S/O: appropriate amount of time to be on the swings when others are waiting.

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Anonymous wrote:I would give deference to disabled children on any accessible playground equipment, but in my experience this isn't a huge problem because the playgrounds we go to with accessible swings generally also have other accessible equipment. Like we go to a neighborhood playground that has 1 accessible swing, 1 toddler swing, and one of those hard hammock swings (that are just open on all sides and multiple kids can get in, so can be accessible depending on the child). It also has an accessible merry go round (flush to the ground with a safety bar for a wheelchair if needed) and the play structure has ramps in different sections. A lot of newer playgrounds are like this, where accessibility is integrated into lots of aspects of the structure, to encourage kids to be able to play together, rather than having separate facilities for other kids. My DD has a friend who needs accessible equipment (not in a wheelchair but with physical limitations) and this is always where we meet her family because the girls can play together more independently than other places. It's really nice.

One thing that is frustrating is when there are no non-toddler, non-accessible swings. I've been to several playgrounds like this. My kid likes the swings! She is too big for the toddler swing. At our neighborhood playground the girls can get on the hammock swing together and it's fine with parental supervision. But other places we've been there is no hammock swing. Sometimes there isn't even an accessible swing, just toddler swings. I get you can't have everything, but if there are swings at all, it would be nice if there was at least one swing for older kids.

We have big kid and little kid swings at our park but they’re on opposite sides of the playground. Clearly a park not designed by a parent with a two and four year old.

That's so the toddler doesn't get kicked in the head by rowdy older kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

Who is raising these ogres? I'd be embarrassed to even ask.

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I don’t consider kids learning to share to be ogres. A six year old who asks for a turn on the swing my kid is using is easy to redirect to the regular swing. They also may not even realize that my kid can’t use the regular swing. I once had a kid ask my son if he wanted to trade, my son could ride his bike and and could ride the wheelchair. That’s innocence, and frankly way better than the kids who just stand and stare or announce they want to go home.

I was just reacting to the mother who, when her kid came over and said “that boy and his mom won’t share, came over to ask me to get my kid off the swing.

I think she was related to the mother who lectured me about the fact that my kid brought an iPad to a soccer game so he could listen to an audiobook (the controls on a smaller device are too small) lectures me about screen time.

I'm talking about the parents asking the disabled kid to get off.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

No, it absolutely does not apply to you or your child. Tell the parent “no”. That equipment is not for their kid.

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+100 not only do you not have to cede the swing to a non disabled kid, but if my kid is using that accessible swing they are expected to give it up the very MOMENT a disabled child wants to use it, whether they've been on it 10 minutes or 10 seconds.

Absolutely!

Nope. All kids need to learn manners and sharing. They can wait their turn as well. Scorch me I don’t care.

Do you also park in the handicapped spots, because disabled people need to learn to share? SMDH.

Nope but I do use the handicap stall in the bathroom and those grownups have to wait as well. It’s called living in a whole society.

You use the handicapped stall in the restroom when a handicapped individual is waiting for it?!?! Really?

I know you're all having fun here patting each other on the back, but you know very well that's not what PP meant. If a handicapped stall is occupied and a disabled person comes in, they do have to wait for the occupant to finish, like anyone else. I've seen people come in and start banging on the handicapped stall expecting someone in the middle of using the toilet to instantly leap up from the toilet and let them have the stall. That's not how life works.

You shouldn’t be using that stall unless (1) you need it for accessibility reasons; (2) there is a significant line, no one waiting who appears to need it and you’re going to be very quick; or (3) there is a long line, no one waiting with an apparent need for it, and you are having a true bathroom emergency like starting to crap your pants. If you’re in there changing your clothes or supervising your toddler kid because you like the extra elbow room, then you’re just a jackass.

With this rationale, no one should use the handicap ramp except those that are handicapped. No one should use the handicap door except those that are handicapped.
The only one - by law - that is restricted to those with a handicap plate or tag is parking. Not bathrooms. Not ramps. Not doors. Not tables.
Most people use these things ALL.THE.TIME. When a handicapped person comes in that requires it, they (quickly) finish what they are doing and get out of the way.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

No, it absolutely does not apply to you or your child. Tell the parent “no”. That equipment is not for their kid.

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+100 not only do you not have to cede the swing to a non disabled kid, but if my kid is using that accessible swing they are expected to give it up the very MOMENT a disabled child wants to use it, whether they've been on it 10 minutes or 10 seconds.

Absolutely!

Nope. All kids need to learn manners and sharing. They can wait their turn as well. Scorch me I don’t care.

Do you also park in the handicapped spots, because disabled people need to learn to share? SMDH.

Nope but I do use the handicap stall in the bathroom and those grownups have to wait as well. It’s called living in a whole society.

You use the handicapped stall in the restroom when a handicapped individual is waiting for it?!?! Really?

I know you're all having fun here patting each other on the back, but you know very well that's not what PP meant. If a handicapped stall is occupied and a disabled person comes in, they do have to wait for the occupant to finish, like anyone else. I've seen people come in and start banging on the handicapped stall expecting someone in the middle of using the toilet to instantly leap up from the toilet and let them have the stall. That's not how life works.

You shouldn’t be using that stall unless (1) you need it for accessibility reasons; (2) there is a significant line, no one waiting who appears to need it and you’re going to be very quick; or (3) there is a long line, no one waiting with an apparent need for it, and you are having a true bathroom emergency like starting to crap your pants. If you’re in there changing your clothes or supervising your toddler kid because you like the extra elbow room, then you’re just a jackass.

With this rationale, no one should use the handicap ramp except those that are handicapped. No one should use the handicap door except those that are handicapped.
The only one - by law - that is restricted to those with a handicap plate or tag is parking. Not bathrooms. Not ramps. Not doors. Not tables.
Most people use these things ALL.THE.TIME. When a handicapped person comes in that requires it, they (quickly) finish what they are doing and get out of the way.

Uh yeah, you shouldn't use the handicap ramp when you can use the stairs and someone in a wheelchair needs it.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

No, it absolutely does not apply to you or your child. Tell the parent “no”. That equipment is not for their kid.

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+100 not only do you not have to cede the swing to a non disabled kid, but if my kid is using that accessible swing they are expected to give it up the very MOMENT a disabled child wants to use it, whether they've been on it 10 minutes or 10 seconds.

Absolutely!

Nope. All kids need to learn manners and sharing. They can wait their turn as well. Scorch me I don’t care.

Do you also park in the handicapped spots, because disabled people need to learn to share? SMDH.

Nope but I do use the handicap stall in the bathroom and those grownups have to wait as well. It’s called living in a whole society.

You use the handicapped stall in the restroom when a handicapped individual is waiting for it?!?! Really?

I know you're all having fun here patting each other on the back, but you know very well that's not what PP meant. If a handicapped stall is occupied and a disabled person comes in, they do have to wait for the occupant to finish, like anyone else. I've seen people come in and start banging on the handicapped stall expecting someone in the middle of using the toilet to instantly leap up from the toilet and let them have the stall. That's not how life works.

You shouldn’t be using that stall unless (1) you need it for accessibility reasons; (2) there is a significant line, no one waiting who appears to need it and you’re going to be very quick; or (3) there is a long line, no one waiting with an apparent need for it, and you are having a true bathroom emergency like starting to crap your pants. If you’re in there changing your clothes or supervising your toddler kid because you like the extra elbow room, then you’re just a jackass.

With this rationale, no one should use the handicap ramp except those that are handicapped. No one should use the handicap door except those that are handicapped.
The only one - by law - that is restricted to those with a handicap plate or tag is parking. Not bathrooms. Not ramps. Not doors. Not tables.
Most people use these things ALL.THE.TIME. When a handicapped person comes in that requires it, they (quickly) finish what they are doing and get out of the way.

Well, my mother has a guide dog. Certain states do have laws about the handicap seating on public transportation, yet people are jerks to her about it. "Oh, you're walking fine." Yes, she is... and the dog guiding her needs to lie down under the seat so he's out of the way on the bus, so move please. I think if you did your research, there are many laws to help people with disabilities navigate the world that we take for granted.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

No, it absolutely does not apply to you or your child. Tell the parent “no”. That equipment is not for their kid.

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+100 not only do you not have to cede the swing to a non disabled kid, but if my kid is using that accessible swing they are expected to give it up the very MOMENT a disabled child wants to use it, whether they've been on it 10 minutes or 10 seconds.

Absolutely!

Nope. All kids need to learn manners and sharing. They can wait their turn as well. Scorch me I don’t care.

Do you also park in the handicapped spots, because disabled people need to learn to share? SMDH.

Nope but I do use the handicap stall in the bathroom and those grownups have to wait as well. It’s called living in a whole society.

You use the handicapped stall in the restroom when a handicapped individual is waiting for it?!?! Really?

I know you're all having fun here patting each other on the back, but you know very well that's not what PP meant. If a handicapped stall is occupied and a disabled person comes in, they do have to wait for the occupant to finish, like anyone else. I've seen people come in and start banging on the handicapped stall expecting someone in the middle of using the toilet to instantly leap up from the toilet and let them have the stall. That's not how life works.

You shouldn’t be using that stall unless (1) you need it for accessibility reasons; (2) there is a significant line, no one waiting who appears to need it and you’re going to be very quick; or (3) there is a long line, no one waiting with an apparent need for it, and you are having a true bathroom emergency like starting to crap your pants. If you’re in there changing your clothes or supervising your toddler kid because you like the extra elbow room, then you’re just a jackass.

The PP who started this whole "disabled people need to learn they're no better than me" line of posts is a POS, but the disability stall is the stall with the changing table in it at least 75% of the time. It's not fair to say you shouldn't use it unless you're crapping yourself or disabled.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

No, it absolutely does not apply to you or your child. Tell the parent “no”. That equipment is not for their kid.

+2

+100 not only do you not have to cede the swing to a non disabled kid, but if my kid is using that accessible swing they are expected to give it up the very MOMENT a disabled child wants to use it, whether they've been on it 10 minutes or 10 seconds.

Absolutely!

Nope. All kids need to learn manners and sharing. They can wait their turn as well. Scorch me I don’t care.

Do you also park in the handicapped spots, because disabled people need to learn to share? SMDH.

Nope but I do use the handicap stall in the bathroom and those grownups have to wait as well. It’s called living in a whole society.

You use the handicapped stall in the restroom when a handicapped individual is waiting for it?!?! Really?

I know you're all having fun here patting each other on the back, but you know very well that's not what PP meant. If a handicapped stall is occupied and a disabled person comes in, they do have to wait for the occupant to finish, like anyone else. I've seen people come in and start banging on the handicapped stall expecting someone in the middle of using the toilet to instantly leap up from the toilet and let them have the stall. That's not how life works.

You shouldn’t be using that stall unless (1) you need it for accessibility reasons; (2) there is a significant line, no one waiting who appears to need it and you’re going to be very quick; or (3) there is a long line, no one waiting with an apparent need for it, and you are having a true bathroom emergency like starting to crap your pants. If you’re in there changing your clothes or supervising your toddler kid because you like the extra elbow room, then you’re just a jackass.

The PP who started this whole "disabled people need to learn they're no better than me" line of posts is a POS, but the disability stall is the stall with the changing table in it at least 75% of the time. It's not fair to say you shouldn't use it unless you're crapping yourself or disabled.

NP I agree. To be honest I started frequently using the disabled stall in 2006 after an accident. I was using a rolling bag in part for balance and it often didn’t fit in a regular stall. Now I use it with my daughter because it is the only stall her stroller fits into and I can’t leave her outside unsupervised. In any case in 16 years of using such stalls I have never once had a person with an obvious disability waiting for it. Of course they should get priority and I would apologize if someone had to wait because of me but it doesn’t make sense to stop using it for a 1 in 20 year? event.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

No, it absolutely does not apply to you or your child. Tell the parent “no”. That equipment is not for their kid.

+2

+100 not only do you not have to cede the swing to a non disabled kid, but if my kid is using that accessible swing they are expected to give it up the very MOMENT a disabled child wants to use it, whether they've been on it 10 minutes or 10 seconds.

Absolutely!

Nope. All kids need to learn manners and sharing. They can wait their turn as well. Scorch me I don’t care.

Do you also park in the handicapped spots, because disabled people need to learn to share? SMDH.

Nope but I do use the handicap stall in the bathroom and those grownups have to wait as well. It’s called living in a whole society.

You use the handicapped stall in the restroom when a handicapped individual is waiting for it?!?! Really?

I know you're all having fun here patting each other on the back, but you know very well that's not what PP meant. If a handicapped stall is occupied and a disabled person comes in, they do have to wait for the occupant to finish, like anyone else. I've seen people come in and start banging on the handicapped stall expecting someone in the middle of using the toilet to instantly leap up from the toilet and let them have the stall. That's not how life works.

You shouldn’t be using that stall unless (1) you need it for accessibility reasons; (2) there is a significant line, no one waiting who appears to need it and you’re going to be very quick; or (3) there is a long line, no one waiting with an apparent need for it, and you are having a true bathroom emergency like starting to crap your pants. If you’re in there changing your clothes or supervising your toddler kid because you like the extra elbow room, then you’re just a jackass.

The PP who started this whole "disabled people need to learn they're no better than me" line of posts is a POS, but the disability stall is the stall with the changing table in it at least 75% of the time. It's not fair to say you shouldn't use it unless you're crapping yourself or disabled.

NP I agree. To be honest I started frequently using the disabled stall in 2006 after an accident. I was using a rolling bag in part for balance and it often didn’t fit in a regular stall. Now I use it with my daughter because it is the only stall her stroller fits into and I can’t leave her outside unsupervised. In any case in 16 years of using such stalls I have never once had a person with an obvious disability waiting for it. Of course they should get priority and I would apologize if someone had to wait because of me but it doesn’t make sense to stop using it for a 1 in 20 year? event.

I'm disabled. Those stalls have the change table and room for a stroller, so I expect that parents of young kids will use it. It's also the only stall my walker fits in so it's nice if the people who are able to use the regular stalls, do.

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I am the mother who started the disabled swing thing.

I appreciate universal design. I think the swing, the ramp, the accessible gate at the metro, the elevator, the accessible stall etc . . . are there for everyone, and that when everyone uses them it both feels more inclusive, and makes it more likely that they will build more.

I do think that people without disabilities should be aware of the fact that things can be a scarce resource, and be mindful of how you use it. I am happy to wait for you to finish peeing or changing a diaper in the family restroom. I get annoyed when people decide it’s the perfect place for a 40 minute long private phone conversation. I think your toddler looks adorable playing on the ramp but keep an eye out and take him off when someone needs it to get in or out.

And if someone with a disability needs it or is using it, then have patience. Because things sometimes take us more time.

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I think 5-6 minutes is fine for most kids to wait including toddlers.

If someone is on the swing we do something else.

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I would say five minutes is the most considerate.

However if there is a long line for the swings - I may just do 2-3 min.