Why did BOE not demand Financial Literacy Graduation Requirement

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Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

That was a different poster (of course, who can tell on am anonymous board?); I'm the one who mentioned the population most in need is that least likely to pay attention to anything not required.

The point was that there was an opportunity to ensure financial literacy via a requirement, but one that could be met a variety of ways -- a class (Quantitative Literacy already exists and counts towards the 4-year Math requirement), a teat-out or well-defined extracurricular activites (some of which could also provide SSL hours towards graduation). This way, there would be no need to miss a desired elective (e.g., Drama), which was the overwhelming objection.

Even seeing that, though, either they didn't put the pieces together to figure it out (as O'Looney nearly was able to do on the fly during the meeting) or they failed to present that with any robustness that would allow the BOE to adopt it. Not sure what those on the BOE who more clearly didn't support the idea were worried about (who knows...adding a requirement close to election time?), but they clearly clung to the PG example (have to see how it goes there, first; we're less like Frederick) and the worry about electives, and that was the clear tenor of the presentation, even more so than the MCPS recommendation memo, itself.

I could support the requirement with a test out option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

That was a different poster (of course, who can tell on am anonymous board?); I'm the one who mentioned the population most in need is that least likely to pay attention to anything not required.

The point was that there was an opportunity to ensure financial literacy via a requirement, but one that could be met a variety of ways -- a class (Quantitative Literacy already exists and counts towards the 4-year Math requirement), a teat-out or well-defined extracurricular activites (some of which could also provide SSL hours towards graduation). This way, there would be no need to miss a desired elective (e.g., Drama), which was the overwhelming objection.

Even seeing that, though, either they didn't put the pieces together to figure it out (as O'Looney nearly was able to do on the fly during the meeting) or they failed to present that with any robustness that would allow the BOE to adopt it. Not sure what those on the BOE who more clearly didn't support the idea were worried about (who knows...adding a requirement close to election time?), but they clearly clung to the PG example (have to see how it goes there, first; we're less like Frederick) and the worry about electives, and that was the clear tenor of the presentation, even more so than the MCPS recommendation memo, itself.

I could support the requirement with a test out option.

or if they make it a 1 semester class and shorten health back to 1 semester so they stop adding these silly requirements that average students grasp without a class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

That was a different poster (of course, who can tell on am anonymous board?); I'm the one who mentioned the population most in need is that least likely to pay attention to anything not required.

The point was that there was an opportunity to ensure financial literacy via a requirement, but one that could be met a variety of ways -- a class (Quantitative Literacy already exists and counts towards the 4-year Math requirement), a teat-out or well-defined extracurricular activites (some of which could also provide SSL hours towards graduation). This way, there would be no need to miss a desired elective (e.g., Drama), which was the overwhelming objection.

Even seeing that, though, either they didn't put the pieces together to figure it out (as O'Looney nearly was able to do on the fly during the meeting) or they failed to present that with any robustness that would allow the BOE to adopt it. Not sure what those on the BOE who more clearly didn't support the idea were worried about (who knows...adding a requirement close to election time?), but they clearly clung to the PG example (have to see how it goes there, first; we're less like Frederick) and the worry about electives, and that was the clear tenor of the presentation, even more so than the MCPS recommendation memo, itself.

I could support the requirement with a test out option.

or if they make it a 1 semester class and shorten health back to 1 semester so they stop adding these silly requirements that average students grasp without a class.

YES!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

That was a different poster (of course, who can tell on am anonymous board?); I'm the one who mentioned the population most in need is that least likely to pay attention to anything not required.

The point was that there was an opportunity to ensure financial literacy via a requirement, but one that could be met a variety of ways -- a class (Quantitative Literacy already exists and counts towards the 4-year Math requirement), a teat-out or well-defined extracurricular activites (some of which could also provide SSL hours towards graduation). This way, there would be no need to miss a desired elective (e.g., Drama), which was the overwhelming objection.

Even seeing that, though, either they didn't put the pieces together to figure it out (as O'Looney nearly was able to do on the fly during the meeting) or they failed to present that with any robustness that would allow the BOE to adopt it. Not sure what those on the BOE who more clearly didn't support the idea were worried about (who knows...adding a requirement close to election time?), but they clearly clung to the PG example (have to see how it goes there, first; we're less like Frederick) and the worry about electives, and that was the clear tenor of the presentation, even more so than the MCPS recommendation memo, itself.

I could support the requirement with a test out option.

or if they make it a 1 semester class and shorten health back to 1 semester so they stop adding these silly requirements that average students grasp without a class.

YES!!!!

I would totally support this, but the health requirement comes from the state, not from MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

That was a different poster (of course, who can tell on am anonymous board?); I'm the one who mentioned the population most in need is that least likely to pay attention to anything not required.

The point was that there was an opportunity to ensure financial literacy via a requirement, but one that could be met a variety of ways -- a class (Quantitative Literacy already exists and counts towards the 4-year Math requirement), a teat-out or well-defined extracurricular activites (some of which could also provide SSL hours towards graduation). This way, there would be no need to miss a desired elective (e.g., Drama), which was the overwhelming objection.

Even seeing that, though, either they didn't put the pieces together to figure it out (as O'Looney nearly was able to do on the fly during the meeting) or they failed to present that with any robustness that would allow the BOE to adopt it. Not sure what those on the BOE who more clearly didn't support the idea were worried about (who knows...adding a requirement close to election time?), but they clearly clung to the PG example (have to see how it goes there, first; we're less like Frederick) and the worry about electives, and that was the clear tenor of the presentation, even more so than the MCPS recommendation memo, itself.

I could support the requirement with a test out option.

or if they make it a 1 semester class and shorten health back to 1 semester so they stop adding these silly requirements that average students grasp without a class.

Again, the state of MD just mandated two semesters of Health.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

That was a different poster (of course, who can tell on am anonymous board?); I'm the one who mentioned the population most in need is that least likely to pay attention to anything not required.

The point was that there was an opportunity to ensure financial literacy via a requirement, but one that could be met a variety of ways -- a class (Quantitative Literacy already exists and counts towards the 4-year Math requirement), a teat-out or well-defined extracurricular activites (some of which could also provide SSL hours towards graduation). This way, there would be no need to miss a desired elective (e.g., Drama), which was the overwhelming objection.

Even seeing that, though, either they didn't put the pieces together to figure it out (as O'Looney nearly was able to do on the fly during the meeting) or they failed to present that with any robustness that would allow the BOE to adopt it. Not sure what those on the BOE who more clearly didn't support the idea were worried about (who knows...adding a requirement close to election time?), but they clearly clung to the PG example (have to see how it goes there, first; we're less like Frederick) and the worry about electives, and that was the clear tenor of the presentation, even more so than the MCPS recommendation memo, itself.

I could support the requirement with a test out option.

or if they make it a 1 semester class and shorten health back to 1 semester so they stop adding these silly requirements that average students grasp without a class.

Again, the state of MD just mandated two semesters of Health.

too many silly requirements

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

That was a different poster (of course, who can tell on am anonymous board?); I'm the one who mentioned the population most in need is that least likely to pay attention to anything not required.

The point was that there was an opportunity to ensure financial literacy via a requirement, but one that could be met a variety of ways -- a class (Quantitative Literacy already exists and counts towards the 4-year Math requirement), a teat-out or well-defined extracurricular activites (some of which could also provide SSL hours towards graduation). This way, there would be no need to miss a desired elective (e.g., Drama), which was the overwhelming objection.

Even seeing that, though, either they didn't put the pieces together to figure it out (as O'Looney nearly was able to do on the fly during the meeting) or they failed to present that with any robustness that would allow the BOE to adopt it. Not sure what those on the BOE who more clearly didn't support the idea were worried about (who knows...adding a requirement close to election time?), but they clearly clung to the PG example (have to see how it goes there, first; we're less like Frederick) and the worry about electives, and that was the clear tenor of the presentation, even more so than the MCPS recommendation memo, itself.

I could support the requirement with a test out option.

or if they make it a 1 semester class and shorten health back to 1 semester so they stop adding these silly requirements that average students grasp without a class.

Again, the state of MD just mandated two semesters of Health.

Why not a semister of financial education?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students wants it, Parents wants Financial Literacy as a graduate requirements. Student rep on the board member also made a case for financial literacy at the meeting comparing to Frederick County Schools where it is a graduation requirements. But Someone at the meeting said due to demographic differences, they compare MCPS to PG county schools not Frederick county schools. It looks like they are driving MCPS on same disastrous path of PG county schools.

So, now demographics determine what kids learn at MCPS schools? Interesting.

Those who did not watch the meeting, spend your 15 minutes to watch that segment.

Parents want the kids to learn financial literacy but not an extra class required for graduation. In one of your prior posts, you mentioned the ones who need it the most are least likely to take it. Make it count as a math credit option so those who want to take it can. Seriously, don’t take away the limited electives the kids already have. Some want to take Chorus/ Drama for 4 years, some want to take shop, some want to take DP APs.

That was a different poster (of course, who can tell on am anonymous board?); I'm the one who mentioned the population most in need is that least likely to pay attention to anything not required.

The point was that there was an opportunity to ensure financial literacy via a requirement, but one that could be met a variety of ways -- a class (Quantitative Literacy already exists and counts towards the 4-year Math requirement), a teat-out or well-defined extracurricular activites (some of which could also provide SSL hours towards graduation). This way, there would be no need to miss a desired elective (e.g., Drama), which was the overwhelming objection.

Even seeing that, though, either they didn't put the pieces together to figure it out (as O'Looney nearly was able to do on the fly during the meeting) or they failed to present that with any robustness that would allow the BOE to adopt it. Not sure what those on the BOE who more clearly didn't support the idea were worried about (who knows...adding a requirement close to election time?), but they clearly clung to the PG example (have to see how it goes there, first; we're less like Frederick) and the worry about electives, and that was the clear tenor of the presentation, even more so than the MCPS recommendation memo, itself.

I could support the requirement with a test out option.

or if they make it a 1 semester class and shorten health back to 1 semester so they stop adding these silly requirements that average students grasp without a class.

Again, the state of MD just mandated two semesters of Health.

too many silly requirements

Start writing to your state legislator and the state Department of Education. Piling on extra Health and a lot of extra testing ...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Too many parents said their kids wanted room for other electives.

No, of over 12,000 students surveyed, only 36% wanted it to be a graduation requirement.

Because students know what's best, right? Didn't their survey regarding making up inclement weather days indicate that the majority of students didn't want to make them up?

Look, Pushy, if you want to make your kids take it, have at it. You can’t make anyone else’s kids do what you want the, to do. Cope.

[Anonymous]

I don't get all the fighting. In our 7th grade class this year, they had a few weeks of financial literacy. It was really nicely done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't get all the fighting. In our 7th grade class this year, they had a few weeks of financial literacy. It was really nicely done.

Great so they don’t need to ram in down our throats as a HS credit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get all the fighting. In our 7th grade class this year, they had a few weeks of financial literacy. It was really nicely done.

Great so they don’t need to ram in down our throats as a HS credit.

Given how many people struggle with their personal finances, I think it's part of well rounded education.

Call it math, make it a year long class, and let it count as one the required four years. It'd be so much more useful for some people than some advanced math classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't get all the fighting. In our 7th grade class this year, they had a few weeks of financial literacy. It was really nicely done.

Great so they don’t need to ram in down our throats as a HS credit.

Given how many people struggle with their personal finances, I think it's part of well rounded education.

Call it math, make it a year long class, and let it count as one the required four years. It'd be so much more useful for some people than some advanced math classes.

This already exists, and I agree more students should register for it. The class is called Quantitative Literacy, and it counts as a required math class. The board recommended that MCPS rename the class to something else like Financial Literacy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't get all the fighting. In our 7th grade class this year, they had a few weeks of financial literacy. It was really nicely done.

Great so they don’t need to ram in down our throats as a HS credit.

Given how many people struggle with their personal finances, I think it's part of well rounded education.

Call it math, make it a year long class, and let it count as one the required four years. It'd be so much more useful for some people than some advanced math classes.

This already exists, and I agree more students should register for it. The class is called Quantitative Literacy, and it counts as a required math class. The board recommended that MCPS rename the class to something else like Financial Literacy.

But they didn't make it required. A requirement to ensure financial literacy makes sense, and allowing that to be completed either by a class, by an extracurricular or by a test-out seems to check all the boxes of making sure students are prepared without necessarily filling up an elective slot or an advanced math slot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't get all the fighting. In our 7th grade class this year, they had a few weeks of financial literacy. It was really nicely done.

Great so they don’t need to ram in down our throats as a HS credit.

Given how many people struggle with their personal finances, I think it's part of well rounded education.

Call it math, make it a year long class, and let it count as one the required four years. It'd be so much more useful for some people than some advanced math classes.

This already exists, and I agree more students should register for it. The class is called Quantitative Literacy, and it counts as a required math class. The board recommended that MCPS rename the class to something else like Financial Literacy.

But they didn't make it required. A requirement to ensure financial literacy makes sense, and allowing that to be completed either by a class, by an extracurricular or by a test-out seems to check all the boxes of making sure students are prepared without necessarily filling up an elective slot or an advanced math slot.

Just stop. It didn’t pass.