are the STA college admits this year as dismal as they appear?

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a hard working white student from an upper middle class family at STA, you're screwed. Save your money and go to public.

Ha! This is us. Oh well!

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Anonymous wrote:The GDS are crazy good. I have no GDS connection at all (my youngest was just rejected there for 9th ). But their admits are easily the best I've seen this year.

But you have not seen lists for all their students for one. These are the only a percentage of the class. Secondly NCS had 4 ED to Columbia plus Brown and other Ivies plus so far all students I have heard of are into top 25 schools. Have also heard of great placement at STA.

The 4 to Columbia are all legacy (and big donor legacy at that) plus one crew recruit. The brown is crew.

Discussing kids this way on a public board is creepy. Have a little respect for these kids, they are not a proxy for whatever it is you are trying to measure.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m kind of annoyed by all the emphasis on college admission - it makes the high schools take primarily kids who will have the hooks (legacy, athletics)

What do you think they should emphasize, summer vacations?!? These are High school seniors.

I think they should emphasize academic and extracurricular achievement. Not just legacy and sports.

It’s not a zero sum game, the legacies also need great academics and extracurriculars/sports to get in. It’s gotten that competitive.

Legacies have a 33% chance of admission at Harvard vs 3% for general population. I doubt legacies are 11x more accomplished

This maybe true for the legacy population at large but not at places like STA. There are probably 20 kids in my kid's class who are legacy for Yale. twenty more for Harvard (some overlap) . And on and on. even more if you count law school, medical school, business school etc. it's absurd. Only a tiny, tiny handful of these kids will get in. (And of course, not all will even apply). But the numbers in some classes at these schools are absurd. You can't shake a hand at a parent's event without shaking a double Ivy of some variety. legacy only goes so far for admissions with this degree of over-saturation.

STA has 75 boys in a class. 20 boys with Harvard or Yale legacy in one class is a patently absurd claim

Umm, different poster and , no, its not absurd. Actually, its a fact.

This is Washington, after all. The city is a funnel for the whole country drawing the highly educated like a magnet. Heck, I bet not even at STA but just if you walk down any street in Columbia Heights or NOMA and just randomly ask people sitting in a coffee shop where they went to college you will yield a very high percentage of " I went to college in Boston" ( Meaning Harvard ) or Yale or Penn.

Getting a job in DC that brings you to washington isn't easy, after all.

Getting your kid into STA is 10 X harder than that so, yes, a walk around the parent gathering at STA is basically bumping into more Harvard law degrees anywhere outside of maybe SCOTUS

You and I have very different understandings of the meaning of 'fact'.

In the last 30 years, there have been 16,000 or so Harvard Law grads and 6,000 or so Yale law grads. Your statement defies belief if you just a simple calculation of x% live in DC (much lower than you think), x% of those are married, x% of those have children, x% of those children are boys, x% of those boys are sent to private school and x% of those are sent to STA. You're not getting, by any stretch of the imagination, a high percentage. The numbers just don't work.

Just think about the statement for a minute and you'll realize how preposterous it is. You're actually saying that two schools make up 20% of the parents at small boys school in Washington DC? I'd like some of what you're smoking.

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Anonymous wrote:The GDS are crazy good. I have no GDS connection at all (my youngest was just rejected there for 9th ). But their admits are easily the best I've seen this year.

But you have not seen lists for all their students for one. These are the only a percentage of the class. Secondly NCS had 4 ED to Columbia plus Brown and other Ivies plus so far all students I have heard of are into top 25 schools. Have also heard of great placement at STA.

The 4 to Columbia are all legacy (and big donor legacy at that) plus one crew recruit. The brown is crew.

Discussing kids this way on a public board is creepy. Have a little respect for these kids, they are not a proxy for whatever it is you are trying to measure.

It may be creepy to mention these schools in the first place but I replied because it REALLY irritates when parents walk out these results like they're AT ALL relevant to the school or where your kid might go if they attend NCS (or STA or Sidwell).
These kids could have attended any school on the planet and received the same results. It's like shaking Sidwell's hand for getting in the Obama girls to Harvard and Michigan (now USC).
Meanwhile, kids who are possibly academically deserving of top placements from STA/NCS are turned down by the top schools.

Anyway, moving on. Agree with previous poster. If you are white and upper middle class at STA/NCS your college results are bound to be pretty darn sad. Even if you're a legacy--because unless you're a BIG donor legacy your kid will be trumped. Look at this year's results (which I know aren't posted but most in the community have some idea of them).

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Anonymous wrote:The GDS are crazy good. I have no GDS connection at all (my youngest was just rejected there for 9th ). But their admits are easily the best I've seen this year.

But you have not seen lists for all their students for one. These are the only a percentage of the class. Secondly NCS had 4 ED to Columbia plus Brown and other Ivies plus so far all students I have heard of are into top 25 schools. Have also heard of great placement at STA.

The 4 to Columbia are all legacy (and big donor legacy at that) plus one crew recruit. The brown is crew.

Discussing kids this way on a public board is creepy. Have a little respect for these kids, they are not a proxy for whatever it is you are trying to measure.

It may be creepy to mention these schools in the first place but I replied because it REALLY irritates when parents walk out these results like they're AT ALL relevant to the school or where your kid might go if they attend NCS (or STA or Sidwell).
These kids could have attended any school on the planet and received the same results. It's like shaking Sidwell's hand for getting in the Obama girls to Harvard and Michigan (now USC).
Meanwhile, kids who are possibly academically deserving of top placements from STA/NCS are turned down by the top schools.

Anyway, moving on. Agree with previous poster. If you are white and upper middle class at STA/NCS your college results are bound to be pretty darn sad. Even if you're a legacy--because unless you're a BIG donor legacy your kid will be trumped. Look at this year's results (which I know aren't posted but most in the community have some idea of them).

this is self pitying tripe.

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it's true, not self pitying. what's wrong with you?

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Anonymous wrote:it's true, not self pitying. what's wrong with you?

How is it true?

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True that if you can't buy or schmooze your way in as white person, it's very difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:True that if you can't buy or schmooze your way in as white person, it's very difficult.

Getting into college is not difficult.

Getting into a college with a sub 10% admission rate is difficult for everyone[u].

that still doesn't address the specific claim that if you're at STA/NCS and white that your 'college results are bound to be pretty darn sad'. That's just BS and it is self-pitying.

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Not everyone honey.

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Anonymous wrote:Not everyone honey.

hey sweetie, i have news for you, it's hard to get in. it's take an incredible mix of arrogance and entitlement to think that getting rejected from a school with a 5% acceptance rate is because the process is rigged against you.

should we start writing folk songs about the injustices faced by white UMC boys who go to a private school costing $50K a year?

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Umm do people not realize that whether you go to a top 25 college or top 50 college it doesn’t matter?

I went to STA, did pretty well and wanted to have fun in college so went to a small private school down south. Screwed around, got good grades because I’m naturally smart and my wife and I made 1.2M last year at 35.

Who cares where you go to college. Most STA grads are naturally gifted and will perform in their careers regardless if they go to Maryland, Columbia or South Carolina.

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Anonymous wrote:True that if you can't buy or schmooze your way in as white person, it's very difficult.

Getting into college is not difficult.

Getting into a college with a sub 10% admission rate is difficult for everyone[u].

that still doesn't address the specific claim that if you're at STA/NCS and white that your 'college results are bound to be pretty darn sad'. That's just BS and it is self-pitying.

Not those in the top 10%.

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Anonymous wrote:Umm do people not realize that whether you go to a top 25 college or top 50 college it doesn’t matter?

I went to STA, did pretty well and wanted to have fun in college so went to a small private school down south. Screwed around, got good grades because I’m naturally smart and my wife and I made 1.2M last year at 35.

Who cares where you go to college. Most STA grads are naturally gifted and will perform in their careers regardless if they go to Maryland, Columbia or South Carolina.

It’s not all about money, pal.

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Anonymous wrote:Umm do people not realize that whether you go to a top 25 college or top 50 college it doesn’t matter?

I went to STA, did pretty well and wanted to have fun in college so went to a small private school down south. Screwed around, got good grades because I’m naturally smart and my wife and I made 1.2M last year at 35.

Who cares where you go to college. Most STA grads are naturally gifted and will perform in their careers regardless if they go to Maryland, Columbia or South Carolina.

You sound like an ass.