Man killed woman as ‘Satanic sacrifice,’ court documents say

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Anonymous wrote:Dude was hearing voices, which would indicate a serious mental health issue.


This. Mental illness often has a religious component. As many think they are Jesus, God, Virgin as thinks they are communicating with Satan.


What percentage of mental illness has a religious component?


What percentage of religion has a mental illness component? Hearing voices, hallucinations, pedophilia, etc.


No one will answer that, indeed, multiple studies show religious people have better mental health vs non- religious people.


The opposite is true of schizophrenia- there is a strong association between religion and people with schizophrenia


You’re going to have to cite that one.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:The Satanic Rituals is a book by Anton Szandor LaVey published in 1972 by Avon Books as a companion volume to The Satanic Bible. The book outlines nine rituals and ceremonies.

The book includes the child baptism ritual LaVey used for his youngest daughter Zeena at the first publicly recorded Church of Satan baptism.

Satanist Anton LaVey Baptising Daughter

Original caption:"Satanic" Baptism. San Francisco: Anton Szandor LaVey, who calls himself a sorcerer and the high priest of the First Church of Satan, taps his gum-chewing 3-year-old daughter, Zeena Galatea LaVey, on the head with a sword during "baptism ceremonies" in San Francisco, May 23. A naked woman reclines on the altar during the anti-religious ceremony. LaVey, who claims to have 250 followers in San Francisco and 5,000 throughout the world, said the mystic ceremony was the first such baptism in history.
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Satanic Rituals, as outlined by LaVey:

Le Messe Noire (Black Mass)

All three of these newly created Black Masses (the one by Coven and the two by the Church of Satan) contain the Latin phrase "In nomine Dei nostri Satanas Luciferi Excelsi" [27] (In the name of our God, Satan Lucifer of the Most High), as well as the phrases "Rege Satanas" and "Ave Satanas" (which, incidentally, are also the only three Latin phrases which appeared in the Church of Satan's 1968 recording, "The Satanic Mass"). Additionally, all three modify other Latin parts of the Roman Catholic Missal to make them into Satanic versions. The Church of Satan's two Black Masses also use the French text of the Black Mass in Huysmans' Là-Bas to a great extent. (West only uses the English translation, LaVey publishes also the original French). Thus, the Black Mass found in The Satanic Rituals is a combination of English, French, and Latin. Further, in keeping with the traditional description of the Black Mass, all three also require a consecrated Host taken from a Catholic church, as a central part of the ceremony.

The Ceremony of the Stifling Air
Die elektrischen Vorspiele
Homage to Tchort
The Statement of Shaitan and Wordless Rite of Dedication
The Ceremony of the Nine Angles
The Call to Cthulhu
The Baptisms: Adult Rite and Children's Ceremony

If Satanists don’t believe in a deity, why do they have ordained priests?

Also, please let an actual Satanist answer this. I want an answer from someone who identifies as a Satanist; not an opinion from a non-Satanist.


It’s 2022 and that is clearly a satire photo.


Date Photographed: May 23, 1967
Model Released: No Release
Property Released: No Release
Location: San Francisco, California, USA
Credit: © Bettmann/CORBIS
License Type: Rights Managed (RM)
Category: Historical
Collection: Bettmann

here’s the information about this specific photo. Do you have a link that documents from a reputable source this is satire? Are you a Satanist?


are you really this naive or just itchy for all possible conspiracies?


I posted the video of the actual baptism. Why are you pretending it’s not real?
Anonymous
Here you go toots.

https://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fundamental-F.A.Q. Fundamental Beliefs
Why do Satanists worship The Devil?

We don’t. Satanists are atheists. We see the universe as being indifferent to us, and so all morals and values are subjective human constructions.

Our position is to be self-centered, with ourselves being the most important person (the “God”) of our subjective universe, so we are sometimes said to worship ourselves. Our current High Priest Gilmore calls this the step moving from being an atheist to being an “I-Theist.”

Satan to us is a symbol of pride, liberty and individualism, and it serves as an external metaphorical projection of our highest personal potential. We do not believe in Satan as a being or person.

Do Satanists perform sacrifices?

No. We are atheists. The only people who perform sacrifices are those who believe in supernatural beings who would consider a sacrifice to be some form of payment for a request or form of worship. Since we do not believe in supernatural beings there is no reason for a Satanist to make a sacrifice of any sort.

I heard that Satanism supports sex with children and other ways to harm them—how do you justify that?

Satanism has strong rules prohibiting sexual activity with children and non-human animals. In fact, if a Church of Satan member abuses children sexually or otherwise, his membership is automatically terminated without possibility for re-instatement. The Church of Satan also does not accept anyone who is not legally adult as an Active Member. In Satanism, sexual activity is only advocated between consenting adults.

Do Satanists ritually abuse people?

No. Our ritual is basically a form of self-therapy and is most often done in private. The three basic rituals are presented in The Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey and these do not demonstrate any type of abusive behavior.

What is “Theistic Satanism”?

There is no such thing. People who believe in some Devilish supernatural being and worship him are Devil-worshippers, not Satanists. Anton LaVey was the first to define Satanism as a philosophy, and it is an atheist perspective. “Theistic Satanism” is an oxymoronic term and thus absurd. In Satanism each individual is his or her own god—there is no room for any other god and that includes Satan, Lucifer, Cthulhu or whatever other name one might select or take from history or fiction.

Isn’t LaVey’s Satanism just plagiarized from other sources?

When LaVey refers to an idea, concept, or quote derived or taken from someone else, he often cites the author, either in the paragraph or in the indexes of his books. If anything LaVey wrote seems similar to past concepts, oftentimes, he augmented it with modern circumstances as well as his own thoughts. Seeing that Satanism is a work in progress, an attempt for melding science with philosophy, we are fully justified in choosing the concepts of old, working with them in our context and taking them into the future. (If we didn’t, who else would?) This is the same process used by scientists, doctors, psychologists, and many other professionals. Nothing would get done if individuals merely went along with established thought and never added to it. It’s evolution, pure and simple.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Video: Anton LaVey Performs Satanic Baptism For His Daughter

KPIX -TV news footage from May 23rd 1967 featuring brief views of author and occultist Anton LaVey performing a satanic baptism for his daughter Zeena Galatea LaVey (now Zeena Shreck), aged 3 years old at the time. This has been cited as the first satanic baptism in history. Opening graphic designed by Carrie Hawks.

https://diva.sfsu.edu/collections/sfbatv/bundles/238406

Here is the link to Levay baptizing his 3 year old daughter into the Satanic Church.



Oh dear. You really have no discernment whatsoever.



upload image for url


This is who has the archived footage of Levay baptizing his 3 year old into the Satanic church.

Are you a Satanist? Why are you denying an actual video of this event?

Also: so many Satanists on dcum.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dude was hearing voices, which would indicate a serious mental health issue.


This. Mental illness often has a religious component. As many think they are Jesus, God, Virgin as thinks they are communicating with Satan.


What percentage of mental illness has a religious component?


What percentage of religion has a mental illness component? Hearing voices, hallucinations, pedophilia, etc.


No one will answer that, indeed, multiple studies show religious people have better mental health vs non- religious people.


The opposite is true of schizophrenia- there is a strong association between religion and people with schizophrenia


You’re going to have to cite that one.


"How common are religious delusions in schizophrenia?

Various studies have found that the prevalence of religious delusions in schizophrenia is very high. Torrey in the US, for instance, has suggested that around half of sufferers there experience religious delusions.1 Other studies in other parts of the world have found differently. Mohr and Huguelet in Switzerland found the prevalence to be around 21% (this was probably representative of the overall prevalence in Western Europe)4 and Rudaleviciene and his colleagues in Lithuania found it to be as high as 64% there.5

Whatever the figures may be for an individual country it is clearly a trait that is very common in schizophrenia and psychiatrists encounter it so frequently that they have come up with a name for it: religiosity or religious preoccupation. Religiosity is definitely not new. The early psychiatrists in the 19th century observed the phenomenon although it was not thought to be quite as common then as now.6"

https://livingwithschizophreniauk.org/religious-spiritual-delusions-schizophrenia/

the footnotes all link to studies
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Here you go toots.

https://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fundamental-F.A.Q. Fundamental Beliefs
Why do Satanists worship The Devil?

We don’t. Satanists are atheists. We see the universe as being indifferent to us, and so all morals and values are subjective human constructions.

Our position is to be self-centered, with ourselves being the most important person (the “God”) of our subjective universe, so we are sometimes said to worship ourselves. Our current High Priest Gilmore calls this the step moving from being an atheist to being an “I-Theist.”

Satan to us is a symbol of pride, liberty and individualism, and it serves as an external metaphorical projection of our highest personal potential. We do not believe in Satan as a being or person.

Do Satanists perform sacrifices?

No. We are atheists. The only people who perform sacrifices are those who believe in supernatural beings who would consider a sacrifice to be some form of payment for a request or form of worship. Since we do not believe in supernatural beings there is no reason for a Satanist to make a sacrifice of any sort.

I heard that Satanism supports sex with children and other ways to harm them—how do you justify that?

Satanism has strong rules prohibiting sexual activity with children and non-human animals. In fact, if a Church of Satan member abuses children sexually or otherwise, his membership is automatically terminated without possibility for re-instatement. The Church of Satan also does not accept anyone who is not legally adult as an Active Member. In Satanism, sexual activity is only advocated between consenting adults.

Do Satanists ritually abuse people?

No. Our ritual is basically a form of self-therapy and is most often done in private. The three basic rituals are presented in The Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey and these do not demonstrate any type of abusive behavior.

What is “Theistic Satanism”?

There is no such thing. People who believe in some Devilish supernatural being and worship him are Devil-worshippers, not Satanists. Anton LaVey was the first to define Satanism as a philosophy, and it is an atheist perspective. “Theistic Satanism” is an oxymoronic term and thus absurd. In Satanism each individual is his or her own god—there is no room for any other god and that includes Satan, Lucifer, Cthulhu or whatever other name one might select or take from history or fiction.

Isn’t LaVey’s Satanism just plagiarized from other sources?

When LaVey refers to an idea, concept, or quote derived or taken from someone else, he often cites the author, either in the paragraph or in the indexes of his books. If anything LaVey wrote seems similar to past concepts, oftentimes, he augmented it with modern circumstances as well as his own thoughts. Seeing that Satanism is a work in progress, an attempt for melding science with philosophy, we are fully justified in choosing the concepts of old, working with them in our context and taking them into the future. (If we didn’t, who else would?) This is the same process used by scientists, doctors, psychologists, and many other professionals. Nothing would get done if individuals merely went along with established thought and never added to it. It’s evolution, pure and simple.



Do you have a link that the man who killed the woman is a member of the church of Satan?

So 3 atheists killed a woman? And dismembered her?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Video: Anton LaVey Performs Satanic Baptism For His Daughter

KPIX -TV news footage from May 23rd 1967 featuring brief views of author and occultist Anton LaVey performing a satanic baptism for his daughter Zeena Galatea LaVey (now Zeena Shreck), aged 3 years old at the time. This has been cited as the first satanic baptism in history. Opening graphic designed by Carrie Hawks.

https://diva.sfsu.edu/collections/sfbatv/bundles/238406

Here is the link to Levay baptizing his 3 year old daughter into the Satanic Church.



Oh dear. You really have no discernment whatsoever.



upload image for url


This is who has the archived footage of Levay baptizing his 3 year old into the Satanic church.

Are you a Satanist? Why are you denying an actual video of this event?

Also: so many Satanists on dcum.


I mean we can also ask cat in the hats to reply…
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Video: Anton LaVey Performs Satanic Baptism For His Daughter

KPIX -TV news footage from May 23rd 1967 featuring brief views of author and occultist Anton LaVey performing a satanic baptism for his daughter Zeena Galatea LaVey (now Zeena Shreck), aged 3 years old at the time. This has been cited as the first satanic baptism in history. Opening graphic designed by Carrie Hawks.

https://diva.sfsu.edu/collections/sfbatv/bundles/238406

Here is the link to Levay baptizing his 3 year old daughter into the Satanic Church.



Oh dear. You really have no discernment whatsoever.



upload image for url


This is who has the archived footage of Levay baptizing his 3 year old into the Satanic church.

Are you a Satanist? Why are you denying an actual video of this event?

Also: so many Satanists on dcum.


I mean we can also ask cat in the hats to reply…


Pardon me, Cats in Hats.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here you go toots.

https://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fundamental-F.A.Q. Fundamental Beliefs
Why do Satanists worship The Devil?

We don’t. Satanists are atheists. We see the universe as being indifferent to us, and so all morals and values are subjective human constructions.

Our position is to be self-centered, with ourselves being the most important person (the “God”) of our subjective universe, so we are sometimes said to worship ourselves. Our current High Priest Gilmore calls this the step moving from being an atheist to being an “I-Theist.”

Satan to us is a symbol of pride, liberty and individualism, and it serves as an external metaphorical projection of our highest personal potential. We do not believe in Satan as a being or person.

Do Satanists perform sacrifices?

No. We are atheists. The only people who perform sacrifices are those who believe in supernatural beings who would consider a sacrifice to be some form of payment for a request or form of worship. Since we do not believe in supernatural beings there is no reason for a Satanist to make a sacrifice of any sort.

I heard that Satanism supports sex with children and other ways to harm them—how do you justify that?

Satanism has strong rules prohibiting sexual activity with children and non-human animals. In fact, if a Church of Satan member abuses children sexually or otherwise, his membership is automatically terminated without possibility for re-instatement. The Church of Satan also does not accept anyone who is not legally adult as an Active Member. In Satanism, sexual activity is only advocated between consenting adults.

Do Satanists ritually abuse people?

No. Our ritual is basically a form of self-therapy and is most often done in private. The three basic rituals are presented in The Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey and these do not demonstrate any type of abusive behavior.

What is “Theistic Satanism”?

There is no such thing. People who believe in some Devilish supernatural being and worship him are Devil-worshippers, not Satanists. Anton LaVey was the first to define Satanism as a philosophy, and it is an atheist perspective. “Theistic Satanism” is an oxymoronic term and thus absurd. In Satanism each individual is his or her own god—there is no room for any other god and that includes Satan, Lucifer, Cthulhu or whatever other name one might select or take from history or fiction.

Isn’t LaVey’s Satanism just plagiarized from other sources?

When LaVey refers to an idea, concept, or quote derived or taken from someone else, he often cites the author, either in the paragraph or in the indexes of his books. If anything LaVey wrote seems similar to past concepts, oftentimes, he augmented it with modern circumstances as well as his own thoughts. Seeing that Satanism is a work in progress, an attempt for melding science with philosophy, we are fully justified in choosing the concepts of old, working with them in our context and taking them into the future. (If we didn’t, who else would?) This is the same process used by scientists, doctors, psychologists, and many other professionals. Nothing would get done if individuals merely went along with established thought and never added to it. It’s evolution, pure and simple.



Do you have a link that the man who killed the woman is a member of the church of Satan?

So 3 atheists killed a woman? And dismembered her?


Three mentally unstable individuals killed this person and explained their actions based on delusions.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here you go toots.

https://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fundamental-F.A.Q. Fundamental Beliefs
Why do Satanists worship The Devil?

We don’t. Satanists are atheists. We see the universe as being indifferent to us, and so all morals and values are subjective human constructions.

Our position is to be self-centered, with ourselves being the most important person (the “God”) of our subjective universe, so we are sometimes said to worship ourselves. Our current High Priest Gilmore calls this the step moving from being an atheist to being an “I-Theist.”

Satan to us is a symbol of pride, liberty and individualism, and it serves as an external metaphorical projection of our highest personal potential. We do not believe in Satan as a being or person.

Do Satanists perform sacrifices?

No. We are atheists. The only people who perform sacrifices are those who believe in supernatural beings who would consider a sacrifice to be some form of payment for a request or form of worship. Since we do not believe in supernatural beings there is no reason for a Satanist to make a sacrifice of any sort.

I heard that Satanism supports sex with children and other ways to harm them—how do you justify that?

Satanism has strong rules prohibiting sexual activity with children and non-human animals. In fact, if a Church of Satan member abuses children sexually or otherwise, his membership is automatically terminated without possibility for re-instatement. The Church of Satan also does not accept anyone who is not legally adult as an Active Member. In Satanism, sexual activity is only advocated between consenting adults.

Do Satanists ritually abuse people?

No. Our ritual is basically a form of self-therapy and is most often done in private. The three basic rituals are presented in The Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey and these do not demonstrate any type of abusive behavior.

What is “Theistic Satanism”?

There is no such thing. People who believe in some Devilish supernatural being and worship him are Devil-worshippers, not Satanists. Anton LaVey was the first to define Satanism as a philosophy, and it is an atheist perspective. “Theistic Satanism” is an oxymoronic term and thus absurd. In Satanism each individual is his or her own god—there is no room for any other god and that includes Satan, Lucifer, Cthulhu or whatever other name one might select or take from history or fiction.

Isn’t LaVey’s Satanism just plagiarized from other sources?

When LaVey refers to an idea, concept, or quote derived or taken from someone else, he often cites the author, either in the paragraph or in the indexes of his books. If anything LaVey wrote seems similar to past concepts, oftentimes, he augmented it with modern circumstances as well as his own thoughts. Seeing that Satanism is a work in progress, an attempt for melding science with philosophy, we are fully justified in choosing the concepts of old, working with them in our context and taking them into the future. (If we didn’t, who else would?) This is the same process used by scientists, doctors, psychologists, and many other professionals. Nothing would get done if individuals merely went along with established thought and never added to it. It’s evolution, pure and simple.



Do you have a link that the man who killed the woman is a member of the church of Satan?

So 3 atheists killed a woman? And dismembered her?


Three mentally unstable individuals killed this person and explained their actions based on delusions.


Did they see anyone rise from the dead? That kind of delusion?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dude was hearing voices, which would indicate a serious mental health issue.


This. Mental illness often has a religious component. As many think they are Jesus, God, Virgin as thinks they are communicating with Satan.


What percentage of mental illness has a religious component?


What percentage of religion has a mental illness component? Hearing voices, hallucinations, pedophilia, etc.


No one will answer that, indeed, multiple studies show religious people have better mental health vs non- religious people.


The opposite is true of schizophrenia- there is a strong association between religion and people with schizophrenia


You’re going to have to cite that one.


"How common are religious delusions in schizophrenia?

Various studies have found that the prevalence of religious delusions in schizophrenia is very high. Torrey in the US, for instance, has suggested that around half of sufferers there experience religious delusions.1 Other studies in other parts of the world have found differently. Mohr and Huguelet in Switzerland found the prevalence to be around 21% (this was probably representative of the overall prevalence in Western Europe)4 and Rudaleviciene and his colleagues in Lithuania found it to be as high as 64% there.5

Whatever the figures may be for an individual country it is clearly a trait that is very common in schizophrenia and psychiatrists encounter it so frequently that they have come up with a name for it: religiosity or religious preoccupation. Religiosity is definitely not new. The early psychiatrists in the 19th century observed the phenomenon although it was not thought to be quite as common then as now.6"

https://livingwithschizophreniauk.org/religious-spiritual-delusions-schizophrenia/

the footnotes all link to studies


from your link:

“However, for other people religion and spirituality play an important role in their recovery process. They may find that their spiritual beliefs and practices help them to make sense of the world in a way that they could not when they were suffering from psychotic delusions and that membership of a supportive faith community provides vital fellowship when faced by the everyday problems of living with a serious mental health condition.“

“As we have seen above holding extreme religious views does not of itself indicate mental illness however doctors should look for any signs of anomalous religious behaviours or beliefs that appear to have started without any prompting and may occur in conjunction with other symptoms such as paranoia or hallucinations.”

“It is also important to realise that all of the person’s previous ideas, beliefs and experiences form the framework for their psychotic thinking and because religion still plays an important part in our society it is not surprising that there will be a religious component within psychotic beliefs.“

“We also see cultural background reflected in the nature of the religious delusions themselves. For instance in predominantly Catholic countries the delusions will reflect Catholic belief whereas in predominately Hindu countries they will reflect Hindu ones.”

“This Information Sheet deals specifically with the phenomenon of religious delusions in schizophrenia: a phenomenon that can cause people with schizophrenia enormous suffering. But if religious delusions are a bad thing generally for people suffering with schizophrenia what about religion in general? Is it good or bad for people living with schizophrenia? In fact there is now a considerable weight of evidence that points to religious and spiritual belief as being a broadly protective and positive factor for people living with schizophrenia and we deal with that subject in our Information Sheet.“

Say it again, louder, for the people in the back:

“But if religious delusions are a bad thing generally for people suffering with schizophrenia what about religion in general? Is it good or bad for people living with schizophrenia? In fact there is now a considerable weight of evidence that points to religious and spiritual belief as being a broadly protective and positive factor for people living with schizophrenia and we deal with that subject in our Information Sheet.“

Are you in the Uk? Is that why you are posting information from the NHS?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Video: Anton LaVey Performs Satanic Baptism For His Daughter

KPIX -TV news footage from May 23rd 1967 featuring brief views of author and occultist Anton LaVey performing a satanic baptism for his daughter Zeena Galatea LaVey (now Zeena Shreck), aged 3 years old at the time. This has been cited as the first satanic baptism in history. Opening graphic designed by Carrie Hawks.

https://diva.sfsu.edu/collections/sfbatv/bundles/238406

Here is the link to Levay baptizing his 3 year old daughter into the Satanic Church.



Wait. Are you against freedom of religion?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here you go toots.

https://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fundamental-F.A.Q. Fundamental Beliefs
Why do Satanists worship The Devil?

We don’t. Satanists are atheists. We see the universe as being indifferent to us, and so all morals and values are subjective human constructions.

Our position is to be self-centered, with ourselves being the most important person (the “God”) of our subjective universe, so we are sometimes said to worship ourselves. Our current High Priest Gilmore calls this the step moving from being an atheist to being an “I-Theist.”

Satan to us is a symbol of pride, liberty and individualism, and it serves as an external metaphorical projection of our highest personal potential. We do not believe in Satan as a being or person.

Do Satanists perform sacrifices?

No. We are atheists. The only people who perform sacrifices are those who believe in supernatural beings who would consider a sacrifice to be some form of payment for a request or form of worship. Since we do not believe in supernatural beings there is no reason for a Satanist to make a sacrifice of any sort.

I heard that Satanism supports sex with children and other ways to harm them—how do you justify that?

Satanism has strong rules prohibiting sexual activity with children and non-human animals. In fact, if a Church of Satan member abuses children sexually or otherwise, his membership is automatically terminated without possibility for re-instatement. The Church of Satan also does not accept anyone who is not legally adult as an Active Member. In Satanism, sexual activity is only advocated between consenting adults.

Do Satanists ritually abuse people?

No. Our ritual is basically a form of self-therapy and is most often done in private. The three basic rituals are presented in The Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey and these do not demonstrate any type of abusive behavior.

What is “Theistic Satanism”?

There is no such thing. People who believe in some Devilish supernatural being and worship him are Devil-worshippers, not Satanists. Anton LaVey was the first to define Satanism as a philosophy, and it is an atheist perspective. “Theistic Satanism” is an oxymoronic term and thus absurd. In Satanism each individual is his or her own god—there is no room for any other god and that includes Satan, Lucifer, Cthulhu or whatever other name one might select or take from history or fiction.

Isn’t LaVey’s Satanism just plagiarized from other sources?

When LaVey refers to an idea, concept, or quote derived or taken from someone else, he often cites the author, either in the paragraph or in the indexes of his books. If anything LaVey wrote seems similar to past concepts, oftentimes, he augmented it with modern circumstances as well as his own thoughts. Seeing that Satanism is a work in progress, an attempt for melding science with philosophy, we are fully justified in choosing the concepts of old, working with them in our context and taking them into the future. (If we didn’t, who else would?) This is the same process used by scientists, doctors, psychologists, and many other professionals. Nothing would get done if individuals merely went along with established thought and never added to it. It’s evolution, pure and simple.



Do you have a link that the man who killed the woman is a member of the church of Satan?

So 3 atheists killed a woman? And dismembered her?


Three mentally unstable individuals killed this person and explained their actions based on delusions.


These people are in jail, not a mental institution. No one has posted any evidence all 3 of them are delusional, hearing voices, have hallucinations, have schizophrenia, etc.

Link to verified source to confirm rumors posted here these 3 people are schizophrenic.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Video: Anton LaVey Performs Satanic Baptism For His Daughter

KPIX -TV news footage from May 23rd 1967 featuring brief views of author and occultist Anton LaVey performing a satanic baptism for his daughter Zeena Galatea LaVey (now Zeena Shreck), aged 3 years old at the time. This has been cited as the first satanic baptism in history. Opening graphic designed by Carrie Hawks.

https://diva.sfsu.edu/collections/sfbatv/bundles/238406

Here is the link to Levay baptizing his 3 year old daughter into the Satanic Church.



Wait. Are you against freedom of religion?



No? But if Satanists are really atheists- does that mean atheists are religious?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dude was hearing voices, which would indicate a serious mental health issue.


This. Mental illness often has a religious component. As many think they are Jesus, God, Virgin as thinks they are communicating with Satan.


What percentage of mental illness has a religious component?


What percentage of religion has a mental illness component? Hearing voices, hallucinations, pedophilia, etc.


No one will answer that, indeed, multiple studies show religious people have better mental health vs non- religious people.


The opposite is true of schizophrenia- there is a strong association between religion and people with schizophrenia


You’re going to have to cite that one.


"How common are religious delusions in schizophrenia?

Various studies have found that the prevalence of religious delusions in schizophrenia is very high. Torrey in the US, for instance, has suggested that around half of sufferers there experience religious delusions.1 Other studies in other parts of the world have found differently. Mohr and Huguelet in Switzerland found the prevalence to be around 21% (this was probably representative of the overall prevalence in Western Europe)4 and Rudaleviciene and his colleagues in Lithuania found it to be as high as 64% there.5

Whatever the figures may be for an individual country it is clearly a trait that is very common in schizophrenia and psychiatrists encounter it so frequently that they have come up with a name for it: religiosity or religious preoccupation. Religiosity is definitely not new. The early psychiatrists in the 19th century observed the phenomenon although it was not thought to be quite as common then as now.6"

https://livingwithschizophreniauk.org/religious-spiritual-delusions-schizophrenia/

the footnotes all link to studies


from your link:

“However, for other people religion and spirituality play an important role in their recovery process. They may find that their spiritual beliefs and practices help them to make sense of the world in a way that they could not when they were suffering from psychotic delusions and that membership of a supportive faith community provides vital fellowship when faced by the everyday problems of living with a serious mental health condition.“

“As we have seen above holding extreme religious views does not of itself indicate mental illness however doctors should look for any signs of anomalous religious behaviours or beliefs that appear to have started without any prompting and may occur in conjunction with other symptoms such as paranoia or hallucinations.”

“It is also important to realise that all of the person’s previous ideas, beliefs and experiences form the framework for their psychotic thinking and because religion still plays an important part in our society it is not surprising that there will be a religious component within psychotic beliefs.“

“We also see cultural background reflected in the nature of the religious delusions themselves. For instance in predominantly Catholic countries the delusions will reflect Catholic belief whereas in predominately Hindu countries they will reflect Hindu ones.”

“This Information Sheet deals specifically with the phenomenon of religious delusions in schizophrenia: a phenomenon that can cause people with schizophrenia enormous suffering. But if religious delusions are a bad thing generally for people suffering with schizophrenia what about religion in general? Is it good or bad for people living with schizophrenia? In fact there is now a considerable weight of evidence that points to religious and spiritual belief as being a broadly protective and positive factor for people living with schizophrenia and we deal with that subject in our Information Sheet.“

Say it again, louder, for the people in the back:

“But if religious delusions are a bad thing generally for people suffering with schizophrenia what about religion in general? Is it good or bad for people living with schizophrenia? In fact there is now a considerable weight of evidence that points to religious and spiritual belief as being a broadly protective and positive factor for people living with schizophrenia and we deal with that subject in our Information Sheet.“

Are you in the Uk? Is that why you are posting information from the NHS?


No one is saying having faith is a sign of mental illness. Read it all again not looking for an argument, later if you need to switch out of debate mode.
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