Why did BOE not demand Financial Literacy Graduation Requirement

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Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

Actually parents mostly wanted it to be a requirement.

Where do you get that from? Everyone I know feels we don't need more silly classes that teach common sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

Actually parents mostly wanted it to be a requirement.

Where do you get that from? Everyone I know feels we don't need more silly classes that teach common sense.

DP. They're referring to the survey results presented at the BOE meeting. 65% of parents surveyed said the class should be a graduation requirement.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CF8HQE488BD3/$file/Finan%20Lit%20Rec%20Frameworks%20Health%20Phys%20Ed%20220607%20PPT.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

Actually parents mostly wanted it to be a requirement.

Where do you get that from? Everyone I know feels we don't need more silly classes that teach common sense.

DP. They're referring to the survey results presented at the BOE meeting. 65% of parents surveyed said the class should be a graduation requirement.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CF8HQE488BD3/$file/Finan%20Lit%20Rec%20Frameworks%20Health%20Phys%20Ed%20220607%20PPT.pdf

Statistician you are not. Maybe 3 percent of parents filled out that survey. There are approximately 150k students in MCPS and 4.7K “selected” filled out the survey. If we assume each student has one sibling in MCPS, that’s 150k parents. Conduct a random sample and let’s see what the numbers look like- Sherlock.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

Actually parents mostly wanted it to be a requirement.

Where do you get that from? Everyone I know feels we don't need more silly classes that teach common sense.

DP. They're referring to the survey results presented at the BOE meeting. 65% of parents surveyed said the class should be a graduation requirement.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CF8HQE488BD3/$file/Finan%20Lit%20Rec%20Frameworks%20Health%20Phys%20Ed%20220607%20PPT.pdf

Statistician you are not. Maybe 3 percent of parents filled out that survey. There are approximately 150k students in MCPS and 4.7K “selected” filled out the survey. If we assume each student has one sibling in MCPS, that’s 150k parents. Conduct a random sample and let’s see what the numbers look like- Sherlock.

That's why I said "65% of parents surveyed." I didn't suggest it was a random sample.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

Actually parents mostly wanted it to be a requirement.

Where do you get that from? Everyone I know feels we don't need more silly classes that teach common sense.

DP. They're referring to the survey results presented at the BOE meeting. 65% of parents surveyed said the class should be a graduation requirement.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CF8HQE488BD3/$file/Finan%20Lit%20Rec%20Frameworks%20Health%20Phys%20Ed%20220607%20PPT.pdf

Statistician you are not. Maybe 3 percent of parents filled out that survey. There are approximately 150k students in MCPS and 4.7K “selected” filled out the survey. If we assume each student has one sibling in MCPS, that’s 150k parents. Conduct a random sample and let’s see what the numbers look like- Sherlock.

That's why I said "65% of parents surveyed." I didn't suggest it was a random sample.

Right 65 percent of parents surveyed is quite meaningless when the sample is 3 percent and non-random. I could get you a sample of all my friends and friends friends and the results would be quite opposite.

[Anonymous]

The point is moot as the Board didn't follow the survey respondents' preferences anyway.

[Anonymous]

There wouldn't have to be a required class if MCPS properly had worked up an option for the BOE to consider that allowed for test-out and/or extracurricular fulfillment.

If O'Looney's off to Harvard, then hats off to her. If only we had adult BOE members so sharp...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

Actually parents mostly wanted it to be a requirement.

Where do you get that from? Everyone I know feels we don't need more silly classes that teach common sense.

DP. They're referring to the survey results presented at the BOE meeting. 65% of parents surveyed said the class should be a graduation requirement.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CF8HQE488BD3/$file/Finan%20Lit%20Rec%20Frameworks%20Health%20Phys%20Ed%20220607%20PPT.pdf

Statistician you are not. Maybe 3 percent of parents filled out that survey. There are approximately 150k students in MCPS and 4.7K “selected” filled out the survey. If we assume each student has one sibling in MCPS, that’s 150k parents. Conduct a random sample and let’s see what the numbers look like- Sherlock.

That's why I said "65% of parents surveyed." I didn't suggest it was a random sample.

Right 65 percent of parents surveyed is quite meaningless when the sample is 3 percent and non-random. I could get you a sample of all my friends and friends friends and the results would be quite opposite.

I suspect that even with a random sampling the results would still trend that most stakeholders feel this is a worthwhile requirement. More so than a full credit of HS Physical education and 4 years of English (that in many cases fails to prepare all students well for writing).

https://www.inc.com/ali-donaldson/financial-literacy-training-best-workplaces.html

https://www.schwabmoneywise.com/tools-resources/literacy-survey

https://fortune.com/2022/04/01/financial-literacy-month-ryan-williams-cadre/amp/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

Actually parents mostly wanted it to be a requirement.

Where do you get that from? Everyone I know feels we don't need more silly classes that teach common sense.

DP. They're referring to the survey results presented at the BOE meeting. 65% of parents surveyed said the class should be a graduation requirement.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CF8HQE488BD3/$file/Finan%20Lit%20Rec%20Frameworks%20Health%20Phys%20Ed%20220607%20PPT.pdf

Statistician you are not. Maybe 3 percent of parents filled out that survey. There are approximately 150k students in MCPS and 4.7K “selected” filled out the survey. If we assume each student has one sibling in MCPS, that’s 150k parents. Conduct a random sample and let’s see what the numbers look like- Sherlock.

That's why I said "65% of parents surveyed." I didn't suggest it was a random sample.

Right 65 percent of parents surveyed is quite meaningless when the sample is 3 percent and non-random. I could get you a sample of all my friends and friends friends and the results would be quite opposite.

I suspect that even with a random sampling the results would still trend that most stakeholders feel this is a worthwhile requirement. More so than a full credit of HS Physical education and 4 years of English (that in many cases fails to prepare all students well for writing).

https://www.inc.com/ali-donaldson/financial-literacy-training-best-workplaces.html

https://www.schwabmoneywise.com/tools-resources/literacy-survey

https://fortune.com/2022/04/01/financial-literacy-month-ryan-williams-cadre/amp/

I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

Actually parents mostly wanted it to be a requirement.

Where do you get that from? Everyone I know feels we don't need more silly classes that teach common sense.

DP. They're referring to the survey results presented at the BOE meeting. 65% of parents surveyed said the class should be a graduation requirement.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CF8HQE488BD3/$file/Finan%20Lit%20Rec%20Frameworks%20Health%20Phys%20Ed%20220607%20PPT.pdf

Statistician you are not. Maybe 3 percent of parents filled out that survey. There are approximately 150k students in MCPS and 4.7K “selected” filled out the survey. If we assume each student has one sibling in MCPS, that’s 150k parents. Conduct a random sample and let’s see what the numbers look like- Sherlock.

That's why I said "65% of parents surveyed." I didn't suggest it was a random sample.

Right 65 percent of parents surveyed is quite meaningless when the sample is 3 percent and non-random. I could get you a sample of all my friends and friends friends and the results would be quite opposite.

I suspect that even with a random sampling the results would still trend that most stakeholders feel this is a worthwhile requirement. More so than a full credit of HS Physical education and 4 years of English (that in many cases fails to prepare all students well for writing).

https://www.inc.com/ali-donaldson/financial-literacy-training-best-workplaces.html

https://www.schwabmoneywise.com/tools-resources/literacy-survey

https://fortune.com/2022/04/01/financial-literacy-month-ryan-williams-cadre/amp/

Yes let’s take away English a core requirement for colleges and add a financial literacy credit instead. Ridiculous. Just like English, people who don’t care about consequences will suffer in life. There is no one with half a brain that says oh let me borrow 200k for college and doesn’t realize that you will be saddled with tons of debt. People know it- they just focus on the now- I want to go to Gettysburg College and major in underwater basket weaving etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

Actually parents mostly wanted it to be a requirement.

Where do you get that from? Everyone I know feels we don't need more silly classes that teach common sense.

Out of 150K 27% are proficient in maths?

DP. They're referring to the survey results presented at the BOE meeting. 65% of parents surveyed said the class should be a graduation requirement.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CF8HQE488BD3/$file/Finan%20Lit%20Rec%20Frameworks%20Health%20Phys%20Ed%20220607%20PPT.pdf

Statistician you are not. Maybe 3 percent of parents filled out that survey. There are approximately 150k students in MCPS and 4.7K “selected” filled out the survey. If we assume each student has one sibling in MCPS, that’s 150k parents. Conduct a random sample and let’s see what the numbers look like- Sherlock.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

Actually parents mostly wanted it to be a requirement.

Where do you get that from? Everyone I know feels we don't need more silly classes that teach common sense.

Out of those 150K you listed, only 27% are proficient in math?

DP. They're referring to the survey results presented at the BOE meeting. 65% of parents surveyed said the class should be a graduation requirement.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CF8HQE488BD3/$file/Finan%20Lit%20Rec%20Frameworks%20Health%20Phys%20Ed%20220607%20PPT.pdf

Statistician you are not. Maybe 3 percent of parents filled out that survey. There are approximately 150k students in MCPS and 4.7K “selected” filled out the survey. If we assume each student has one sibling in MCPS, that’s 150k parents. Conduct a random sample and let’s see what the numbers look like- Sherlock.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

Actually parents mostly wanted it to be a requirement.

Where do you get that from? Everyone I know feels we don't need more silly classes that teach common sense.

DP. They're referring to the survey results presented at the BOE meeting. 65% of parents surveyed said the class should be a graduation requirement.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CF8HQE488BD3/$file/Finan%20Lit%20Rec%20Frameworks%20Health%20Phys%20Ed%20220607%20PPT.pdf

Statistician you are not. Maybe 3 percent of parents filled out that survey. There are approximately 150k students in MCPS and 4.7K “selected” filled out the survey. If we assume each student has one sibling in MCPS, that’s 150k parents. Conduct a random sample and let’s see what the numbers look like- Sherlock.

That's why I said "65% of parents surveyed." I didn't suggest it was a random sample.

Right 65 percent of parents surveyed is quite meaningless when the sample is 3 percent and non-random. I could get you a sample of all my friends and friends friends and the results would be quite opposite.

I suspect that even with a random sampling the results would still trend that most stakeholders feel this is a worthwhile requirement. More so than a full credit of HS Physical education and 4 years of English (that in many cases fails to prepare all students well for writing).

https://www.inc.com/ali-donaldson/financial-literacy-training-best-workplaces.html

https://www.schwabmoneywise.com/tools-resources/literacy-survey

https://fortune.com/2022/04/01/financial-literacy-month-ryan-williams-cadre/amp/

Yes let’s take away English a core requirement for colleges and add a financial literacy credit instead. Ridiculous. Just like English, people who don’t care about consequences will suffer in life. There is no one with half a brain that says oh let me borrow 200k for college and doesn’t realize that you will be saddled with tons of debt. People know it- they just focus on the now- I want to go to Gettysburg College and major in underwater basket weaving etc.

Yes let’s take away requiring 4 credits of English that according to many a professor is not preparing students for the writing, research, and analysis needed in Higher Ed or real jobs. Replace it with 1 intensive writing and research class, 1 World Literature and Analysis class, and then let students study what they wish/need for their future and put the skills acquired from the previous two classes to use. Some will take more English, some history, some advance Stats, some Environmental Science. Imagine that, actually evaluating a curriculum to determine if it achieves the necessary goals of making students College, Career, and Community ready.

Oh, dent is not the only topic covered in Financial Literacy. There’s budgeting, investing, taxes, business planning. Etc.

[Anonymous]

Pushy mine took AP Lang and Lit and boy did she learn to write. She earned college credit for the APs and she’s a STEM major too.

YMMV. Financial Literacy is an elective that’s great for some. Thankfully the BOE didn’t add one more silly requirement that the kids can learn in a few hours.