So are some daycares and preschools planning on masking forever then?

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Anonymous wrote:If this was that serious to you, you'd find an alternate childcare arrangement. Nanny, nanny share, family help, in-home daycare provider with looser restrictions. Stop complaining and solve the problem.

This comment is nonsensical. First of all, surely anyone with two brain cells to rub together realizes that not everyone has a ton of childcare options. Like if your options for childcare really are "nanny, nanny share, family help, in-home provider with looser restrictions, daycare," congratulations! You are incredibly privileged and well-resourced and life must be a lot easier for you than it is for the rest of us. Most of us have really limited childcare options. It's more like "daycare near my house or daycare near my work." Or "daycare I like and that we can barely afford, or daycare I feel not great about but that is in budget." That kind of thing.

But second, if you are fine with kids going to in-home daycares with looser restrictions, you are obviously not personally invested in masking young children as a Covid mitigation measure. A lot of people justify these masking requirements by arguing that kids are disease vectors and they have to mask to keep everyone else safe, since kids themselves don't seem to be particularly vulnerable to Covid. If you don't think this, you should support removing mask mandates for daycares and preschools, since it's apparently not a useful mitigation measure and it places a major burden on very young kids and their families.

So which is it? Are you just a tone deaf rich person or a hypocrite, or both?

Yes I am aware of the challenge of childcare and guess what - I figured it out! Without expecting childcare providers to put their health at risk or expecting other kids to sit around exposed to my child. maskless all day.

As to your second point, obviously parents that are hysterical on this point are not taking covid precautions at all so I really don't care what they do with their kids. Clearly their families aren't taking precautions so have at it.

You "figured it out" or you paid for the problem to go away? Does your child attend a daycare with a strict masking policy or not. Until you answer this question, everything else you says is suspect.

If your child doesn't mask all day, stfu as you don't get to tell others to deal with something you don't deal with.

Also, if your child doesn't mask all day, do you not care about the health and well being of the childcare workers being exposed to your child? Quelle horreur!

DP but I took a gigantic pay cut to move because of masking toddlers. Choices sometimes cost, yes. My children are worth it.

To PP’s point, there *are* options, just not the *ideal* options for you. We’re two years into the pandemic, DC and MOCO have shown their colors and at this point you’re the idiot if you think it’s going to change.

Really? That's bizarre, considering there are plenty of in-home daycares in MD and VA (not sure about DC) that don't require toddlers to mask. I would go that route first. Oh well.

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Anonymous wrote:If this was that serious to you, you'd find an alternate childcare arrangement. Nanny, nanny share, family help, in-home daycare provider with looser restrictions. Stop complaining and solve the problem.

This comment is nonsensical. First of all, surely anyone with two brain cells to rub together realizes that not everyone has a ton of childcare options. Like if your options for childcare really are "nanny, nanny share, family help, in-home provider with looser restrictions, daycare," congratulations! You are incredibly privileged and well-resourced and life must be a lot easier for you than it is for the rest of us. Most of us have really limited childcare options. It's more like "daycare near my house or daycare near my work." Or "daycare I like and that we can barely afford, or daycare I feel not great about but that is in budget." That kind of thing.

But second, if you are fine with kids going to in-home daycares with looser restrictions, you are obviously not personally invested in masking young children as a Covid mitigation measure. A lot of people justify these masking requirements by arguing that kids are disease vectors and they have to mask to keep everyone else safe, since kids themselves don't seem to be particularly vulnerable to Covid. If you don't think this, you should support removing mask mandates for daycares and preschools, since it's apparently not a useful mitigation measure and it places a major burden on very young kids and their families.

So which is it? Are you just a tone deaf rich person or a hypocrite, or both?

Yes I am aware of the challenge of childcare and guess what - I figured it out! Without expecting childcare providers to put their health at risk or expecting other kids to sit around exposed to my child. maskless all day.

As to your second point, obviously parents that are hysterical on this point are not taking covid precautions at all so I really don't care what they do with their kids. Clearly their families aren't taking precautions so have at it.

You "figured it out" or you paid for the problem to go away? Does your child attend a daycare with a strict masking policy or not. Until you answer this question, everything else you says is suspect.

If your child doesn't mask all day, stfu as you don't get to tell others to deal with something you don't deal with.

Also, if your child doesn't mask all day, do you not care about the health and well being of the childcare workers being exposed to your child? Quelle horreur!

DP but I took a gigantic pay cut to move because of masking toddlers. Choices sometimes cost, yes. My children are worth it.

To PP’s point, there *are* options, just not the *ideal* options for you. We’re two years into the pandemic, DC and MOCO have shown their colors and at this point you’re the idiot if you think it’s going to change.

Really? That's bizarre, considering there are plenty of in-home daycares in MD and VA (not sure about DC) that don't require toddlers to mask. I would go that route first. Oh well.

NP. There's also plenty of daycare centers in VA that don't require masks, since VA never had a mandate for children under 5.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's daycare had a teacher who died of COVID (she didn't catch it at the daycare), so I think they're being understandably cautious and I'm okay with that.

Same here. The last two years have been traumatic, more due to loss of life than wearing a mask. My kids are not traumatized by masks, and none of the other kids in their daycare are, either. I have a 2 year old, a 4 year old and a 6 year old for PP who said anyone who doesn’t understand must not have young children. I am sure there are some children who have difficulty wearing a mask but I haven’t met many.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's daycare had a teacher who died of COVID (she didn't catch it at the daycare), so I think they're being understandably cautious and I'm okay with that.

Same here. The last two years have been traumatic, more due to loss of life than wearing a mask. My kids are not traumatized by masks, and none of the other kids in their daycare are, either. I have a 2 year old, a 4 year old and a 6 year old for PP who said anyone who doesn’t understand must not have young children. I am sure there are some children who have difficulty wearing a mask but I haven’t met many.

I am so sorry for the loss of your respective teachers. We have masked our child without complaint for 12 months out of respect for the teachers and the trauma that you speak of. She has not done well since we started masking her, and while we are paying a therapist a lot of money to deal with the issue, we do think taking off the mask would make things easier for her. She is only a toddler, and her cloth mask is not protecting anybody.

Be grateful your child is not struggling the way mine is. Watching her suffer is excruciating.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's daycare had a teacher who died of COVID (she didn't catch it at the daycare), so I think they're being understandably cautious and I'm okay with that.

Same here. The last two years have been traumatic, more due to loss of life than wearing a mask. My kids are not traumatized by masks, and none of the other kids in their daycare are, either. I have a 2 year old, a 4 year old and a 6 year old for PP who said anyone who doesn’t understand must not have young children. I am sure there are some children who have difficulty wearing a mask but I haven’t met many.

I am so sorry for the loss of your respective teachers. We have masked our child without complaint for 12 months out of respect for the teachers and the trauma that you speak of. She has not done well since we started masking her, and while we are paying a therapist a lot of money to deal with the issue, we do think taking off the mask would make things easier for her. She is only a toddler, and her cloth mask is not protecting anybody.

Be grateful your child is not struggling the way mine is. Watching her suffer is excruciating.

We are the same- masking has been devastating for our family. It’s so frustrating that families don’t have compassion for children who really have suffered. Our kids behavior has gotten terrible, extreme mood issues, ADHD diagnosis etc. we have worked with doctors, therapists, etc. kids are on multiple medications. We switched to Catholic schools and the last few weeks with no masks have been like having a new kid- we even dropped dosage on medication( workers with our doctor)

Speaking to our psychologist she says that the number of kids with ADHD /ASD type symptoms has sky rocketed- but they they don’t know if it’s a true diagnosis or the masks. For certain many kids are being medicated who wouldn’t need to in non- mask years.

Just because your kid is fine in masks doesn’t mean all kids are. Ignoring others suffering while pretending that masks is essential is not a sting morale stance.

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We went to an online open house last night for Georgetown Hill, and they used the term "an abundance of caution" several times in reference to their COVID policies. They haven't adopted things in the MoCo guidance like test-to-return. We are now crossing them off our list. I really do think they'll keep quarantining, isolating, and masking kids well beyond the requirements from the health dept.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's daycare had a teacher who died of COVID (she didn't catch it at the daycare), so I think they're being understandably cautious and I'm okay with that.

Same here. The last two years have been traumatic, more due to loss of life than wearing a mask. My kids are not traumatized by masks, and none of the other kids in their daycare are, either. I have a 2 year old, a 4 year old and a 6 year old for PP who said anyone who doesn’t understand must not have young children. I am sure there are some children who have difficulty wearing a mask but I haven’t met many.

But do you think cloth masking 2yos for part of the day is really effective at preventing Covid transmission? That’s what I keep coming back to- that this mitigation measure is not effective.

I’m sorry for your loss.

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Anonymous wrote:If this was that serious to you, you'd find an alternate childcare arrangement. Nanny, nanny share, family help, in-home daycare provider with looser restrictions. Stop complaining and solve the problem.

This comment is nonsensical. First of all, surely anyone with two brain cells to rub together realizes that not everyone has a ton of childcare options. Like if your options for childcare really are "nanny, nanny share, family help, in-home provider with looser restrictions, daycare," congratulations! You are incredibly privileged and well-resourced and life must be a lot easier for you than it is for the rest of us. Most of us have really limited childcare options. It's more like "daycare near my house or daycare near my work." Or "daycare I like and that we can barely afford, or daycare I feel not great about but that is in budget." That kind of thing.

But second, if you are fine with kids going to in-home daycares with looser restrictions, you are obviously not personally invested in masking young children as a Covid mitigation measure. A lot of people justify these masking requirements by arguing that kids are disease vectors and they have to mask to keep everyone else safe, since kids themselves don't seem to be particularly vulnerable to Covid. If you don't think this, you should support removing mask mandates for daycares and preschools, since it's apparently not a useful mitigation measure and it places a major burden on very young kids and their families.

So which is it? Are you just a tone deaf rich person or a hypocrite, or both?

Yes I am aware of the challenge of childcare and guess what - I figured it out! Without expecting childcare providers to put their health at risk or expecting other kids to sit around exposed to my child. maskless all day.

As to your second point, obviously parents that are hysterical on this point are not taking covid precautions at all so I really don't care what they do with their kids. Clearly their families aren't taking precautions so have at it.

You "figured it out" or you paid for the problem to go away? Does your child attend a daycare with a strict masking policy or not. Until you answer this question, everything else you says is suspect.

If your child doesn't mask all day, stfu as you don't get to tell others to deal with something you don't deal with.

Also, if your child doesn't mask all day, do you not care about the health and well being of the childcare workers being exposed to your child? Quelle horreur!

DP but I took a gigantic pay cut to move because of masking toddlers. Choices sometimes cost, yes. My children are worth it.

To PP’s point, there *are* options, just not the *ideal* options for you. We’re two years into the pandemic, DC and MOCO have shown their colors and at this point you’re the idiot if you think it’s going to change.

Really? That's bizarre, considering there are plenty of in-home daycares in MD and VA (not sure about DC) that don't require toddlers to mask. I would go that route first. Oh well.

NP. There's also plenty of daycare centers in VA that don't require masks, since VA never had a mandate for children under 5.

Name them. Guessing you didn’t have a 2 year-old in 2020.

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Can someone point me to a link on revised DC daycare / preschool guidance? Its unclear to me what the OSSE guidance still is. My preschool is still doing ALL the covid theatrics - health checks, temp checks, masks at all times.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's daycare had a teacher who died of COVID (she didn't catch it at the daycare), so I think they're being understandably cautious and I'm okay with that.

Same here. The last two years have been traumatic, more due to loss of life than wearing a mask. My kids are not traumatized by masks, and none of the other kids in their daycare are, either. I have a 2 year old, a 4 year old and a 6 year old for PP who said anyone who doesn’t understand must not have young children. I am sure there are some children who have difficulty wearing a mask but I haven’t met many.

I am so sorry for the loss of your respective teachers. We have masked our child without complaint for 12 months out of respect for the teachers and the trauma that you speak of. She has not done well since we started masking her, and while we are paying a therapist a lot of money to deal with the issue, we do think taking off the mask would make things easier for her. She is only a toddler, and her cloth mask is not protecting anybody.

Be grateful your child is not struggling the way mine is. Watching her suffer is excruciating.

We are the same- masking has been devastating for our family. It’s so frustrating that families don’t have compassion for children who really have suffered. Our kids behavior has gotten terrible, extreme mood issues, ADHD diagnosis etc. we have worked with doctors, therapists, etc. kids are on multiple medications. We switched to Catholic schools and the last few weeks with no masks have been like having a new kid- we even dropped dosage on medication( workers with our doctor)

Speaking to our psychologist she says that the number of kids with ADHD /ASD type symptoms has sky rocketed- but they they don’t know if it’s a true diagnosis or the masks. For certain many kids are being medicated who wouldn’t need to in non- mask years.

Just because your kid is fine in masks doesn’t mean all kids are. Ignoring others suffering while pretending that masks is essential is not a sting morale stance.

I call BS. How do masks cause autism or adhd? My kid has ADHD. It is not from masks. We have friends with ASD, also not from masks. The behavior I see in his peers is more from the parenting they’ve been under in the past 2 years than masks. If parents constantly complain and berate public schools, teachers, etc. their kids feel entitled to treat others like dirt. I also think many parents were in denial prior to covid since they weren’t around their kids, and being in closer contact made them realize they have behavior issues.

I am fine with the mask mandate being dropped/masks optional. But I am not okay with parents continuing to try to influence institutional policy. If your child is suffering either find them a babysitter, move them to a different school. That is what special needs parents have done forever. Yes, it is hard, yes, it is easier if you have $$$. But trying to “advocate” and bully schools and businesses into meeting your needs is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's daycare had a teacher who died of COVID (she didn't catch it at the daycare), so I think they're being understandably cautious and I'm okay with that.

Same here. The last two years have been traumatic, more due to loss of life than wearing a mask. My kids are not traumatized by masks, and none of the other kids in their daycare are, either. I have a 2 year old, a 4 year old and a 6 year old for PP who said anyone who doesn’t understand must not have young children. I am sure there are some children who have difficulty wearing a mask but I haven’t met many.

I am so sorry for the loss of your respective teachers. We have masked our child without complaint for 12 months out of respect for the teachers and the trauma that you speak of. She has not done well since we started masking her, and while we are paying a therapist a lot of money to deal with the issue, we do think taking off the mask would make things easier for her. She is only a toddler, and her cloth mask is not protecting anybody.

Be grateful your child is not struggling the way mine is. Watching her suffer is excruciating.

We are the same- masking has been devastating for our family. It’s so frustrating that families don’t have compassion for children who really have suffered. Our kids behavior has gotten terrible, extreme mood issues, ADHD diagnosis etc. we have worked with doctors, therapists, etc. kids are on multiple medications. We switched to Catholic schools and the last few weeks with no masks have been like having a new kid- we even dropped dosage on medication( workers with our doctor)

Speaking to our psychologist she says that the number of kids with ADHD /ASD type symptoms has sky rocketed- but they they don’t know if it’s a true diagnosis or the masks. For certain many kids are being medicated who wouldn’t need to in non- mask years.

Just because your kid is fine in masks doesn’t mean all kids are. Ignoring others suffering while pretending that masks is essential is not a sting morale stance.

I call BS. How do masks cause autism or adhd? My kid has ADHD. It is not from masks. We have friends with ASD, also not from masks. The behavior I see in his peers is more from the parenting they’ve been under in the past 2 years than masks. If parents constantly complain and berate public schools, teachers, etc. their kids feel entitled to treat others like dirt. I also think many parents were in denial prior to covid since they weren’t around their kids, and being in closer contact made them realize they have behavior issues.

I am fine with the mask mandate being dropped/masks optional. But I am not okay with parents continuing to try to influence institutional policy. If your child is suffering either find them a babysitter, move them to a different school. That is what special needs parents have done forever. Yes, it is hard, yes, it is easier if you have $$$. But trying to “advocate” and bully schools and businesses into meeting your needs is ridiculous.

DP If you don't think parents of SN kids need to or should (respectfully) advocate for their children then you live on a different planet than I do. That's absurd. I'm sorry you don't believe those of us who have directly witnessed the impact of masks on our children. I hope nobody dismisses your experience the way you are dismissing ours.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's daycare had a teacher who died of COVID (she didn't catch it at the daycare), so I think they're being understandably cautious and I'm okay with that.

Same here. The last two years have been traumatic, more due to loss of life than wearing a mask. My kids are not traumatized by masks, and none of the other kids in their daycare are, either. I have a 2 year old, a 4 year old and a 6 year old for PP who said anyone who doesn’t understand must not have young children. I am sure there are some children who have difficulty wearing a mask but I haven’t met many.

I am so sorry for the loss of your respective teachers. We have masked our child without complaint for 12 months out of respect for the teachers and the trauma that you speak of. She has not done well since we started masking her, and while we are paying a therapist a lot of money to deal with the issue, we do think taking off the mask would make things easier for her. She is only a toddler, and her cloth mask is not protecting anybody.

Be grateful your child is not struggling the way mine is. Watching her suffer is excruciating.

We are the same- masking has been devastating for our family. It’s so frustrating that families don’t have compassion for children who really have suffered. Our kids behavior has gotten terrible, extreme mood issues, ADHD diagnosis etc. we have worked with doctors, therapists, etc. kids are on multiple medications. We switched to Catholic schools and the last few weeks with no masks have been like having a new kid- we even dropped dosage on medication( workers with our doctor)

Speaking to our psychologist she says that the number of kids with ADHD /ASD type symptoms has sky rocketed- but they they don’t know if it’s a true diagnosis or the masks. For certain many kids are being medicated who wouldn’t need to in non- mask years.

Just because your kid is fine in masks doesn’t mean all kids are. Ignoring others suffering while pretending that masks is essential is not a sting morale stance.

I call BS. How do masks cause autism or adhd? My kid has ADHD. It is not from masks. We have friends with ASD, also not from masks. The behavior I see in his peers is more from the parenting they’ve been under in the past 2 years than masks. If parents constantly complain and berate public schools, teachers, etc. their kids feel entitled to treat others like dirt. I also think many parents were in denial prior to covid since they weren’t around their kids, and being in closer contact made them realize they have behavior issues.

I am fine with the mask mandate being dropped/masks optional. But I am not okay with parents continuing to try to influence institutional policy. If your child is suffering either find them a babysitter, move them to a different school. That is what special needs parents have done forever. Yes, it is hard, yes, it is easier if you have $$$. But trying to “advocate” and bully schools and businesses into meeting your needs is ridiculous.

DP If you don't think parents of SN kids need to or should (respectfully) advocate for their children then you live on a different planet than I do. That's absurd. I'm sorry you don't believe those of us who have directly witnessed the impact of masks on our children. I hope nobody dismisses your experience the way you are dismissing ours.

I agree 100%. Equating advocating for your children with bullying is crazy. I have never bullied anyone and never will.

Remember this is a difficult time for everyone. All I want is to not be forced into an unnecessary medical intervention- to mask outdoors with useful cloth masks. People need to understand there is nuance. A parent asking politely for what is best for their child is not the same as gun toting looney Trump supporter threaten school board members. Has America become so dumb they think everything is black and white- don’t we have brains anymore?

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PP - advocating for your kids is one thing. Starting political movements to enforce “parental choice” in private businesses is another. And starting conspiracy theories that masks cause ADHD or ASD is complete BS. And yes, I have a SN child. I do not demand that institutions change. I make my decisions on where to send them and what accommodations to ask for without being a dick. Overwhelmingly in the past 3 months posts I have seen complaining about masks have either painted any opposition as hysterical, make unfounded claims about anyone who continues to mask, and frankly is bullying. Whether you are or not, I don’t know, and perhaps this is a call for you to reconsider your posts. but the online forums I’m on, definitely. And I suspect MANY actually SN parents will tell you thatparents of neurotypical kids frequently dismiss the needs of SN peers.

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Anonymous wrote:PP - advocating for your kids is one thing. Starting political movements to enforce “parental choice” in private businesses is another. And starting conspiracy theories that masks cause ADHD or ASD is complete BS. And yes, I have a SN child. I do not demand that institutions change. I make my decisions on where to send them and what accommodations to ask for without being a dick. Overwhelmingly in the past 3 months posts I have seen complaining about masks have either painted any opposition as hysterical, make unfounded claims about anyone who continues to mask, and frankly is bullying. Whether you are or not, I don’t know, and perhaps this is a call for you to reconsider your posts. but the online forums I’m on, definitely. And I suspect MANY actually SN parents will tell you thatparents of neurotypical kids frequently dismiss the needs of SN peers.

Who on this thread is "bullying"? Your posts are very dismissive. Just because you have seen aggressive posts online does not justify you attacking any parent concerned about masking. You may not be aware but therapists have learned the hard way that when they themselves ask for flexibility on masking to address a child's specific needs they have been rebuffed. There is no such thing as an accomodation for this issue, and as you know (but continue to deny) it is not easy to change schools. In our case the only options are in homes and because of our child's condition, they are not an appropriate option.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's daycare had a teacher who died of COVID (she didn't catch it at the daycare), so I think they're being understandably cautious and I'm okay with that.

Same here. The last two years have been traumatic, more due to loss of life than wearing a mask. My kids are not traumatized by masks, and none of the other kids in their daycare are, either. I have a 2 year old, a 4 year old and a 6 year old for PP who said anyone who doesn’t understand must not have young children. I am sure there are some children who have difficulty wearing a mask but I haven’t met many.

I am so sorry for the loss of your respective teachers. We have masked our child without complaint for 12 months out of respect for the teachers and the trauma that you speak of. She has not done well since we started masking her, and while we are paying a therapist a lot of money to deal with the issue, we do think taking off the mask would make things easier for her. She is only a toddler, and her cloth mask is not protecting anybody.

Be grateful your child is not struggling the way mine is. Watching her suffer is excruciating.

We are the same- masking has been devastating for our family. It’s so frustrating that families don’t have compassion for children who really have suffered. Our kids behavior has gotten terrible, extreme mood issues, ADHD diagnosis etc. we have worked with doctors, therapists, etc. kids are on multiple medications. We switched to Catholic schools and the last few weeks with no masks have been like having a new kid- we even dropped dosage on medication( workers with our doctor)

Speaking to our psychologist she says that the number of kids with ADHD /ASD type symptoms has sky rocketed- but they they don’t know if it’s a true diagnosis or the masks. For certain many kids are being medicated who wouldn’t need to in non- mask years.

Just because your kid is fine in masks doesn’t mean all kids are. Ignoring others suffering while pretending that masks is essential is not a sting morale stance.

I call BS. How do masks cause autism or adhd? My kid has ADHD. It is not from masks. We have friends with ASD, also not from masks. The behavior I see in his peers is more from the parenting they’ve been under in the past 2 years than masks. If parents constantly complain and berate public schools, teachers, etc. their kids feel entitled to treat others like dirt. I also think many parents were in denial prior to covid since they weren’t around their kids, and being in closer contact made them realize they have behavior issues.

I am fine with the mask mandate being dropped/masks optional. But I am not okay with parents continuing to try to influence institutional policy. If your child is suffering either find them a babysitter, move them to a different school. That is what special needs parents have done forever. Yes, it is hard, yes, it is easier if you have $$$. But trying to “advocate” and bully schools and businesses into meeting your needs is ridiculous.

I call BS as well. I work all day every day with children with a wide range of special needs (including those with trauma issues)and for the past 2 years (minus the 2 months during which we were closed and I did not see the children), I have not seen a single child traumatized or developing a disorder due to wearing masks. Come on now. That is just beyond ridiculous. Stop projecting your psychosis onto your children.