Belief in God in U.S. Dips to 81%, a New Low

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter if it’s zero percent. Secular liberals will continue to live off the borrowed moral capital of centuries of Judeo-Christian ethics and morality.

It’s possible to have morality without religion. Further, there are numerous examples of atrocities committed based on religious beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter if it’s zero percent. Secular liberals will continue to live off the borrowed moral capital of centuries of Judeo-Christian ethics and morality.

Hearty agreement.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

You aren’t arguing in good faith—it isn’t limited to memes. Buh buy, troll.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

You aren’t arguing in good faith—it isn’t limited to memes. Buh buy, troll.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:While I don’t care whether or not anyone believes in God, I think a belief in the sacred and the divine leads to more openness, humility, and gentle curiosity in the world than not. A wholehearted belief in science is not better, it’s just more valued in a society that lionizes masculine qualities and characteristics and maligns feminine qualities and characteristics.

I’ve long thought the same, pp. Religious belief often leads to humility about our place in the world and our relationships with others. It can also lead to a lifetime of study and openness to challenging ideas.

Wow, I have such an opposite view of this that I actually did laugh out loud to myself when reading your comment. The more religious someone in my wider family circle is, the less open and the more arrogant they seem to be. Truly, some of them think they are one of God's chosen ones who can do no wrong and don't have to listen to anyone else. They are completely closed off to any ideas other than their own. But these people are all Christians. Perhaps people from other religions might not be so afflicted.

I think American Christianity in its current popular iteration is nothing more than thinly veiled white supremacist zealotry. I do not consider it to be even remotely representative of true faith (I am pp of the first post of this subthread). I can only speak for myself, but I am a lifelong seeker: starting in around 6th grade I studied the world religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism) as well as “new age” belief systems. I was agnostic and an atheist for most of my teens and twenties. Now, at 36, I have adopted a belief system that’s little practiced and is very private to me - no one would know I am religious at all. I am intensely curious about and intrigued by our universe and am deeply humbled to have been given the opportunity to live as a human in the western world in 2022. It is a miracle for life to exist at all. I am in awe. I am touched by beauty. I am devastated by violence. All of this springs from a faith in the unseen, in the unseeable. To have faith or not is personal and different for everyone. But I find my life and my journey to be immeasurably enriched by my faith and I wish this richness for others.

It saddens me deeply that, in liberal circles generally, any demonstration of faith is seen almost as an embarrassment. I know. I grew up in DC where religion is very perfunctory or performative, and any emotion or passion regarding as much is out of the question. Most of my friends are atheists or too apathetic to have any opinion at all. I think this is a loss for my friends individually and for society as a whole (I would never say these things out loud, by the way - I know I’ll be judged!). I understand why people don’t have faith and I also understand many of our mainstream religious institutions are unforgivably hypocritical and dishonest). I would love to see a truly inter-faith society, in which those of all belief systems (including those that make no mention of god/the divine) are encouraged to participate in the public discourse on what it means to be alive on earth. Because that’s what everyone is trying to figure out, one way or another.

I, too, "grew up in DC", as did my parents. You don't seem to realize that you're making a wildly inaccurate -- or, at least, wildly limited false generalization. I've been to many religious services of various kinds. I would not describe ANY of them as "very perfunctory or performative (where) any emotion or passion regarding as much (sic) is out of the question." I'm gonna make an assumption here...., No, let me, instead, ask a question: How many of the experiences that you're boldly generalizing from included Black or even racially integrated congregations? If your answer is somewhere in the neighborhood of :"None", then you're neither as "intensely curious" nor as "deeply humbled" as you view yourself to be. If your answer is: "LOTS", then I'd sure like to know which congregations and religious services you're familiar with.

Simply put, your own experiences are very different from my own. And my friend and acquaintance groups are very different from your own. None of my friends would be viewed as "too apathetic to have any opinion at all" -- and that includes the atheists, the white folks, and even the white atheist folks. I'm not trying to make generalizations from my own experiences though, but to offer a bit of balance to yours.

If you really want what you claim to want in your last paragraph, you might want to check out the Jazz Church. My guess is that it will immeasurably enrich you -- if you're open enough.


https://westminsterdc.org/jazz-%26-blues-1