APS- so many teachers leaving

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Anonymous wrote:Pay more
Shrink class sizes
Stop allowing inclusion

WUT? In violation of federal law?

DP here, but I think it's pretty crazy that we expect teachers to handle such a broad range of abilities in one room, and that its become normal to empty a classroom because there is a child having a meltdown throwing things, who is a danger to themselves and others. We've burdened our teachers with too much.

We've burdened our teachers with parents like those on DCUM. That's what we've done. Instead of throwing out a bunch of bullsh8T suggestions based on what YOU as PARENTS want, if you want to make things better for teachers try asking TEACHERS what they want.

If I were an APS teacher with know-it-all parents like they have to deal with, not only would I quit -- I'd jump out the friggin window!!

Somebody needs a yoga class! It sounds like PP was being empathetic to teachers, not being a know it all! What has you so triggered?

Because it's obvious to me that that poster is arguing against "inclusion" because SHE doesn't want it in her kid's classroom, and I have no doubt that she's never spoken about the issue with any teacher. I really doubt that teachers are leaving APS in droves in protest over the system's "inclusion" policies. Cut me a break.

DP. It's usually poor form to call out other kids as being disruptive balls of fury who are harmful to the learning environment. It doesn't mean that some kids aren't a real problem for both the teachers and parents.

Except we're supposed to be talking about teachers. Not parents. So, alleged DP, I will ask again: how many teachers have you spoken to who have suggested that this is a major factor in their decision to leave APS?

I'm waiting.

No, I haven't talked to my kid's teacher about the child in the class who takes his shirt off each day and then throws things around the room. In third grade. You don't think that kind of daily experience would factor in to someone leaving a job? Why wouldn't it?

Thanks for making crystal clear that YOU have a major problem with inclusion and that you are projecting your views on to the teacher without having actually spoken to her. You've made my point.

Also, does that kid plan on staying in third grade with the same teacher next year? Didn't think so. So I somehow doubt he's the cause of her leaving the system.

But it does play a part, there are kids like this each year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pay more
Shrink class sizes
Stop allowing inclusion

WUT? In violation of federal law?

DP here, but I think it's pretty crazy that we expect teachers to handle such a broad range of abilities in one room, and that its become normal to empty a classroom because there is a child having a meltdown throwing things, who is a danger to themselves and others. We've burdened our teachers with too much.

We've burdened our teachers with parents like those on DCUM. That's what we've done. Instead of throwing out a bunch of bullsh8T suggestions based on what YOU as PARENTS want, if you want to make things better for teachers try asking TEACHERS what they want.

If I were an APS teacher with know-it-all parents like they have to deal with, not only would I quit -- I'd jump out the friggin window!!

Somebody needs a yoga class! It sounds like PP was being empathetic to teachers, not being a know it all! What has you so triggered?

Because it's obvious to me that that poster is arguing against "inclusion" because SHE doesn't want it in her kid's classroom, and I have no doubt that she's never spoken about the issue with any teacher. I really doubt that teachers are leaving APS in droves in protest over the system's "inclusion" policies. Cut me a break.

DP. It's usually poor form to call out other kids as being disruptive balls of fury who are harmful to the learning environment. It doesn't mean that some kids aren't a real problem for both the teachers and parents.

Except we're supposed to be talking about teachers. Not parents. So, alleged DP, I will ask again: how many teachers have you spoken to who have suggested that this is a major factor in their decision to leave APS?

I'm waiting.

No, I haven't talked to my kid's teacher about the child in the class who takes his shirt off each day and then throws things around the room. In third grade. You don't think that kind of daily experience would factor in to someone leaving a job? Why wouldn't it?

Thanks for making crystal clear that YOU have a major problem with inclusion and that you are projecting your views on to the teacher without having actually spoken to her. You've made my point.

Also, does that kid plan on staying in third grade with the same teacher next year? Didn't think so. So I somehow doubt he's the cause of her leaving the system.

But it does play a part, there are kids like this each year.

It’s also easy to look down the hall and see who is coming your way

[Anonymous]

I hope the teachers who didn't want to work in person in the fall 2020 are leaving. Schools were safely open in Europe, public and private schools were safely open in red areas, and private schools were safely open in deep blue areas, including NOVA. They didn't care one bit about the kids, especially the underprivileged kids who were hurt the most. Go find another profession.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope the teachers who didn't want to work in person in the fall 2020 are leaving. Schools were safely open in Europe, public and private schools were safely open in red areas, and private schools were safely open in deep blue areas, including NOVA. They didn't care one bit about the kids, especially the underprivileged kids who were hurt the most. Go find another profession.

Someone already made this stupid comment earlier in the thread. Guess what? Vacancies are very high. Good luck with your series of long-term subs next year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope the teachers who didn't want to work in person in the fall 2020 are leaving. Schools were safely open in Europe, public and private schools were safely open in red areas, and private schools were safely open in deep blue areas, including NOVA. They didn't care one bit about the kids, especially the underprivileged kids who were hurt the most. Go find another profession.

Do you work in middle management you have that stink all over you

[Anonymous]

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I hope the teachers who didn't want to work in person in the fall 2020 are leaving. Schools were safely open in Europe, public and private schools were safely open in red areas, and private schools were safely open in deep blue areas, including NOVA. They didn't care one bit about the kids, especially the underprivileged kids who were hurt the most. Go find another profession.

You mean the ones with health conditions and/or children or elderly parents with health conditions? You feel that they should put other people's families ahead of theirs? I suppose that's what you would have done....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good for them. I hope they find happiness

+1

I hate to see good teachers go, but no one should be subject to the abuses of the last few years.

If any of them are the teachers who refused to work in Fall 2020 (while their private school and non-blue area counterparts went to school just fine), then see you later. They owe children an apology too for how awfully they treated them.

and we wonder why they are leaving instead of continuing to take this kind of abuse

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope the teachers who didn't want to work in person in the fall 2020 are leaving. Schools were safely open in Europe, public and private schools were safely open in red areas, and private schools were safely open in deep blue areas, including NOVA. They didn't care one bit about the kids, especially the underprivileged kids who were hurt the most. Go find another profession.

I’m sorry that I put my family first in trying to protect my highly immunocompromised (on chemo) partner by seeking (and receiving) an ADA exemption from returning in-person during fall 2020. I definitely should have put them at risk so that your child could get out of your hair.
-a teacher

[Anonymous]

So many of these parents who are bashing teachers for not wanting to go back in right away are STILL working from their own homes!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope the teachers who didn't want to work in person in the fall 2020 are leaving. Schools were safely open in Europe, public and private schools were safely open in red areas, and private schools were safely open in deep blue areas, including NOVA. They didn't care one bit about the kids, especially the underprivileged kids who were hurt the most. Go find another profession.

I absolutely refused to work in-person Fall 2020. I made the best choice for my family then and I would do it again in a heartbeat. My family's health and well-being is more important to me than your child. If you can't understand that then there is something wrong with you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the teachers who didn't want to work in person in the fall 2020 are leaving. Schools were safely open in Europe, public and private schools were safely open in red areas, and private schools were safely open in deep blue areas, including NOVA. They didn't care one bit about the kids, especially the underprivileged kids who were hurt the most. Go find another profession.

I’m sorry that I put my family first in trying to protect my highly immunocompromised (on chemo) partner by seeking (and receiving) an ADA exemption from returning in-person during fall 2020. I definitely should have put them at risk so that your child could get out of your hair.
-a teacher

Teacher,

You don't need to provide a reason. Most people would have made the same choice you did. Ignore the troll. You did the right thing and you don't need to defend your choice.

Parent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope the teachers who didn't want to work in person in the fall 2020 are leaving. Schools were safely open in Europe, public and private schools were safely open in red areas, and private schools were safely open in deep blue areas, including NOVA. They didn't care one bit about the kids, especially the underprivileged kids who were hurt the most. Go find another profession.

One of my favorite tropes from the era of virtual learning making a comeback:

Using underprivileged kids as a pawn for your disagreement for how schools were managed despite never caring about them before

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the teachers who didn't want to work in person in the fall 2020 are leaving. Schools were safely open in Europe, public and private schools were safely open in red areas, and private schools were safely open in deep blue areas, including NOVA. They didn't care one bit about the kids, especially the underprivileged kids who were hurt the most. Go find another profession.

One of my favorite tropes from the era of virtual learning making a comeback:

Using underprivileged kids as a pawn for your disagreement for how schools were managed despite never caring about them before

Or without looking at data that showed those same kids were more likely to stay virtual for the remainder of the year

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the teachers who didn't want to work in person in the fall 2020 are leaving. Schools were safely open in Europe, public and private schools were safely open in red areas, and private schools were safely open in deep blue areas, including NOVA. They didn't care one bit about the kids, especially the underprivileged kids who were hurt the most. Go find another profession.

One of my favorite tropes from the era of virtual learning making a comeback:

Using underprivileged kids as a pawn for your disagreement for how schools were managed despite never caring about them before

Or without looking at data that showed those same kids were more likely to stay virtual for the remainder of the year

This is because the return to school was a logistical cluster. 2 days on, mid afternoon pick ups, standing in line waiting to get checked etc. when school went back to normal in the fall of 2021 and virtual was offered to anyone, very few took it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the teachers who didn't want to work in person in the fall 2020 are leaving. Schools were safely open in Europe, public and private schools were safely open in red areas, and private schools were safely open in deep blue areas, including NOVA. They didn't care one bit about the kids, especially the underprivileged kids who were hurt the most. Go find another profession.

I’m sorry that I put my family first in trying to protect my highly immunocompromised (on chemo) partner by seeking (and receiving) an ADA exemption from returning in-person during fall 2020. I definitely should have put them at risk so that your child could get out of your hair.
-a teacher

Teacher,

You don't need to provide a reason. Most people would have made the same choice you did. Ignore the troll. You did the right thing and you don't need to defend your choice.

Parent

Many people didn’t have that choice. Right or wrong. ADA is not any kind of guarantee. The employer needs to make reasonable accommodations and if they can’t, you lose your job. Schools in some places decided it was reasonable to let workers do their jobs from home. And we all know public schools were not going to go out of business making that decision.

Do we need to go through the professions where people had no choice and kept going to work if they wanted a paycheck. So many.

I don’t have a particular problem with what went down and I’m glad teachers were safe and their families too. But I do think teachers need to recognize how lucky they were to keep jobs and not have to endanger themselves at all when many workers didn’t have that option. This path was not an entitlement it was a gift and lots of teachers in other parts of the country didn’t get that gift.