S/O: appropriate amount of time to be on the swings when others are waiting.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

Wow. No. That other parent might win for most entitled person in the DC area. The proper response to that is to look that person dead in the eye and (loudly) say "You want me...to tell my disabled child he can't play anymore...because your kid wants a turn on the only accessible swing in the playground?"

I have never actually seen a disabled child use to the disabled swing at the playground.

I would have my child get off within a minute of disabled child coming and would not bother the disabled child.

However, I think the pp saying disabled child doesn’t have to get off is also a bad attitude.

Okay so I will tell my nephew who is unable to walk, see or talk that he has a ‘bad attitude’ when his mother lifts him into the accessible swing and pushes him for as long as she wants because it makes him happy? Because your disgusting a** thinks your able bodied child should get to use this one swing. If you walked up and told me (or my sister) that it was your child’s turn we would both say ‘F**k off’ straight to your face.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

Wow. No. That other parent might win for most entitled person in the DC area. The proper response to that is to look that person dead in the eye and (loudly) say "You want me...to tell my disabled child he can't play anymore...because your kid wants a turn on the only accessible swing in the playground?"

I have never actually seen a disabled child use to the disabled swing at the playground.

I would have my child get off within a minute of disabled child coming and would not bother the disabled child.

However, I think the pp saying disabled child doesn’t have to get off is also a bad attitude.

Why in the world would you expect a kid who can use one swing to get off so your kid can use it?

I would explain to your kid that the swing is for children who can't use the other equipment, and my kid will get off when we are finished.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

No, it absolutely does not apply to you or your child. Tell the parent “no”. That equipment is not for their kid.

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+100 not only do you not have to cede the swing to a non disabled kid, but if my kid is using that accessible swing they are expected to give it up the very MOMENT a disabled child wants to use it, whether they've been on it 10 minutes or 10 seconds.

Absolutely!

Nope. All kids need to learn manners and sharing. They can wait their turn as well. Scorch me I don’t care.

Do you also park in the handicapped spots, because disabled people need to learn to share? SMDH.

Nope but I do use the handicap stall in the bathroom and those grownups have to wait as well. It’s called living in a whole society.

You use the handicapped stall in the restroom when a handicapped individual is waiting for it?!?! Really?

I'm a handicapped adult. PP's attitude doesn't surprise me.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

No, it absolutely does not apply to you or your child. Tell the parent “no”. That equipment is not for their kid.

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+100 not only do you not have to cede the swing to a non disabled kid, but if my kid is using that accessible swing they are expected to give it up the very MOMENT a disabled child wants to use it, whether they've been on it 10 minutes or 10 seconds.

Absolutely!

Nope. All kids need to learn manners and sharing. They can wait their turn as well. Scorch me I don’t care.

Do you also park in the handicapped spots, because disabled people need to learn to share? SMDH.

Nope but I do use the handicap stall in the bathroom and those grownups have to wait as well. It’s called living in a whole society.

You use the handicapped stall in the restroom when a handicapped individual is waiting for it?!?! Really?

I know you're all having fun here patting each other on the back, but you know very well that's not what PP meant. If a handicapped stall is occupied and a disabled person comes in, they do have to wait for the occupant to finish, like anyone else. I've seen people come in and start banging on the handicapped stall expecting someone in the middle of using the toilet to instantly leap up from the toilet and let them have the stall. That's not how life works.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

Who is raising these ogres? I'd be embarrassed to even ask.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

No, it absolutely does not apply to you or your child. Tell the parent “no”. That equipment is not for their kid.

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+100 not only do you not have to cede the swing to a non disabled kid, but if my kid is using that accessible swing they are expected to give it up the very MOMENT a disabled child wants to use it, whether they've been on it 10 minutes or 10 seconds.

Absolutely!

Nope. All kids need to learn manners and sharing. They can wait their turn as well. Scorch me I don’t care.

Do you also park in the handicapped spots, because disabled people need to learn to share? SMDH.

Nope but I do use the handicap stall in the bathroom and those grownups have to wait as well. It’s called living in a whole society.

You use the handicapped stall in the restroom when a handicapped individual is waiting for it?!?! Really?

I know you're all having fun here patting each other on the back, but you know very well that's not what PP meant. If a handicapped stall is occupied and a disabled person comes in, they do have to wait for the occupant to finish, like anyone else. I've seen people come in and start banging on the handicapped stall expecting someone in the middle of using the toilet to instantly leap up from the toilet and let them have the stall. That's not how life works.

NP and you know very well this is a different scenario that some parent who won’t take their kid off the accessibility swing for a child who has disabilities. And I would argue parents of kids with disabilities sure know the realities of how life works better than most people on this site.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

No, it absolutely does not apply to you or your child. Tell the parent “no”. That equipment is not for their kid.

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+100 not only do you not have to cede the swing to a non disabled kid, but if my kid is using that accessible swing they are expected to give it up the very MOMENT a disabled child wants to use it, whether they've been on it 10 minutes or 10 seconds.

Absolutely!

Nope. All kids need to learn manners and sharing. They can wait their turn as well. Scorch me I don’t care.

Do you also park in the handicapped spots, because disabled people need to learn to share? SMDH.

Nope but I do use the handicap stall in the bathroom and those grownups have to wait as well. It’s called living in a whole society.

You use the handicapped stall in the restroom when a handicapped individual is waiting for it?!?! Really?

I know you're all having fun here patting each other on the back, but you know very well that's not what PP meant. If a handicapped stall is occupied and a disabled person comes in, they do have to wait for the occupant to finish, like anyone else. I've seen people come in and start banging on the handicapped stall expecting someone in the middle of using the toilet to instantly leap up from the toilet and let them have the stall. That's not how life works.

You shouldn’t be using that stall unless (1) you need it for accessibility reasons; (2) there is a significant line, no one waiting who appears to need it and you’re going to be very quick; or (3) there is a long line, no one waiting with an apparent need for it, and you are having a true bathroom emergency like starting to crap your pants. If you’re in there changing your clothes or supervising your toddler kid because you like the extra elbow room, then you’re just a jackass.

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I would give deference to disabled children on any accessible playground equipment, but in my experience this isn't a huge problem because the playgrounds we go to with accessible swings generally also have other accessible equipment. Like we go to a neighborhood playground that has 1 accessible swing, 1 toddler swing, and one of those hard hammock swings (that are just open on all sides and multiple kids can get in, so can be accessible depending on the child). It also has an accessible merry go round (flush to the ground with a safety bar for a wheelchair if needed) and the play structure has ramps in different sections. A lot of newer playgrounds are like this, where accessibility is integrated into lots of aspects of the structure, to encourage kids to be able to play together, rather than having separate facilities for other kids. My DD has a friend who needs accessible equipment (not in a wheelchair but with physical limitations) and this is always where we meet her family because the girls can play together more independently than other places. It's really nice.

One thing that is frustrating is when there are no non-toddler, non-accessible swings. I've been to several playgrounds like this. My kid likes the swings! She is too big for the toddler swing. At our neighborhood playground the girls can get on the hammock swing together and it's fine with parental supervision. But other places we've been there is no hammock swing. Sometimes there isn't even an accessible swing, just toddler swings. I get you can't have everything, but if there are swings at all, it would be nice if there was at least one swing for older kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I would give deference to disabled children on any accessible playground equipment, but in my experience this isn't a huge problem because the playgrounds we go to with accessible swings generally also have other accessible equipment. Like we go to a neighborhood playground that has 1 accessible swing, 1 toddler swing, and one of those hard hammock swings (that are just open on all sides and multiple kids can get in, so can be accessible depending on the child). It also has an accessible merry go round (flush to the ground with a safety bar for a wheelchair if needed) and the play structure has ramps in different sections. A lot of newer playgrounds are like this, where accessibility is integrated into lots of aspects of the structure, to encourage kids to be able to play together, rather than having separate facilities for other kids. My DD has a friend who needs accessible equipment (not in a wheelchair but with physical limitations) and this is always where we meet her family because the girls can play together more independently than other places. It's really nice.

One thing that is frustrating is when there are no non-toddler, non-accessible swings. I've been to several playgrounds like this. My kid likes the swings! She is too big for the toddler swing. At our neighborhood playground the girls can get on the hammock swing together and it's fine with parental supervision. But other places we've been there is no hammock swing. Sometimes there isn't even an accessible swing, just toddler swings. I get you can't have everything, but if there are swings at all, it would be nice if there was at least one swing for older kids.

We have big kid and little kid swings at our park but they’re on opposite sides of the playground. Clearly a park not designed by a parent with a two and four year old.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

No, it absolutely does not apply to you or your child. Tell the parent “no”. That equipment is not for their kid.

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+100 not only do you not have to cede the swing to a non disabled kid, but if my kid is using that accessible swing they are expected to give it up the very MOMENT a disabled child wants to use it, whether they've been on it 10 minutes or 10 seconds.

Absolutely!

Nope. All kids need to learn manners and sharing. They can wait their turn as well. Scorch me I don’t care.

Do you also park in the handicapped spots, because disabled people need to learn to share? SMDH.

Nope but I do use the handicap stall in the bathroom and those grownups have to wait as well. It’s called living in a whole society.

You use the handicapped stall in the restroom when a handicapped individual is waiting for it?!?! Really?

I know you're all having fun here patting each other on the back, but you know very well that's not what PP meant. If a handicapped stall is occupied and a disabled person comes in, they do have to wait for the occupant to finish, like anyone else. I've seen people come in and start banging on the handicapped stall expecting someone in the middle of using the toilet to instantly leap up from the toilet and let them have the stall. That's not how life works.

You shouldn’t be using that stall unless (1) you need it for accessibility reasons; (2) there is a significant line, no one waiting who appears to need it and you’re going to be very quick; or (3) there is a long line, no one waiting with an apparent need for it, and you are having a true bathroom emergency like starting to crap your pants. If you’re in there changing your clothes or supervising your toddler kid because you like the extra elbow room, then you’re just a jackass.

DP and I.... disagree?

If I am taking my newly potty trained toddler to the bathroom and it's empty, I will absolutely use the large stall so we have "elbow room" rather than squeezing into one of the small stalls which are not designed for two people. The largest stall is also almost always where the changing table is located, so it is designed to do dual purpose as the disabled stall and the family stall. We don't linger beyond what is needed, but I also wouldn't feel guilty if I came out and there was a disabled person waiting for the large stall. I'd say something like "sorry for making you wait" because I would feel bad that they had to wait for the one stall they can use (and again, we would not linger in there), but I would not feel bad for using it. I also needed it.

Once my kid is trained enough to not need help getting on and off the potty, we use the smaller stalls. But for diaper changes and very young/newly trained kids, I use the large stall without guilt. Babies and toddlers also need bathroom accommodations.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

Who is raising these ogres? I'd be embarrassed to even ask.

OP here,

I don’t consider kids learning to share to be ogres. A six year old who asks for a turn on the swing my kid is using is easy to redirect to the regular swing. They also may not even realize that my kid can’t use the regular swing. I once had a kid ask my son if he wanted to trade, my son could ride his bike and and could ride the wheelchair. That’s innocence, and frankly way better than the kids who just stand and stare or announce they want to go home.

I was just reacting to the mother who, when her kid came over and said “that boy and his mom won’t share, came over to ask me to get my kid off the swing.

I think she was related to the mother who lectured me about the fact that my kid brought an iPad to a soccer game so he could listen to an audiobook (the controls on a smaller device are too small) lectures me about screen time.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

No, it absolutely does not apply to you or your child. Tell the parent “no”. That equipment is not for their kid.

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+100 not only do you not have to cede the swing to a non disabled kid, but if my kid is using that accessible swing they are expected to give it up the very MOMENT a disabled child wants to use it, whether they've been on it 10 minutes or 10 seconds.

Absolutely!

Nope. All kids need to learn manners and sharing. They can wait their turn as well. Scorch me I don’t care.

Do you also park in the handicapped spots, because disabled people need to learn to share? SMDH.

Nope but I do use the handicap stall in the bathroom and those grownups have to wait as well. It’s called living in a whole society.

You use the handicapped stall in the restroom when a handicapped individual is waiting for it?!?! Really?

I know you're all having fun here patting each other on the back, but you know very well that's not what PP meant. If a handicapped stall is occupied and a disabled person comes in, they do have to wait for the occupant to finish, like anyone else. I've seen people come in and start banging on the handicapped stall expecting someone in the middle of using the toilet to instantly leap up from the toilet and let them have the stall. That's not how life works.

You shouldn’t be using that stall unless (1) you need it for accessibility reasons; (2) there is a significant line, no one waiting who appears to need it and you’re going to be very quick; or (3) there is a long line, no one waiting with an apparent need for it, and you are having a true bathroom emergency like starting to crap your pants. If you’re in there changing your clothes or supervising your toddler kid because you like the extra elbow room, then you’re just a jackass.

DP and I.... disagree?

If I am taking my newly potty trained toddler to the bathroom and it's empty, I will absolutely use the large stall so we have "elbow room" rather than squeezing into one of the small stalls which are not designed for two people. The largest stall is also almost always where the changing table is located, so it is designed to do dual purpose as the disabled stall and the family stall. We don't linger beyond what is needed, but I also wouldn't feel guilty if I came out and there was a disabled person waiting for the large stall. I'd say something like "sorry for making you wait" because I would feel bad that they had to wait for the one stall they can use (and again, we would not linger in there), but I would not feel bad for using it. I also needed it.

Once my kid is trained enough to not need help getting on and off the potty, we use the smaller stalls. But for diaper changes and very young/newly trained kids, I use the large stall without guilt. Babies and toddlers also need bathroom accommodations.

+1; it's clearly also intended as a family stall at many establishments.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

No, it absolutely does not apply to you or your child. Tell the parent “no”. That equipment is not for their kid.

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+100 not only do you not have to cede the swing to a non disabled kid, but if my kid is using that accessible swing they are expected to give it up the very MOMENT a disabled child wants to use it, whether they've been on it 10 minutes or 10 seconds.

Absolutely!

Nope. All kids need to learn manners and sharing. They can wait their turn as well. Scorch me I don’t care.

Do you also park in the handicapped spots, because disabled people need to learn to share? SMDH.

Nope but I do use the handicap stall in the bathroom and those grownups have to wait as well. It’s called living in a whole society.

You use the handicapped stall in the restroom when a handicapped individual is waiting for it?!?! Really?

NP but sometimes you can't tell that someone is disabled and unless they say something, how would you know? But if someone is in a wheelchair or has a walker, I have never ever seen anyone NOT let them go ahead of everyone in a line.

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Anonymous wrote:I would give deference to disabled children on any accessible playground equipment, but in my experience this isn't a huge problem because the playgrounds we go to with accessible swings generally also have other accessible equipment. Like we go to a neighborhood playground that has 1 accessible swing, 1 toddler swing, and one of those hard hammock swings (that are just open on all sides and multiple kids can get in, so can be accessible depending on the child). It also has an accessible merry go round (flush to the ground with a safety bar for a wheelchair if needed) and the play structure has ramps in different sections. A lot of newer playgrounds are like this, where accessibility is integrated into lots of aspects of the structure, to encourage kids to be able to play together, rather than having separate facilities for other kids. My DD has a friend who needs accessible equipment (not in a wheelchair but with physical limitations) and this is always where we meet her family because the girls can play together more independently than other places. It's really nice.

One thing that is frustrating is when there are no non-toddler, non-accessible swings. I've been to several playgrounds like this. My kid likes the swings! She is too big for the toddler swing. At our neighborhood playground the girls can get on the hammock swing together and it's fine with parental supervision. But other places we've been there is no hammock swing. Sometimes there isn't even an accessible swing, just toddler swings. I get you can't have everything, but if there are swings at all, it would be nice if there was at least one swing for older kids.

OP here,

Different kids have different needs. Ramp access works really well for a lot of kids, mainly kids with some independent mobility, but it wasn't great for mine. If you go to some place like Clemijontri then there are definitely things like a wheelchair accessible merry go round, but there are also lots of playground that don't have that.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I just add the obvious, which is that this doesn’t apply when non disabled kids are waiting for the accessible swing? I have had parents come over to demand a turn for their kid on what is literally the only piece of equipment he can use, and there are other swings, slides, and climbing equipment available.

And before someone asks, the other parent watched me lift my kid out of his wheelchair into the swing, so they didn’t miss the fact there was a disability.

Who is raising these ogres? I'd be embarrassed to even ask.

OP here,

I don’t consider kids learning to share to be ogres. A six year old who asks for a turn on the swing my kid is using is easy to redirect to the regular swing. They also may not even realize that my kid can’t use the regular swing. I once had a kid ask my son if he wanted to trade, my son could ride his bike and and could ride the wheelchair. That’s innocence, and frankly way better than the kids who just stand and stare or announce they want to go home.

I was just reacting to the mother who, when her kid came over and said “that boy and his mom won’t share, came over to ask me to get my kid off the swing.

I think she was related to the mother who lectured me about the fact that my kid brought an iPad to a soccer game so he could listen to an audiobook (the controls on a smaller device are too small) lectures me about screen time.

You sound very reasonable and kind, PP, and I would hope that if my child are the one using the accessible swing, she would also hop off right away after your explanation. They have one of these at school, and they do have disabled children in their school, so they know who the swing is intended for.