APS- so many teachers leaving

[Anonymous]

Teaching has particularly been awful the past two years, and we realized most parents don't care if we get sick and die. It's time for a new career, and is not specific to APS.

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Anonymous wrote:Pay more
Shrink class sizes
Stop allowing inclusion

WUT? In violation of federal law?

DP here, but I think it's pretty crazy that we expect teachers to handle such a broad range of abilities in one room, and that its become normal to empty a classroom because there is a child having a meltdown throwing things, who is a danger to themselves and others. We've burdened our teachers with too much.

We've burdened our teachers with parents like those on DCUM. That's what we've done. Instead of throwing out a bunch of bullsh8T suggestions based on what YOU as PARENTS want, if you want to make things better for teachers try asking TEACHERS what they want.

If I were an APS teacher with know-it-all parents like they have to deal with, not only would I quit -- I'd jump out the friggin window!!

Somebody needs a yoga class! It sounds like PP was being empathetic to teachers, not being a know it all! What has you so triggered?

Because it's obvious to me that that poster is arguing against "inclusion" because SHE doesn't want it in her kid's classroom, and I have no doubt that she's never spoken about the issue with any teacher. I really doubt that teachers are leaving APS in droves in protest over the system's "inclusion" policies. Cut me a break.

DP. It's usually poor form to call out other kids as being disruptive balls of fury who are harmful to the learning environment. It doesn't mean that some kids aren't a real problem for both the teachers and parents.

Except we're supposed to be talking about teachers. Not parents. So, alleged DP, I will ask again: how many teachers have you spoken to who have suggested that this is a major factor in their decision to leave APS?

I'm waiting.

No, I haven't talked to my kid's teacher about the child in the class who takes his shirt off each day and then throws things around the room. In third grade. You don't think that kind of daily experience would factor in to someone leaving a job? Why wouldn't it?

I'm sure that's better than some of the nasty parents they have to deal with. The screaming and cursing they endured from parents *during class*.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good for them. I hope they find happiness

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I hate to see good teachers go, but no one should be subject to the abuses of the last few years.

If any of them are the teachers who refused to work in Fall 2020 (while their private school and non-blue area counterparts went to school just fine), then see you later. They owe children an apology too for how awfully they treated them.

This is why teachers are leaving. People like this are driving them out. It was always a profession that didn’t pay enough and wasn’t given enough respect. But COVID sealed the deal. I hope this poster’s children are in elementary school so that they can experience how bad schools can be when parents tear down educators and demoralize the school community. Reap what you sow!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pay more
Shrink class sizes
Stop allowing inclusion

WUT? In violation of federal law?

DP here, but I think it's pretty crazy that we expect teachers to handle such a broad range of abilities in one room, and that its become normal to empty a classroom because there is a child having a meltdown throwing things, who is a danger to themselves and others. We've burdened our teachers with too much.

I saw something that said that a teacher would prefer another special education/resource specialist to a 10K raise. So I think this issue is actually one we can solve without avoiding inclusion (whatever that means).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teaching has particularly been awful the past two years, and we realized most parents don't care if we get sick and die. It's time for a new career, and is not specific to APS.

Stop with the hyperbole. Lots of people had to work in person. They wore masks and got vaccinated when doses became available.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Teaching has particularly been awful the past two years, and we realized most parents don't care if we get sick and die. It's time for a new career, and is not specific to APS.

Stop with the hyperbole. Lots of people had to work in person.

Yeah! America hates all workers!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah ok, so many people are quitting jobs but that's not a reason not to have a discussion about how to improve things at APS.

We have a big problem. Veteran teachers quitting. New teachers quitting after 4 months. Subs refusing to work at certain schools. Parents harassing and berating teachers.

Here are a few things that may help - I am sure the list is endless!

- Provide young/new teachers with the support from administration with regard to discipline
- Consistent discipline/class structure across grades and schools
- Engage parents of misbehaving children ASAP. Most of us want to know and help
- Drastically reduce iPad time. Many kids are on YouTube once they finish assignments. Yes, they know secret sites to get to even in elementary school

This is a classic response. Not one suggestion relating to parents!

Don't you get it? It's not the students or the administrators the teachers are having a problem with. It's YOU.

You don't think a single one of those suggestions would help improve the classroom? There is no golden ticket for a solution. It has to be multi-layered.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good for them. I hope they find happiness

+1

I hate to see good teachers go, but no one should be subject to the abuses of the last few years.

If any of them are the teachers who refused to work in Fall 2020 (while their private school and non-blue area counterparts went to school just fine), then see you later. They owe children an apology too for how awfully they treated them.

They didn’t “refuse to work,” but then, you already knew that. You’re not getting an apology and neither are your kids. Grow up. Enjoy your series of rotating unqualified subs and “combined” massive classes where nothing is taught.

[Anonymous]

Not a teacher but I am outta there. I don't know what it's going to take for school districts to realize that they need to really start competing with the private sector on some features and benefits of their operations roles. Duran, John Mayo, etc are completely stuck in the past.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a teacher but I am outta there. I don't know what it's going to take for school districts to realize that they need to really start competing with the private sector on some features and benefits of their operations roles. Duran, John Mayo, etc are completely stuck in the past.

It starts with voting in people at all levels who will expand social services and safety nets across the board instead of relying on public schools to be the main one for kids k-12

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pay more
Shrink class sizes
Stop allowing inclusion

WUT? In violation of federal law?

DP here, but I think it's pretty crazy that we expect teachers to handle such a broad range of abilities in one room, and that its become normal to empty a classroom because there is a child having a meltdown throwing things, who is a danger to themselves and others. We've burdened our teachers with too much.

We've burdened our teachers with parents like those on DCUM. That's what we've done. Instead of throwing out a bunch of bullsh8T suggestions based on what YOU as PARENTS want, if you want to make things better for teachers try asking TEACHERS what they want.

If I were an APS teacher with know-it-all parents like they have to deal with, not only would I quit -- I'd jump out the friggin window!!

Somebody needs a yoga class! It sounds like PP was being empathetic to teachers, not being a know it all! What has you so triggered?

Because it's obvious to me that that poster is arguing against "inclusion" because SHE doesn't want it in her kid's classroom, and I have no doubt that she's never spoken about the issue with any teacher. I really doubt that teachers are leaving APS in droves in protest over the system's "inclusion" policies. Cut me a break.

DP. It's usually poor form to call out other kids as being disruptive balls of fury who are harmful to the learning environment. It doesn't mean that some kids aren't a real problem for both the teachers and parents.

Except we're supposed to be talking about teachers. Not parents. So, alleged DP, I will ask again: how many teachers have you spoken to who have suggested that this is a major factor in their decision to leave APS?

I'm waiting.

No, I haven't talked to my kid's teacher about the child in the class who takes his shirt off each day and then throws things around the room. In third grade. You don't think that kind of daily experience would factor in to someone leaving a job? Why wouldn't it?

I'm sure that's better than some of the nasty parents they have to deal with. The screaming and cursing they endured from parents *during class*.

It's really not, but it's also not an either/or. It's often both.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pay more
Shrink class sizes
Stop allowing inclusion

WUT? In violation of federal law?

DP here, but I think it's pretty crazy that we expect teachers to handle such a broad range of abilities in one room, and that its become normal to empty a classroom because there is a child having a meltdown throwing things, who is a danger to themselves and others. We've burdened our teachers with too much.

We've burdened our teachers with parents like those on DCUM. That's what we've done. Instead of throwing out a bunch of bullsh8T suggestions based on what YOU as PARENTS want, if you want to make things better for teachers try asking TEACHERS what they want.

If I were an APS teacher with know-it-all parents like they have to deal with, not only would I quit -- I'd jump out the friggin window!!

Somebody needs a yoga class! It sounds like PP was being empathetic to teachers, not being a know it all! What has you so triggered?

Because it's obvious to me that that poster is arguing against "inclusion" because SHE doesn't want it in her kid's classroom, and I have no doubt that she's never spoken about the issue with any teacher. I really doubt that teachers are leaving APS in droves in protest over the system's "inclusion" policies. Cut me a break.

DP. It's usually poor form to call out other kids as being disruptive balls of fury who are harmful to the learning environment. It doesn't mean that some kids aren't a real problem for both the teachers and parents.

Except we're supposed to be talking about teachers. Not parents. So, alleged DP, I will ask again: how many teachers have you spoken to who have suggested that this is a major factor in their decision to leave APS?

I'm waiting.

No, I haven't talked to my kid's teacher about the child in the class who takes his shirt off each day and then throws things around the room. In third grade. You don't think that kind of daily experience would factor in to someone leaving a job? Why wouldn't it?

I'm sure that's better than some of the nasty parents they have to deal with. The screaming and cursing they endured from parents *during class*.

It's really not, but it's also not an either/or. It's often both.

A kid who is struggling is still a kid. Tough but teachers expect that to happen.

An adult who is lashing out at you in front of the whole class over teams? Totally unacceptable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pay more
Shrink class sizes
Stop allowing inclusion

WUT? In violation of federal law?

DP here, but I think it's pretty crazy that we expect teachers to handle such a broad range of abilities in one room, and that its become normal to empty a classroom because there is a child having a meltdown throwing things, who is a danger to themselves and others. We've burdened our teachers with too much.

We've burdened our teachers with parents like those on DCUM. That's what we've done. Instead of throwing out a bunch of bullsh8T suggestions based on what YOU as PARENTS want, if you want to make things better for teachers try asking TEACHERS what they want.

If I were an APS teacher with know-it-all parents like they have to deal with, not only would I quit -- I'd jump out the friggin window!!

Somebody needs a yoga class! It sounds like PP was being empathetic to teachers, not being a know it all! What has you so triggered?

Because it's obvious to me that that poster is arguing against "inclusion" because SHE doesn't want it in her kid's classroom, and I have no doubt that she's never spoken about the issue with any teacher. I really doubt that teachers are leaving APS in droves in protest over the system's "inclusion" policies. Cut me a break.

DP. It's usually poor form to call out other kids as being disruptive balls of fury who are harmful to the learning environment. It doesn't mean that some kids aren't a real problem for both the teachers and parents.

Except we're supposed to be talking about teachers. Not parents. So, alleged DP, I will ask again: how many teachers have you spoken to who have suggested that this is a major factor in their decision to leave APS?

I'm waiting.

No, I haven't talked to my kid's teacher about the child in the class who takes his shirt off each day and then throws things around the room. In third grade. You don't think that kind of daily experience would factor in to someone leaving a job? Why wouldn't it?

Thanks for making crystal clear that YOU have a major problem with inclusion and that you are projecting your views on to the teacher without having actually spoken to her. You've made my point.

Also, does that kid plan on staying in third grade with the same teacher next year? Didn't think so. So I somehow doubt he's the cause of her leaving the system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah ok, so many people are quitting jobs but that's not a reason not to have a discussion about how to improve things at APS.

We have a big problem. Veteran teachers quitting. New teachers quitting after 4 months. Subs refusing to work at certain schools. Parents harassing and berating teachers.

Here are a few things that may help - I am sure the list is endless!

- Provide young/new teachers with the support from administration with regard to discipline
- Consistent discipline/class structure across grades and schools
- Engage parents of misbehaving children ASAP. Most of us want to know and help
- Drastically reduce iPad time. Many kids are on YouTube once they finish assignments. Yes, they know secret sites to get to even in elementary school

This is a classic response. Not one suggestion relating to parents! Don't you get it? It's not the students or the administrators the teachers are having a problem with. It's YOU.

NP—Most parents I’ve worked with over the years have been very supportive. Student behavior issues this year are far more intense than anything I’ve dealt with. Attention issues and learning gaps are also way out of control after many students spent the last 1.5 years playing video games instead of participating in virtual learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah ok, so many people are quitting jobs but that's not a reason not to have a discussion about how to improve things at APS.

We have a big problem. Veteran teachers quitting. New teachers quitting after 4 months. Subs refusing to work at certain schools. Parents harassing and berating teachers.

Here are a few things that may help - I am sure the list is endless!

- Provide young/new teachers with the support from administration with regard to discipline
- Consistent discipline/class structure across grades and schools
- Engage parents of misbehaving children ASAP. Most of us want to know and help
- Drastically reduce iPad time. Many kids are on YouTube once they finish assignments. Yes, they know secret sites to get to even in elementary school

This is a classic response. Not one suggestion relating to parents! Don't you get it? It's not the students or the administrators the teachers are having a problem with. It's YOU.

NP—Most parents I’ve worked with over the years have been very supportive. Student behavior issues this year are far more intense than anything I’ve dealt with. Attention issues and learning gaps are also way out of control after many students spent the last 1.5 years playing video games instead of participating in virtual learning.

You realize, right, that virtual learning was a joke? Kids are behind and have gaps even if they participated in every bit of virtual learning. Tons of content either wasn't covered or was covered poorly. You can't blame the kids or parents for that, which it sounds like you do.