not nationally.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/contentassets/791d9e3ecf514dffa7e5f8b8cffd2a27/5451_23_rmhs-profile-insert.pdf?usp=sharing

The coursework for the IB diploma programme is the same everywhere. Same classes. Same requirements.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/

The PP that started compared college to "Magnet IB." That is a different thing than the IB diploma programme. In particular, two years of coursework v. four.

And just because there are the same classes, it does not mean the rigor is the same.

It's not just the same classes. It's the same work.

Honest question. Then how come other schools' IB programs don't produce as many NMSF as RM/IB?

DP. Same curriculum, different cohort.

Not exactly the same curriculum, otherwise, they wouldn't have ~1000 kids applying every year.

The IB classes have the same curriculum whether they're at RM or Kennedy or BCC. They have a different cohort of students and different teachers.

And RMIB is also more rigorous. Tell yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel better.

DP here. PP said basically that.

The IB classes at all schools all use the same curriculum as prescribed by the IBO and students eventually take the same tests. But RM does have a different cohort of students, because it has been cherry-picking the top students from all of the other high schools without an IB program (and some with). Teachers adapt classes to meet the needs and interests of their students. When you have a larger number of extremely well prepared students (due to both magnet selection and MYP cohorting in 9th and 10th grades) courses can be taught at a quicker pace and to more depth. Where you see a difference between RM and other IB programs is higher overall IB test scores. The magnet selection process is also why RM (and other magnets) have more NMSF than other high schools. RM isn't "producing" them via classes, they are pulling the highest performers to the school.

The curriculum may be the same, but RMIB is definitely harder. Kids from other IB programs who go to RMIB have stated this. RMIB teachers who attend IB conferences have stated that they meet other IB teachers from all over the country who know about RMIB because of its rigor.

You don't have a kid in RMIB, that is very much clear.

In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program.

You shouldn't assume things. I have a recent graduate from the RMIB program and am very experienced with how the program runs. I didn't say RMIB wasn't harder. In fact, I was explaining the main factors for why it is harder (magnet pulling top students from all over the county and 9th/10th cohorting in classes geared towards IBDP prep.)

It's not harder because of the peer cohort. It's harder because the coursework is more rigorous than other IB programs.

How would just having a higher achieving peer cohort make it harder if the curriculum and coursework is exactly the same?

It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools.

Help me understand your reasoning. You say it is harder because of, to paraphrase, the students in the program. Why would that make it "harder"? And harder than what?

I'm the PP who said, "It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools." A different person said it was harder because of the students. I wouldn't be surprised if the students in the RMIB program were more competitive with each other, but I'm just speculating.

still don't see how that makes it harder. According to you, it's the exact same everything, even grading rubric and courseload, HW... Peer cohort being more competitive wouldn't change how difficult the assignment is, or the quantity.

It would make it even more stressful for the students.

maybe, but I don't think "harder" means stress from competitive peer cohorts.

1. RMIB DP students have to take TOK for 3 semesters; some other programs require just 1 semester. The IBO just states the student must take TOK and write a 1600 word essay. There is no set curriculum. It's just the IB framework the program must follow.
2. The coursework is not standardized. Teachers have lattitude to create their own materials. The IBO does not provide a set curriculum of handouts.

RMIB is a lot harder than other IBs. The coursework and tests are not the same.

DP students take Theory of Knowledge for 3 semesters at SVHS too.

Yes, the IB coursework isn't standardized. Why would it be harder at RM?

Re-read the bolded. The coursework at RMIB is harder. Teachers have higher expectations. There's more work, a lot more, compared to other IB programs. As I stated previously, a student from a different IB program came into RMIB, and they (and their parents) complained about the volume of work at RMIB compared to the previous program they came from.

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that's interesting. Heard the opposite: that college is a cakewalk after magnet IB.

The IB diploma program is exactly the same whether you're doing it in a magnet IB school or a home-school IB school.

To get the IB diploma, yes, the criteria is the same.

However, RMIB magnet workload is a lot more and harder than other IB programs. It's pretty well known in the IB world that RMIB magnet is pretty intense. DC in RMIB told me that a new person joined IB magnet from a private school that had IB, and this person said that RMIB is a lot harder than what they experienced in their private school. Coursework is not the same for all IB program.

So, no, not all of the IB programs are the same, not that it makes a difference in getting the IB diploma. Even so, RMIB diploma rate is a lot higher than any of the IB programs in MCPS, if not nationally.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/contentassets/791d9e3ecf514dffa7e5f8b8cffd2a27/5451_23_rmhs-profile-insert.pdf?usp=sharing

The coursework for the IB diploma programme is the same everywhere. Same classes. Same requirements.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/

The PP that started compared college to "Magnet IB." That is a different thing than the IB diploma programme. In particular, two years of coursework v. four.

And just because there are the same classes, it does not mean the rigor is the same.

It's not just the same classes. It's the same work.

Honest question. Then how come other schools' IB programs don't produce as many NMSF as RM/IB?

DP. Same curriculum, different cohort.

Not exactly the same curriculum, otherwise, they wouldn't have ~1000 kids applying every year.

The IB classes have the same curriculum whether they're at RM or Kennedy or BCC. They have a different cohort of students and different teachers.

And RMIB is also more rigorous. Tell yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel better.

DP here. PP said basically that.

The IB classes at all schools all use the same curriculum as prescribed by the IBO and students eventually take the same tests. But RM does have a different cohort of students, because it has been cherry-picking the top students from all of the other high schools without an IB program (and some with). Teachers adapt classes to meet the needs and interests of their students. When you have a larger number of extremely well prepared students (due to both magnet selection and MYP cohorting in 9th and 10th grades) courses can be taught at a quicker pace and to more depth. Where you see a difference between RM and other IB programs is higher overall IB test scores. The magnet selection process is also why RM (and other magnets) have more NMSF than other high schools. RM isn't "producing" them via classes, they are pulling the highest performers to the school.

The curriculum may be the same, but RMIB is definitely harder. Kids from other IB programs who go to RMIB have stated this. RMIB teachers who attend IB conferences have stated that they meet other IB teachers from all over the country who know about RMIB because of its rigor.

You don't have a kid in RMIB, that is very much clear.

In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program.

You shouldn't assume things. I have a recent graduate from the RMIB program and am very experienced with how the program runs. I didn't say RMIB wasn't harder. In fact, I was explaining the main factors for why it is harder (magnet pulling top students from all over the county and 9th/10th cohorting in classes geared towards IBDP prep.)

It's not harder because of the peer cohort. It's harder because the coursework is more rigorous than other IB programs.

How would just having a higher achieving peer cohort make it harder if the curriculum and coursework is exactly the same?

It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools.

Help me understand your reasoning. You say it is harder because of, to paraphrase, the students in the program. Why would that make it "harder"? And harder than what?

I'm the PP who said, "It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools." A different person said it was harder because of the students. I wouldn't be surprised if the students in the RMIB program were more competitive with each other, but I'm just speculating.

still don't see how that makes it harder. According to you, it's the exact same everything, even grading rubric and courseload, HW... Peer cohort being more competitive wouldn't change how difficult the assignment is, or the quantity.

It would make it even more stressful for the students.

maybe, but I don't think "harder" means stress from competitive peer cohorts.

1. RMIB DP students have to take TOK for 3 semesters; some other programs require just 1 semester. The IBO just states the student must take TOK and write a 1600 word essay. There is no set curriculum. It's just the IB framework the program must follow.
2. The coursework is not standardized. Teachers have lattitude to create their own materials. The IBO does not provide a set curriculum of handouts.

RMIB is a lot harder than other IBs. The coursework and tests are not the same.

DP students take Theory of Knowledge for 3 semesters at SVHS too.

Yes, the IB coursework isn't standardized. Why would it be harder at RM?

Re-read the bolded. The coursework at RMIB is harder. Teachers have higher expectations. There's more work, a lot more, compared to other IB programs. As I stated previously, a student from a different IB program came into RMIB, and they (and their parents) complained about the volume of work at RMIB compared to the previous program they came from.

You are basing this assessment, that IB at RM is harder than IB at other schools, on the experience of one student from an IB program at a private school?

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that's interesting. Heard the opposite: that college is a cakewalk after magnet IB.

The IB diploma program is exactly the same whether you're doing it in a magnet IB school or a home-school IB school.

To get the IB diploma, yes, the criteria is the same.

However, RMIB magnet workload is a lot more and harder than other IB programs. It's pretty well known in the IB world that RMIB magnet is pretty intense. DC in RMIB told me that a new person joined IB magnet from a private school that had IB, and this person said that RMIB is a lot harder than what they experienced in their private school. Coursework is not the same for all IB program.

So, no, not all of the IB programs are the same, not that it makes a difference in getting the IB diploma. Even so, RMIB diploma rate is a lot higher than any of the IB programs in MCPS, if not nationally.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/contentassets/791d9e3ecf514dffa7e5f8b8cffd2a27/5451_23_rmhs-profile-insert.pdf?usp=sharing

The coursework for the IB diploma programme is the same everywhere. Same classes. Same requirements.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/

The PP that started compared college to "Magnet IB." That is a different thing than the IB diploma programme. In particular, two years of coursework v. four.

And just because there are the same classes, it does not mean the rigor is the same.

It's not just the same classes. It's the same work.

Honest question. Then how come other schools' IB programs don't produce as many NMSF as RM/IB?

DP. Same curriculum, different cohort.

Not exactly the same curriculum, otherwise, they wouldn't have ~1000 kids applying every year.

The IB classes have the same curriculum whether they're at RM or Kennedy or BCC. They have a different cohort of students and different teachers.

And RMIB is also more rigorous. Tell yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel better.

DP here. PP said basically that.

The IB classes at all schools all use the same curriculum as prescribed by the IBO and students eventually take the same tests. But RM does have a different cohort of students, because it has been cherry-picking the top students from all of the other high schools without an IB program (and some with). Teachers adapt classes to meet the needs and interests of their students. When you have a larger number of extremely well prepared students (due to both magnet selection and MYP cohorting in 9th and 10th grades) courses can be taught at a quicker pace and to more depth. Where you see a difference between RM and other IB programs is higher overall IB test scores. The magnet selection process is also why RM (and other magnets) have more NMSF than other high schools. RM isn't "producing" them via classes, they are pulling the highest performers to the school.

The curriculum may be the same, but RMIB is definitely harder. Kids from other IB programs who go to RMIB have stated this. RMIB teachers who attend IB conferences have stated that they meet other IB teachers from all over the country who know about RMIB because of its rigor.

You don't have a kid in RMIB, that is very much clear.

In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program.

You shouldn't assume things. I have a recent graduate from the RMIB program and am very experienced with how the program runs. I didn't say RMIB wasn't harder. In fact, I was explaining the main factors for why it is harder (magnet pulling top students from all over the county and 9th/10th cohorting in classes geared towards IBDP prep.)

It's not harder because of the peer cohort. It's harder because the coursework is more rigorous than other IB programs.

How would just having a higher achieving peer cohort make it harder if the curriculum and coursework is exactly the same?

It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools.

Help me understand your reasoning. You say it is harder because of, to paraphrase, the students in the program. Why would that make it "harder"? And harder than what?

I'm the PP who said, "It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools." A different person said it was harder because of the students. I wouldn't be surprised if the students in the RMIB program were more competitive with each other, but I'm just speculating.

still don't see how that makes it harder. According to you, it's the exact same everything, even grading rubric and courseload, HW... Peer cohort being more competitive wouldn't change how difficult the assignment is, or the quantity.

It would make it even more stressful for the students.

maybe, but I don't think "harder" means stress from competitive peer cohorts.

1. RMIB DP students have to take TOK for 3 semesters; some other programs require just 1 semester. The IBO just states the student must take TOK and write a 1600 word essay. There is no set curriculum. It's just the IB framework the program must follow.
2. The coursework is not standardized. Teachers have lattitude to create their own materials. The IBO does not provide a set curriculum of handouts.

RMIB is a lot harder than other IBs. The coursework and tests are not the same.

DP students take Theory of Knowledge for 3 semesters at SVHS too.

Yes, the IB coursework isn't standardized. Why would it be harder at RM?

Re-read the bolded. The coursework at RMIB is harder. Teachers have higher expectations. There's more work, a lot more, compared to other IB programs. As I stated previously, a student from a different IB program came into RMIB, and they (and their parents) complained about the volume of work at RMIB compared to the previous program they came from.

You are basing this assessment, that IB at RM is harder than IB at other schools, on the experience of one student from an IB program at a private school?

DP

I’ll chime in and agree with the PP’s assessment. My neighbor is at RMIB and my kid is doing the IBDP at our home school. Definitely a different experience since we compare notes often. Different work load.

Also, look at the percentages of kids who score 4/5 on the AP tests. Or look at the percentage of kids who actually complete the IB diploma. RM has always had very high rates.

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that's interesting. Heard the opposite: that college is a cakewalk after magnet IB.

The IB diploma program is exactly the same whether you're doing it in a magnet IB school or a home-school IB school.

To get the IB diploma, yes, the criteria is the same.

However, RMIB magnet workload is a lot more and harder than other IB programs. It's pretty well known in the IB world that RMIB magnet is pretty intense. DC in RMIB told me that a new person joined IB magnet from a private school that had IB, and this person said that RMIB is a lot harder than what they experienced in their private school. Coursework is not the same for all IB program.

So, no, not all of the IB programs are the same, not that it makes a difference in getting the IB diploma. Even so, RMIB diploma rate is a lot higher than any of the IB programs in MCPS, if not nationally.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/contentassets/791d9e3ecf514dffa7e5f8b8cffd2a27/5451_23_rmhs-profile-insert.pdf?usp=sharing

The coursework for the IB diploma programme is the same everywhere. Same classes. Same requirements.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/

The PP that started compared college to "Magnet IB." That is a different thing than the IB diploma programme. In particular, two years of coursework v. four.

And just because there are the same classes, it does not mean the rigor is the same.

It's not just the same classes. It's the same work.

Honest question. Then how come other schools' IB programs don't produce as many NMSF as RM/IB?

DP. Same curriculum, different cohort.

Not exactly the same curriculum, otherwise, they wouldn't have ~1000 kids applying every year.

The IB classes have the same curriculum whether they're at RM or Kennedy or BCC. They have a different cohort of students and different teachers.

And RMIB is also more rigorous. Tell yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel better.

DP here. PP said basically that.

The IB classes at all schools all use the same curriculum as prescribed by the IBO and students eventually take the same tests. But RM does have a different cohort of students, because it has been cherry-picking the top students from all of the other high schools without an IB program (and some with). Teachers adapt classes to meet the needs and interests of their students. When you have a larger number of extremely well prepared students (due to both magnet selection and MYP cohorting in 9th and 10th grades) courses can be taught at a quicker pace and to more depth. Where you see a difference between RM and other IB programs is higher overall IB test scores. The magnet selection process is also why RM (and other magnets) have more NMSF than other high schools. RM isn't "producing" them via classes, they are pulling the highest performers to the school.

The curriculum may be the same, but RMIB is definitely harder. Kids from other IB programs who go to RMIB have stated this. RMIB teachers who attend IB conferences have stated that they meet other IB teachers from all over the country who know about RMIB because of its rigor.

You don't have a kid in RMIB, that is very much clear.

In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program.

You shouldn't assume things. I have a recent graduate from the RMIB program and am very experienced with how the program runs. I didn't say RMIB wasn't harder. In fact, I was explaining the main factors for why it is harder (magnet pulling top students from all over the county and 9th/10th cohorting in classes geared towards IBDP prep.)

It's not harder because of the peer cohort. It's harder because the coursework is more rigorous than other IB programs.

How would just having a higher achieving peer cohort make it harder if the curriculum and coursework is exactly the same?

It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools.

Help me understand your reasoning. You say it is harder because of, to paraphrase, the students in the program. Why would that make it "harder"? And harder than what?

I'm the PP who said, "It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools." A different person said it was harder because of the students. I wouldn't be surprised if the students in the RMIB program were more competitive with each other, but I'm just speculating.

still don't see how that makes it harder. According to you, it's the exact same everything, even grading rubric and courseload, HW... Peer cohort being more competitive wouldn't change how difficult the assignment is, or the quantity.

It would make it even more stressful for the students.

maybe, but I don't think "harder" means stress from competitive peer cohorts.

1. RMIB DP students have to take TOK for 3 semesters; some other programs require just 1 semester. The IBO just states the student must take TOK and write a 1600 word essay. There is no set curriculum. It's just the IB framework the program must follow.
2. The coursework is not standardized. Teachers have lattitude to create their own materials. The IBO does not provide a set curriculum of handouts.

RMIB is a lot harder than other IBs. The coursework and tests are not the same.

DP students take Theory of Knowledge for 3 semesters at SVHS too.

Yes, the IB coursework isn't standardized. Why would it be harder at RM?

Re-read the bolded. The coursework at RMIB is harder. Teachers have higher expectations. There's more work, a lot more, compared to other IB programs. As I stated previously, a student from a different IB program came into RMIB, and they (and their parents) complained about the volume of work at RMIB compared to the previous program they came from.

You are basing this assessment, that IB at RM is harder than IB at other schools, on the experience of one student from an IB program at a private school?

what are you basing your assessment on? Some words you read on a website?

I'm also basing it on what the RMIB teachers have stated.

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that's interesting. Heard the opposite: that college is a cakewalk after magnet IB.

The IB diploma program is exactly the same whether you're doing it in a magnet IB school or a home-school IB school.

To get the IB diploma, yes, the criteria is the same.

However, RMIB magnet workload is a lot more and harder than other IB programs. It's pretty well known in the IB world that RMIB magnet is pretty intense. DC in RMIB told me that a new person joined IB magnet from a private school that had IB, and this person said that RMIB is a lot harder than what they experienced in their private school. Coursework is not the same for all IB program.

So, no, not all of the IB programs are the same, not that it makes a difference in getting the IB diploma. Even so, RMIB diploma rate is a lot higher than any of the IB programs in MCPS, if not nationally.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/contentassets/791d9e3ecf514dffa7e5f8b8cffd2a27/5451_23_rmhs-profile-insert.pdf?usp=sharing

The coursework for the IB diploma programme is the same everywhere. Same classes. Same requirements.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/

The PP that started compared college to "Magnet IB." That is a different thing than the IB diploma programme. In particular, two years of coursework v. four.

And just because there are the same classes, it does not mean the rigor is the same.

It's not just the same classes. It's the same work.

Honest question. Then how come other schools' IB programs don't produce as many NMSF as RM/IB?

DP. Same curriculum, different cohort.

Not exactly the same curriculum, otherwise, they wouldn't have ~1000 kids applying every year.

The IB classes have the same curriculum whether they're at RM or Kennedy or BCC. They have a different cohort of students and different teachers.

And RMIB is also more rigorous. Tell yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel better.

DP here. PP said basically that.

The IB classes at all schools all use the same curriculum as prescribed by the IBO and students eventually take the same tests. But RM does have a different cohort of students, because it has been cherry-picking the top students from all of the other high schools without an IB program (and some with). Teachers adapt classes to meet the needs and interests of their students. When you have a larger number of extremely well prepared students (due to both magnet selection and MYP cohorting in 9th and 10th grades) courses can be taught at a quicker pace and to more depth. Where you see a difference between RM and other IB programs is higher overall IB test scores. The magnet selection process is also why RM (and other magnets) have more NMSF than other high schools. RM isn't "producing" them via classes, they are pulling the highest performers to the school.

The curriculum may be the same, but RMIB is definitely harder. Kids from other IB programs who go to RMIB have stated this. RMIB teachers who attend IB conferences have stated that they meet other IB teachers from all over the country who know about RMIB because of its rigor.

You don't have a kid in RMIB, that is very much clear.

In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program.

You shouldn't assume things. I have a recent graduate from the RMIB program and am very experienced with how the program runs. I didn't say RMIB wasn't harder. In fact, I was explaining the main factors for why it is harder (magnet pulling top students from all over the county and 9th/10th cohorting in classes geared towards IBDP prep.)

It's not harder because of the peer cohort. It's harder because the coursework is more rigorous than other IB programs.

How would just having a higher achieving peer cohort make it harder if the curriculum and coursework is exactly the same?

It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools.

Help me understand your reasoning. You say it is harder because of, to paraphrase, the students in the program. Why would that make it "harder"? And harder than what?

I'm the PP who said, "It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools." A different person said it was harder because of the students. I wouldn't be surprised if the students in the RMIB program were more competitive with each other, but I'm just speculating.

still don't see how that makes it harder. According to you, it's the exact same everything, even grading rubric and courseload, HW... Peer cohort being more competitive wouldn't change how difficult the assignment is, or the quantity.

It would make it even more stressful for the students.

maybe, but I don't think "harder" means stress from competitive peer cohorts.

1. RMIB DP students have to take TOK for 3 semesters; some other programs require just 1 semester. The IBO just states the student must take TOK and write a 1600 word essay. There is no set curriculum. It's just the IB framework the program must follow.
2. The coursework is not standardized. Teachers have lattitude to create their own materials. The IBO does not provide a set curriculum of handouts.

RMIB is a lot harder than other IBs. The coursework and tests are not the same.

DP students take Theory of Knowledge for 3 semesters at SVHS too.

Yes, the IB coursework isn't standardized. Why would it be harder at RM?

Re-read the bolded. The coursework at RMIB is harder. Teachers have higher expectations. There's more work, a lot more, compared to other IB programs. As I stated previously, a student from a different IB program came into RMIB, and they (and their parents) complained about the volume of work at RMIB compared to the previous program they came from.

You are basing this assessment, that IB at RM is harder than IB at other schools, on the experience of one student from an IB program at a private school?

DP

I’ll chime in and agree with the PP’s assessment. My neighbor is at RMIB and my kid is doing the IBDP at our home school. Definitely a different experience since we compare notes often. Different work load.

Also, look at the percentages of kids who score 4/5 on the AP tests. Or look at the percentage of kids who actually complete the IB diploma. RM has always had very high rates.

That doesn't mean the RM IB program is harder. It just means that the RM IB test-in magnet has a higher percent of students who do well on tests, which is what we would expect.

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that's interesting. Heard the opposite: that college is a cakewalk after magnet IB.

The IB diploma program is exactly the same whether you're doing it in a magnet IB school or a home-school IB school.

To get the IB diploma, yes, the criteria is the same.

However, RMIB magnet workload is a lot more and harder than other IB programs. It's pretty well known in the IB world that RMIB magnet is pretty intense. DC in RMIB told me that a new person joined IB magnet from a private school that had IB, and this person said that RMIB is a lot harder than what they experienced in their private school. Coursework is not the same for all IB program.

So, no, not all of the IB programs are the same, not that it makes a difference in getting the IB diploma. Even so, RMIB diploma rate is a lot higher than any of the IB programs in MCPS, if not nationally.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/contentassets/791d9e3ecf514dffa7e5f8b8cffd2a27/5451_23_rmhs-profile-insert.pdf?usp=sharing

The coursework for the IB diploma programme is the same everywhere. Same classes. Same requirements.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/

The PP that started compared college to "Magnet IB." That is a different thing than the IB diploma programme. In particular, two years of coursework v. four.

And just because there are the same classes, it does not mean the rigor is the same.

It's not just the same classes. It's the same work.

Honest question. Then how come other schools' IB programs don't produce as many NMSF as RM/IB?

DP. Same curriculum, different cohort.

Not exactly the same curriculum, otherwise, they wouldn't have ~1000 kids applying every year.

The IB classes have the same curriculum whether they're at RM or Kennedy or BCC. They have a different cohort of students and different teachers.

And RMIB is also more rigorous. Tell yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel better.

DP here. PP said basically that.

The IB classes at all schools all use the same curriculum as prescribed by the IBO and students eventually take the same tests. But RM does have a different cohort of students, because it has been cherry-picking the top students from all of the other high schools without an IB program (and some with). Teachers adapt classes to meet the needs and interests of their students. When you have a larger number of extremely well prepared students (due to both magnet selection and MYP cohorting in 9th and 10th grades) courses can be taught at a quicker pace and to more depth. Where you see a difference between RM and other IB programs is higher overall IB test scores. The magnet selection process is also why RM (and other magnets) have more NMSF than other high schools. RM isn't "producing" them via classes, they are pulling the highest performers to the school.

The curriculum may be the same, but RMIB is definitely harder. Kids from other IB programs who go to RMIB have stated this. RMIB teachers who attend IB conferences have stated that they meet other IB teachers from all over the country who know about RMIB because of its rigor.

You don't have a kid in RMIB, that is very much clear.

In any case, back to OP's question: RM for non IB high performing kids is fine. DC in RMIB had in bound friends who dropped out after 10th grade because they wanted to focus on their athletics and other e.c's. But, these kids are smart, obviously, since they did get into the IB magnet in 9th grade. They may not be in the IB diploma program any longer, but they can still take the IB classes, and of course, AP classes, too, of which there are many. There are definitely many high performing students at RM who are not in the IB diploma program.

You shouldn't assume things. I have a recent graduate from the RMIB program and am very experienced with how the program runs. I didn't say RMIB wasn't harder. In fact, I was explaining the main factors for why it is harder (magnet pulling top students from all over the county and 9th/10th cohorting in classes geared towards IBDP prep.)

It's not harder because of the peer cohort. It's harder because the coursework is more rigorous than other IB programs.

How would just having a higher achieving peer cohort make it harder if the curriculum and coursework is exactly the same?

It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools.

Help me understand your reasoning. You say it is harder because of, to paraphrase, the students in the program. Why would that make it "harder"? And harder than what?

I'm the PP who said, "It's exactly the same courses, with exactly the same requirements, as the IB programs in the other high schools." A different person said it was harder because of the students. I wouldn't be surprised if the students in the RMIB program were more competitive with each other, but I'm just speculating.

still don't see how that makes it harder. According to you, it's the exact same everything, even grading rubric and courseload, HW... Peer cohort being more competitive wouldn't change how difficult the assignment is, or the quantity.

It would make it even more stressful for the students.

maybe, but I don't think "harder" means stress from competitive peer cohorts.

1. RMIB DP students have to take TOK for 3 semesters; some other programs require just 1 semester. The IBO just states the student must take TOK and write a 1600 word essay. There is no set curriculum. It's just the IB framework the program must follow.
2. The coursework is not standardized. Teachers have lattitude to create their own materials. The IBO does not provide a set curriculum of handouts.

RMIB is a lot harder than other IBs. The coursework and tests are not the same.

DP students take Theory of Knowledge for 3 semesters at SVHS too.

Yes, the IB coursework isn't standardized. Why would it be harder at RM?

Re-read the bolded. The coursework at RMIB is harder. Teachers have higher expectations. There's more work, a lot more, compared to other IB programs. As I stated previously, a student from a different IB program came into RMIB, and they (and their parents) complained about the volume of work at RMIB compared to the previous program they came from.

You are basing this assessment, that IB at RM is harder than IB at other schools, on the experience of one student from an IB program at a private school?

what are you basing your assessment on? Some words you read on a website?

I'm also basing it on what the RMIB teachers have stated.

I'm basing it on what my kid is doing in our home-school IB program vs what my kid's friends in the RMIB program are doing.