No matter how many times people say it, the phrase “good schools” will never not be racist/classist

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

Unless they mention race, they aren't talking about race. Stop assuming.

They sure are. Don't be disingenuous.

And if they are? What?

I'm quite sure people of all races want their kids to go to good schools. I've heard this from black as much as from white people.

Black people can't be racist though, so it's fine.

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

Unless they mention race, they aren't talking about race. Stop assuming.

They sure are. Don't be disingenuous.

And if they are? What?

I'm quite sure people of all races want their kids to go to good schools. I've heard this from black as much as from white people.

Black people can't be racist though, so it's fine.

Is that something that you've actually heard said by a critical mass of living, breathing black folks, beyond some talking head academic/activist types who are completely non-representative of black folks writ large?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so my black single mom co-worker put her kid in a charter. We’ve had several discussions about good schools. How is this racist?

Well, charter schools perpetuate racism. Glad having a black friend made you feel better about your calculating attitudes, though.

I wrote that she’s a coworker, not a friend. I have no idea what a calculating attitude is.

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

Unless they mention race, they aren't talking about race. Stop assuming.

They sure are. Don't be disingenuous.

And if they are? What?

I'm quite sure people of all races want their kids to go to good schools. I've heard this from black as much as from white people.

Black people can't be racist though, so it's fine.

Is that something that you've actually heard said by a critical mass of living, breathing black folks, beyond some talking head academic/activist types who are completely non-representative of black folks writ large?

DP. That's what a critical mass of living, breathing white folks say. Why would black folks disagree with that?

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

Unless they mention race, they aren't talking about race. Stop assuming.

They sure are. Don't be disingenuous.

You actually have no way to know. So stop accusing

Look, this is a DC area based board, there aren't very many poor white people in this area. Most of the poor people in DC are black or hispanic so yes high poverty failing schools are generally full of black and brown kids and almost no white/asian kids.

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Agree.

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

Unless they mention race, they aren't talking about race. Stop assuming.

They sure are. Don't be disingenuous.

You actually have no way to know. So stop accusing

Look, this is a DC area based board, there aren't very many poor white people in this area. Most of the poor people in DC are black or hispanic so yes high poverty failing schools are generally full of black and brown kids and almost no white/asian kids.

You need to get out of your DC bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to acknowledge stereotype threat and that standardized tests are culturally biased. Additionally, public school needs are seen as “products” that need to “deliver results.”

Biased towards whom? Asians?

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

Unless they mention race, they aren't talking about race. Stop assuming.

They sure are. Don't be disingenuous.

And if they are? What?

I'm quite sure people of all races want their kids to go to good schools. I've heard this from black as much as from white people.

Black people can't be racist though, so it's fine.

Is that something that you've actually heard said by a critical mass of living, breathing black folks, beyond some talking head academic/activist types who are completely non-representative of black folks writ large?

It is simply a well-established fact.

Ask anyone in academia. Read the peer-reviewed scientific research published to date.

It is beyond question.

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Anonymous wrote:Classist, sure. Racist, nah. There are plenty of terrible schools that are all white. But class and valuing education are closely intertwined and it's not surprising that you'd see a correlation in schools.

I went to school with a bunch of low class white kids who sneered at "book learning."

Agree. Good school/bad school is in other words saying high income/low income student majority. It isn’t about race but about socioeconomic status. Poor white school districts are terrible too.

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This is an SES thing NOT a race thing. Yes race is correlated with SES but the reason people are avoiding certain schools is not because of skin color. It is due to the reality that poor kids and non-English speaking kids sap the teacher’s time because their needs are so much higher typically/on average than MC English speaking kids. With schools having moved away from tracking this is a big deal

People use white as a proxy for high SES here all the time, because schools report racial demographics and not income demographics.

Fair point but that does not change the fact that what people really are concerned about is the poverty and English language gap problems. The fact that those kids happen to be black and Hispanic mostly is not why parents are trying to avoid those schools. The fact that the kids are poor and can’t speak English is.

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

Unless they mention race, they aren't talking about race. Stop assuming.

They sure are. Don't be disingenuous.

You actually have no way to know. So stop accusing

Look, this is a DC area based board, there aren't very many poor white people in this area. Most of the poor people in DC are black or hispanic so yes high poverty failing schools are generally full of black and brown kids and almost no white/asian kids.

You need to get out of your DC bubble.

why are you on DC urban moms and dads...

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

Unless they mention race, they aren't talking about race. Stop assuming.

They sure are. Don't be disingenuous.

You actually have no way to know. So stop accusing

Look, this is a DC area based board, there aren't very many poor white people in this area. Most of the poor people in DC are black or hispanic so yes high poverty failing schools are generally full of black and brown kids and almost no white/asian kids.

You need to get out of your DC bubble.

why are you on DC urban moms and dads...

Why is your view of the world so limited?

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Well it’s too long to say I want schools where kids are intellectually curios beyond their day to day life and know how to behave, and retain knowledge. And where the teachers aren’t disciplining all day long.

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It's true. There are no bad schools. Only bad students

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Anonymous wrote:Well it’s too long to say I want schools where kids are intellectually curios beyond their day to day life and know how to behave, and retain knowledge. And where the teachers aren’t disciplining all day long.

Yes to this