DHS collaborating with FB and Twitter to censor information

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the definition of fascism, a term that gets misused often on here. Government working hand in glove with large corporations to stifle dissent is the text book definition of fascism.

You've got the definition right but the application wrong. "Dissent" is a keyword here. Disinformation and fake news including foreign fake news is not dissent or honest discourse.

Any tool can be abused. Some tools should not exist due to their potential for abuse. Would you want the Trump administration to be able to censor "disinformation?"

This story is about them doing it...

Stop being daft. The stories they were trying to stop from coming out, specifically the lab leak theory and other takes on Covid that have now been proven to be either correct or have merit (like vaccines not stopping transmission), was not an agenda being pushed by Trump. You are either are against fascism - that is, the collusion between government and big corporations to stifle opposition and free speech - or you are for it. Seems like they’re a lot of fascists in this thread that like to larp as anti fascist because they don’t like Trump.

The vaccines developed while the Wuhan strain was raging across the world were highly effective in stopping the transmission of the Wuhan strain.

However, COVID quickly mutated making the vaccines far less effective. It's nuanced. You can't just write "The vaccine is effective" and shut down anyone challenging that statement.

Compare our response to countries that used non-mRNA vaccines.

You really want to be right. But you're not being objective.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the definition of fascism, a term that gets misused often on here. Government working hand in glove with large corporations to stifle dissent is the text book definition of fascism.

You've got the definition right but the application wrong. "Dissent" is a keyword here. Disinformation and fake news including foreign fake news is not dissent or honest discourse.

Any tool can be abused. Some tools should not exist due to their potential for abuse. Would you want the Trump administration to be able to censor "disinformation?"

This story is about them doing it...

Stop being daft. The stories they were trying to stop from coming out, specifically the lab leak theory and other takes on Covid that have now been proven to be either correct or have merit (like vaccines not stopping transmission), was not an agenda being pushed by Trump. You are either are against fascism - that is, the collusion between government and big corporations to stifle opposition and free speech - or you are for it. Seems like they’re a lot of fascists in this thread that like to larp as anti fascist because they don’t like Trump.

Public health is an entirely different kettle of fish. The power of authority to handle public health emergencies has been well-accepted for more centuries than the US has been a country, and unchallenged until now. And the weakening of this authority is something that our children will suffer for in the future.

The collusion between government and the pharmaceutical industry is also a text book definition of fascism, yet for some reason “Democrats” who used to be skeptical of big corporations and corporate influence in DC had no trouble with government telling Facebook and Twitter to shut down anyone who questioned the efficacy of vaccines that were being fast tracked by billion dollar corporations in an industry that had a history of shady dealings in the past (the opioid crisis for example).

People who had the audacity to question these big corporations, who had extraordinary financial leverage over politicians and a revolving door between them and the NIH, were silenced on social media under direction of the government. If that isn’t fascism, you don’t know what fascism means.

Well said. Add to this, people lost their jobs in medicine and public service for refusing the vaccine. It clearly was a violation of their rights, as one of the most liberal states in the nation reversed that policy and is awarding back pay on top of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy stuff. I read here all the time that Twitter and FB are private companies, so free speech doesn't apply when they censor information.
When the government tells them what to suppress or censor, it is a matter of free speech.

This took place in 2020. Who was president then?

So what I'm understanding here is that the Trump DHS pressured Twitter to censor information that the Trump DHS didn't like. That does seem like a problem for republicans.

It is a problem for all citizens when their government can coordinate with large corporations to stifle speech they dislike, regardless of which party happens to be in power at the time.

Interestingly enough, among the information that was censored was … Donald Trump himself. The twisting and turning to justify this kind of relationship between government and social media/tech/large corporation speaks of the evil involved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the definition of fascism, a term that gets misused often on here. Government working hand in glove with large corporations to stifle dissent is the text book definition of fascism.

You've got the definition right but the application wrong. "Dissent" is a keyword here. Disinformation and fake news including foreign fake news is not dissent or honest discourse.

Any tool can be abused. Some tools should not exist due to their potential for abuse. Would you want the Trump administration to be able to censor "disinformation?"

This story is about them doing it...

Stop being daft. The stories they were trying to stop from coming out, specifically the lab leak theory and other takes on Covid that have now been proven to be either correct or have merit (like vaccines not stopping transmission), was not an agenda being pushed by Trump. You are either are against fascism - that is, the collusion between government and big corporations to stifle opposition and free speech - or you are for it. Seems like they’re a lot of fascists in this thread that like to larp as anti fascist because they don’t like Trump.

Public health is an entirely different kettle of fish. The power of authority to handle public health emergencies has been well-accepted for more centuries than the US has been a country, and unchallenged until now. And the weakening of this authority is something that our children will suffer for in the future.

So did members of our military - at a time when recruiting new members is challenging. Ridiculous.

The collusion between government and the pharmaceutical industry is also a text book definition of fascism, yet for some reason “Democrats” who used to be skeptical of big corporations and corporate influence in DC had no trouble with government telling Facebook and Twitter to shut down anyone who questioned the efficacy of vaccines that were being fast tracked by billion dollar corporations in an industry that had a history of shady dealings in the past (the opioid crisis for example).

People who had the audacity to question these big corporations, who had extraordinary financial leverage over politicians and a revolving door between them and the NIH, were silenced on social media under direction of the government. If that isn’t fascism, you don’t know what fascism means.

Well said. Add to this, people lost their jobs in medicine and public service for refusing the vaccine. It clearly was a violation of their rights, as one of the most liberal states in the nation reversed that policy and is awarding back pay on top of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the definition of fascism, a term that gets misused often on here. Government working hand in glove with large corporations to stifle dissent is the text book definition of fascism.

You've got the definition right but the application wrong. "Dissent" is a keyword here. Disinformation and fake news including foreign fake news is not dissent or honest discourse.

Any tool can be abused. Some tools should not exist due to their potential for abuse. Would you want the Trump administration to be able to censor "disinformation?"

This story is about them doing it...

Stop being daft. The stories they were trying to stop from coming out, specifically the lab leak theory and other takes on Covid that have now been proven to be either correct or have merit (like vaccines not stopping transmission), was not an agenda being pushed by Trump. You are either are against fascism - that is, the collusion between government and big corporations to stifle opposition and free speech - or you are for it. Seems like they’re a lot of fascists in this thread that like to larp as anti fascist because they don’t like Trump.

The vaccines developed while the Wuhan strain was raging across the world were highly effective in stopping the transmission of the Wuhan strain.

However, COVID quickly mutated making the vaccines far less effective. It's nuanced. You can't just write "The vaccine is effective" and shut down anyone challenging that statement.

Compare our response to countries that used non-mRNA vaccines.

You really want to be right. But you're not being objective.

Neither are you. If you compare our response, the vaccine was ineffective at controlling spread in the population.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the definition of fascism, a term that gets misused often on here. Government working hand in glove with large corporations to stifle dissent is the text book definition of fascism.

You've got the definition right but the application wrong. "Dissent" is a keyword here. Disinformation and fake news including foreign fake news is not dissent or honest discourse.

Any tool can be abused. Some tools should not exist due to their potential for abuse. Would you want the Trump administration to be able to censor "disinformation?"

This story is about them doing it...

Stop being daft. The stories they were trying to stop from coming out, specifically the lab leak theory and other takes on Covid that have now been proven to be either correct or have merit (like vaccines not stopping transmission), was not an agenda being pushed by Trump. You are either are against fascism - that is, the collusion between government and big corporations to stifle opposition and free speech - or you are for it. Seems like they’re a lot of fascists in this thread that like to larp as anti fascist because they don’t like Trump.

The vaccines developed while the Wuhan strain was raging across the world were highly effective in stopping the transmission of the Wuhan strain.

However, COVID quickly mutated making the vaccines far less effective. It's nuanced. You can't just write "The vaccine is effective" and shut down anyone challenging that statement.

Compare our response to countries that used non-mRNA vaccines.

You really want to be right. But you're not being objective.

Neither are you. If you compare our response, the vaccine was ineffective at controlling spread in the population.

This blanket statement is not true. For several months, the vaccine was highly effective at reducing spread. Then came the delta variant, and while spread increased, hospitalizations and deaths in highly vaccinated areas remained lower. Just like flu shots save lives and hospital resources for months at a time, so did the first covid shots.

Stop writing falsehoods.

DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Crazy stuff. I read here all the time that Twitter and FB are private companies, so free speech doesn't apply when they censor information.
When the government tells them what to suppress or censor, it is a matter of free speech.

OP, did you actually read the documents in the article? They don't say what you seem to think they say, nor do they support the thesis of the article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the definition of fascism, a term that gets misused often on here. Government working hand in glove with large corporations to stifle dissent is the text book definition of fascism.

You've got the definition right but the application wrong. "Dissent" is a keyword here. Disinformation and fake news including foreign fake news is not dissent or honest discourse.

Any tool can be abused. Some tools should not exist due to their potential for abuse. Would you want the Trump administration to be able to censor "disinformation?"

This story is about them doing it...

Stop being daft. The stories they were trying to stop from coming out, specifically the lab leak theory and other takes on Covid that have now been proven to be either correct or have merit (like vaccines not stopping transmission), was not an agenda being pushed by Trump. You are either are against fascism - that is, the collusion between government and big corporations to stifle opposition and free speech - or you are for it. Seems like they’re a lot of fascists in this thread that like to larp as anti fascist because they don’t like Trump.

The vaccines developed while the Wuhan strain was raging across the world were highly effective in stopping the transmission of the Wuhan strain.

However, COVID quickly mutated making the vaccines far less effective. It's nuanced. You can't just write "The vaccine is effective" and shut down anyone challenging that statement.

Compare our response to countries that used non-mRNA vaccines.

You really want to be right. But you're not being objective.

Neither are you. If you compare our response, the vaccine was ineffective at controlling spread in the population.

In fact, Pfizer knew that. It’s in their paperwork

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crazy stuff. I read here all the time that Twitter and FB are private companies, so free speech doesn't apply when they censor information.
When the government tells them what to suppress or censor, it is a matter of free speech.

OP, did you actually read the documents in the article? They don't say what you seem to think they say, nor do they support the thesis of the article.

Not the op, but given you ‘don’t’ think they say what op things they say”, please give us a detailed explanation of that they do say and why they don’t support the thesis of the article

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the definition of fascism, a term that gets misused often on here. Government working hand in glove with large corporations to stifle dissent is the text book definition of fascism.

You've got the definition right but the application wrong. "Dissent" is a keyword here. Disinformation and fake news including foreign fake news is not dissent or honest discourse.

Any tool can be abused. Some tools should not exist due to their potential for abuse. Would you want the Trump administration to be able to censor "disinformation?"

This story is about them doing it...

Stop being daft. The stories they were trying to stop from coming out, specifically the lab leak theory and other takes on Covid that have now been proven to be either correct or have merit (like vaccines not stopping transmission), was not an agenda being pushed by Trump. You are either are against fascism - that is, the collusion between government and big corporations to stifle opposition and free speech - or you are for it. Seems like they’re a lot of fascists in this thread that like to larp as anti fascist because they don’t like Trump.

The vaccines developed while the Wuhan strain was raging across the world were highly effective in stopping the transmission of the Wuhan strain.

However, COVID quickly mutated making the vaccines far less effective. It's nuanced. You can't just write "The vaccine is effective" and shut down anyone challenging that statement.

Compare our response to countries that used non-mRNA vaccines.

You really want to be right. But you're not being objective.

Neither are you. If you compare our response, the vaccine was ineffective at controlling spread in the population.

In fact, Pfizer knew that. It’s in their paperwork

Can you point us to that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the definition of fascism, a term that gets misused often on here. Government working hand in glove with large corporations to stifle dissent is the text book definition of fascism.

You've got the definition right but the application wrong. "Dissent" is a keyword here. Disinformation and fake news including foreign fake news is not dissent or honest discourse.

Any tool can be abused. Some tools should not exist due to their potential for abuse. Would you want the Trump administration to be able to censor "disinformation?"

This story is about them doing it...

Stop being daft. The stories they were trying to stop from coming out, specifically the lab leak theory and other takes on Covid that have now been proven to be either correct or have merit (like vaccines not stopping transmission), was not an agenda being pushed by Trump. You are either are against fascism - that is, the collusion between government and big corporations to stifle opposition and free speech - or you are for it. Seems like they’re a lot of fascists in this thread that like to larp as anti fascist because they don’t like Trump.

The vaccines developed while the Wuhan strain was raging across the world were highly effective in stopping the transmission of the Wuhan strain.

However, COVID quickly mutated making the vaccines far less effective. It's nuanced. You can't just write "The vaccine is effective" and shut down anyone challenging that statement.

Compare our response to countries that used non-mRNA vaccines.

You really want to be right. But you're not being objective.

Neither are you. If you compare our response, the vaccine was ineffective at controlling spread in the population.

In fact, Pfizer knew that. It’s in their paperwork

Can you point us to that?

They probably can't. Just that one video of a Pfizer exec confirming that they didn't test for transmissibility.

[Anonymous]

The government's and Big Tech's actions to deplatform and sideline "undesirable" information is censorship. There is no other way to describe it. And it's very, very effective.

[Anonymous]

The Intercept framing of the “story” is trash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Intercept framing of the “story” is trash.

Yeah, Lee Fang knows better. Very disappointing.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:The Intercept framing of the “story” is trash.

I posted earlier that I respect Lee Fang and generally trust his reporting. However, it looks like he dropped the ball on this story: