Schools like UNC

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Students from all parts of the country love Wisconsin--it is very similar in terms of school spirit to UNC.

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Is UNC’s admit rate higher for in-state applicants?? I had no idea. Do they publish this? I can’t find it online.

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PP here, just found it

https://admissionslawsuit.unc.edu/about/admissions/

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University of Washington - Seattle
Florida state
Auburn
U tenn Knoxville
Florida Atlantic
U of Arkansas

A wide range but this is what comes to mind, not sure if it is the weather or the atmosphere of a large state school or being at a high research institution.

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Anonymous wrote:Her gpa at end of senior year won’t matter. If you do ED they’re looking at grades end of junior year plus courses in progress. Similar with RD but first semester senior grades are complete.

Yes, but when you view the median GPA at SHEV or Naviance, those are senior year grades. As a prior poster pointed out, your GPA jumps a lot junior and senior year if you take a lot of APs. Also Naviance matters more than anything for the individual student. The average admitted GPA for my kid’s HS, for example, is 4.1 because it’s a private school without a lot of AP options.

But for Langley it’s a 4.47. You have to compare against the top gpa possible at your high schoolZ the college counselor should help. Naviance will help. OP also needs to ask high school counselor if they will be checking the most rigorous box. That’s a necessity for UVA and OP’s kid should be in the top 6 percent of their class. Also OP’s daughter shouldn’t ho TO unless hooked. TO only favors the hooked

Yes, that’s why I said you need to look at Naviance. GPA varies from school to school. Also Dean J says repeatedly to stop looking at the GPA in isolation because, as you noted, it’s the rigor on the courses that matter.

TO does not favor those who are hooked. UVA is very explicit, verbally in their admission seminars, and in writing, that students do not need to submit scores, and tells kids not to take the SAT or submit a score if they do not want to do so. If schools lie about this they will end up being sued and they know that (per an actual counsel at UVA). Plus the existence of TO is leading to inflated SAT stats. If you want to see the real SAT averages for a school, go back to 2019. That’s what they will look like if school removed the test optional option.

If UVA did not want applicants to take the SAT, then they would be test blind. They are not. The common data set says such scores are considered. So if other factors (grades, ECs, etc.) being more or less equal (and no hooks), the applicant with a good SAT score will beat out the TO applicant.

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Anonymous wrote:Is UNC’s admit rate higher for in-state applicants?? I had no idea. Do they publish this? I can’t find it online.

Way higher, it is around ten percent for out of state and that includes recruited athletes and legacies.

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Anonymous wrote:Clemson

Then your state flagship is UofSC not Clemson, what is wrong with those schools?

That was a different poster suggesting a school. That wasn’t OP.

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Anonymous wrote:Wisconsin Madison

Too Cold.

The kids don’t seem to care.

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Anonymous wrote:Wisconsin Madison

Too Cold.

The kids don’t seem to care.

The kids who apply there don't, obviously. But there are plenty of kids who avoid schools in places with harsh winters. Just like kids who enjoy winter outdoor activities avoid the South. Different strokes.

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Anonymous wrote:Wisconsin Madison

Too Cold.

Outerwear — coats, scarves, hats and warm boots permitted.

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My friend's son had UNC as first choice. The rest of his list was Clemson, U of SC, VT. He was waitlisted at UNC and VT and chose U of SC. Just finished a great first year there. He was given the option for an automatic transfer to UNC after completing first year somewhere else but decided to stay at U of SC (has a good merit award so the lower price tag vs. OOS UNC was definitely appealing).

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Anonymous wrote:Students from all parts of the country love Wisconsin--it is very similar in terms of school spirit to UNC.

But size and weather differ, and those two factors can be important to applicants. My DC at UVA looked closely at Chapel Hill and Madison. I liked UNC the best—less pretense, more normal (less competitive) vibe than DMV-dominated UVA. It was clear Madison, while a terrific school, is not comparable to UNC because of its size. Finding a schools in the 18,000 student range is VERY difficult. There aren’t many, if that’s the size your DC is looking for. For that matter, Austin is not comparable either. Too big. Too Texas. Very different from UNC but a great school.

I hear UVA’s rhetoric about test optional but not sure I believe it when it comes to DMV kids. And they won’t supply the data to evaluate if they are telling the truth. My impression is that they are using TO to round out within-VA geographic diversity and tap under-served groups. Maybe a handful of UMC DMV mids with something very special about them. But as a rule, it seems that they still want those high test scores from DMV applicants, and they need to be pretty stratospheric for the OOS (unhooked) applicants.

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The University of Kansas is definitely worth a look if your DD loves UNC-CH. #RockChalk

https://ku.edu/about-ku


https://admissions.ku.edu/afford/scholarships


https://ku.edu/student-life

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her gpa at end of senior year won’t matter. If you do ED they’re looking at grades end of junior year plus courses in progress. Similar with RD but first semester senior grades are complete.

Yes, but when you view the median GPA at SHEV or Naviance, those are senior year grades. As a prior poster pointed out, your GPA jumps a lot junior and senior year if you take a lot of APs. Also Naviance matters more than anything for the individual student. The average admitted GPA for my kid’s HS, for example, is 4.1 because it’s a private school without a lot of AP options.

But for Langley it’s a 4.47. You have to compare against the top gpa possible at your high schoolZ the college counselor should help. Naviance will help. OP also needs to ask high school counselor if they will be checking the most rigorous box. That’s a necessity for UVA and OP’s kid should be in the top 6 percent of their class. Also OP’s daughter shouldn’t ho TO unless hooked. TO only favors the hooked

Yes, that’s why I said you need to look at Naviance. GPA varies from school to school. Also Dean J says repeatedly to stop looking at the GPA in isolation because, as you noted, it’s the rigor on the courses that matter.

TO does not favor those who are hooked. UVA is very explicit, verbally in their admission seminars, and in writing, that students do not need to submit scores, and tells kids not to take the SAT or submit a score if they do not want to do so. If schools lie about this they will end up being sued and they know that (per an actual counsel at UVA). Plus the existence of TO is leading to inflated SAT stats. If you want to see the real SAT averages for a school, go back to 2019. That’s what they will look like if school removed the test optional option.

If UVA did not want applicants to take the SAT, then they would be test blind. They are not. The common data set says such scores are considered. So if other factors (grades, ECs, etc.) being more or less equal (and no hooks), the applicant with a good SAT score will beat out the TO applicant.

+1. This. Go look at the results of Ed, RA and RD both here and at College Confidential. It’s quite clear that those students getting in TO are otherwise hooked. Also Reddit.

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Anonymous wrote:Students from all parts of the country love Wisconsin--it is very similar in terms of school spirit to UNC.

But size and weather differ, and those two factors can be important to applicants. My DC at UVA looked closely at Chapel Hill and Madison. I liked UNC the best—less pretense, more normal (less competitive) vibe than DMV-dominated UVA. It was clear Madison, while a terrific school, is not comparable to UNC because of its size. Finding a schools in the 18,000 student range is VERY difficult. There aren’t many, if that’s the size your DC is looking for. For that matter, Austin is not comparable either. Too big. Too Texas. Very different from UNC but a great school.

I hear UVA’s rhetoric about test optional but not sure I believe it when it comes to DMV kids. And they won’t supply the data to evaluate if they are telling the truth. My impression is that they are using TO to round out within-VA geographic diversity and tap under-served groups. Maybe a handful of UMC DMV mids with something very special about them. But as a rule, it seems that they still want those high test scores from DMV applicants, and they need to be pretty stratospheric for the OOS (unhooked) applicants.

I think you nailed it regarding UVA. And good points about the differences in the universities you mentioned.