No matter how many times people say it, the phrase “good schools” will never not be racist/classist

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

Unless they mention race, they aren't talking about race. Stop assuming.

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

Unless they mention race, they aren't talking about race. Stop assuming.

They sure are. Don't be disingenuous.

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

Unless they mention race, they aren't talking about race. Stop assuming.

They sure are. Don't be disingenuous.

You actually have no way to know. So stop accusing

[Anonymous]

Race obsessed people. Race this, race that. My vacuum is racist, a summer breeze is racist, the chime on my alarm clock is racist.

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

Unless they mention race, they aren't talking about race. Stop assuming.

They sure are. Don't be disingenuous.

And if they are? What?

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

Unless they mention race, they aren't talking about race. Stop assuming.

They sure are. Don't be disingenuous.

And if they are? What?

I'm quite sure people of all races want their kids to go to good schools. I've heard this from black as much as from white people.

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

They are. Every time someone mentions a "failing school" or "high poverty" school, maybe you assume they mean a high minority school. That is on you. There are plenty of poor and failing school all over the US filled with white kids and no one has said otherwise. But same principles apply as to why anyone of any color would not what to send their child there.

It's not just on PP. I've seen people accused of being racist for talking about high poverty schools and failing schools; accused of using coded language and that they're really talking about minorities.

They usually are talking about minorities, though.

Unless they mention race, they aren't talking about race. Stop assuming.

They sure are. Don't be disingenuous.

They can talk about whatever they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is why are majority white failing schools never discussed? There are plenty of majority white schools that are failing. They exist all over the nation especially the south.

It’s odd that people think majority white schools is equivalent to a great school.

Also, many of the threads imply the average white family can afford to spend 30k+ a year on private school. The average American regardless of skin color cannot afford private school.

Why pick on the south? There are majority white schools that are failing in the DMV. Just because US News & World Report gives a school a high ranking doesn’t mean it’s a good school.

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Anonymous wrote:Classist, sure. Racist, nah. There are plenty of terrible schools that are all white. But class and valuing education are closely intertwined and it's not surprising that you'd see a correlation in schools.

I went to school with a bunch of low class white kids who sneered at "book learning."

Agree. Good school/bad school is in other words saying high income/low income student majority. It isn’t about race but about socioeconomic status. Poor white school districts are terrible too.

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This is an SES thing NOT a race thing. Yes race is correlated with SES but the reason people are avoiding certain schools is not because of skin color. It is due to the reality that poor kids and non-English speaking kids sap the teacher’s time because their needs are so much higher typically/on average than MC English speaking kids. With schools having moved away from tracking this is a big deal

People use white as a proxy for high SES here all the time, because schools report racial demographics and not income demographics.

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Anonymous wrote:Classist, sure. Racist, nah. There are plenty of terrible schools that are all white. But class and valuing education are closely intertwined and it's not surprising that you'd see a correlation in schools.

I went to school with a bunch of low class white kids who sneered at "book learning."

Agree. Good school/bad school is in other words saying high income/low income student majority. It isn’t about race but about socioeconomic status. Poor white school districts are terrible too.

+100!!!
This is an SES thing NOT a race thing. Yes race is correlated with SES but the reason people are avoiding certain schools is not because of skin color. It is due to the reality that poor kids and non-English speaking kids sap the teacher’s time because their needs are so much higher typically/on average than MC English speaking kids. With schools having moved away from tracking this is a big deal

People use white as a proxy for high SES here all the time, because schools report racial demographics and not income demographics.

+1. You can’t use “Asians” because the schools don’t report if they are majority rich Asians, or majority poor Asians. Since all the whites around here are well-off, it works.

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Anonymous wrote:Classist, sure. Racist, nah. There are plenty of terrible schools that are all white. But class and valuing education are closely intertwined and it's not surprising that you'd see a correlation in schools.

I went to school with a bunch of low class white kids who sneered at "book learning."

Agree. Good school/bad school is in other words saying high income/low income student majority. It isn’t about race but about socioeconomic status. Poor white school districts are terrible too.

+100!!!
This is an SES thing NOT a race thing. Yes race is correlated with SES but the reason people are avoiding certain schools is not because of skin color. It is due to the reality that poor kids and non-English speaking kids sap the teacher’s time because their needs are so much higher typically/on average than MC English speaking kids. With schools having moved away from tracking this is a big deal

People use white as a proxy for high SES here all the time, because schools report racial demographics and not income demographics.

+1. You can’t use “Asians” because the schools don’t report if they are majority rich Asians, or majority poor Asians. Since all the whites around here are well-off, it works.

Here= DMV. Not everywhere in the US

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher and longtime public school parent and I absolutely agree “good schools” is a loaded term. We have a racial test score gap everywhere in this country. So while it would be taboo to say “I want a school without black and Hispanic students,” it is perfectly acceptable in polite society to say “I only want a school with the top scores,” which gets you the same segregated outcome. Parents are literally afraid of black and Hispanic children and of low-income children of all colors because they perceive that they lower their own children’s prospects and also lower their home values when they’re in the same district. Frankly I find it morally wrong. I think we will look back in horror someday at how we chose housing prices based on how white a school was.

My own kids have gone to public schools rated 4-6 or so, and have had great experiences. Their education and their experiences have not had anything to do with those “rankings.”

Then you and the OP can enroll your children in the “schools without the top scores.” Put your money where your mouth is.

Yup, I just said that. Schools rated 4, 5, and 6.

Are they the kind of 4-6 that has a cohort of high scoring kids but the equity score brings down the end number?

Yes they are, which I believe is nearly always the case. Schools don’t rate 4 or 5 because absolutely every child scores at the average level. There are always students at the top.