What's the next grouping of schools after T20-30

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care about specific ranking but curious what people consider in the second grouping.

This is our (totally unscientific) dinner table list so far:

Out of Reach, so assume top tier:
Notre Dame, UC, UCLA, UVA, UNC Chapel Hill, CMU, probably Boston College, Georgetown, Emory


Second tier:
Tulane
Villanova
U Miami
Wake Forest
Tufts?
NYU
UGA

There's nothing out or Reach about UNC, UVA, And Boston College. These are second their schools.

Sure, we'll take your opinion, Anonymous Poster who struggles with capitalization and spelling, over the actual facts that make all of these schools out of reach for 80-90% of the students who seek admission to them

Yes with acceptance rates in the 20's, and rankings in the high 20's. They aren't first tier. When has BC ever been considered a top school? Honestly when asking people top school stops at about Emory/CMu/UCLA. UVA doesn't raise eyebrows if you tell people DC went there.

UNC is a strange one, because it's basically second-tier quality, with first tier selectivity if you're OOS. It's not actually that great academically, because most of the kids who are accepted went to crappy NC public schools. I know, because I went there for grad school, and I encountered a ton of undergrads from some tiny rural town in NC who weren't really prepared for college-level work. Not worth the price for OOS, if you can even get in. Anyone who gets in OOS will have much better options to choose from.

UNC is second-tier relative to Berkeley, but so are most of the very "top" private schools as well; clearly not in UMich's range, but easily the peer of UVA or any other large public overall. I think mid-20s is about right. And of course the large numbers of weaker NC students (there are some very strong ones from RD area) is an issue, but remember a full 1/5 of the student body are OOS kids with 1500+ SATs and comparable GPAs. That's about 4000 kids, in total. The net effect is a two-tiered student body, with a high-achieving, bright core and a bottom 60 percent that is any-old-state-U.

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Nah. If anything it is Michigan and some of the CA schools that don't belong in the top 25. Do we suddenly think Michigan has some really great public schools?

The above statement must have been written by a 10 year old.

Definitely Michigan shouldn't be in the top 25. With the CA schools, it depends on which one. Michigan is a great state school - but academically isn't T25 material.

You’re right. Academically it’s more top 15-20. Thanks for pointing that out!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care about specific ranking but curious what people consider in the second grouping.

This is our (totally unscientific) dinner table list so far:

Out of Reach, so assume top tier:
Notre Dame, UC, UCLA, UVA, UNC Chapel Hill, CMU, probably Boston College, Georgetown, Emory


Second tier:
Tulane
Villanova
U Miami
Wake Forest
Tufts?
NYU
UGA

There's nothing out or Reach about UNC, UVA, And Boston College. These are second their schools.

Sure, we'll take your opinion, Anonymous Poster who struggles with capitalization and spelling, over the actual facts that make all of these schools out of reach for 80-90% of the students who seek admission to them

Yes with acceptance rates in the 20's, and rankings in the high 20's. They aren't first tier. When has BC ever been considered a top school? Honestly when asking people top school stops at about Emory/CMu/UCLA. UVA doesn't raise eyebrows if you tell people DC went there.

Eyebrows are most certainly raised with UVA, and in NoVa people treat it like Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care about specific ranking but curious what people consider in the second grouping.

This is our (totally unscientific) dinner table list so far:

Out of Reach, so assume top tier:
Notre Dame, UC, UCLA, UVA, UNC Chapel Hill, CMU, probably Boston College, Georgetown, Emory


Second tier:
Tulane
Villanova
U Miami
Wake Forest
Tufts?
NYU
UGA

There's nothing out or Reach about UNC, UVA, And Boston College. These are second their schools.

Sure, we'll take your opinion, Anonymous Poster who struggles with capitalization and spelling, over the actual facts that make all of these schools out of reach for 80-90% of the students who seek admission to them

Yes with acceptance rates in the 20's, and rankings in the high 20's. They aren't first tier. When has BC ever been considered a top school? Honestly when asking people top school stops at about Emory/CMu/UCLA. UVA doesn't raise eyebrows if you tell people DC went there.

Eyebrows are most certainly raised with UVA, and in NoVa people treat it like Harvard.

This is a Reach, same with Umich. Doesn't really impress anyone but maybe if it's Ross.

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31-40
Duh

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Anonymous wrote:31-40
Duh

NO. T20-T30 would be the top twenty to thirty schools.

So the next group would be 31-50/60

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Anonymous wrote:Starts with

#28 U Florida
#28 Wake Forrest
#28 University of California--Santa Barbara
# UNC Chapel Hill

through #50-55

Schools like Boston University, Tulane, and Noreasetern requrie high stats and acceptance rate is very low althogh ranked relatively low.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Start with UVA

UVA is top 25.

No, it has to be 25-30 at most.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't care about specific ranking but curious what people consider in the second grouping.

This is our (totally unscientific) dinner table list so far:

Out of Reach, so assume top tier:
Notre Dame, UC, UCLA, UVA, UNC Chapel Hill, CMU, probably Boston College, Georgetown, Emory


Second tier:
Tulane
Villanova
U Miami
Wake Forest
Tufts?
NYU
UGA

There's nothing out or Reach about UNC, UVA, And Boston College. These are second their schools.

Sure, we'll take your opinion, Anonymous Poster who struggles with capitalization and spelling, over the actual facts that make all of these schools out of reach for 80-90% of the students who seek admission to them

Yes with acceptance rates in the 20's, and rankings in the high 20's. They aren't first tier. When has BC ever been considered a top school? Honestly when asking people top school stops at about Emory/CMu/UCLA. UVA doesn't raise eyebrows if you tell people DC went there.

UNC is a strange one, because it's basically second-tier quality, with first tier selectivity if you're OOS. It's not actually that great academically, because most of the kids who are accepted went to crappy NC public schools. I know, because I went there for grad school, and I encountered a ton of undergrads from some tiny rural town in NC who weren't really prepared for college-level work. Not worth the price for OOS, if you can even get in. Anyone who gets in OOS will have much better options to choose from.

UNC is second-tier relative to Berkeley, but so are most of the very "top" private schools as well; clearly not in UMich's range, but easily the peer of UVA or any other large public overall. I think mid-20s is about right. And of course the large numbers of weaker NC students (there are some very strong ones from RD area) is an issue, but remember a full 1/5 of the student body are OOS kids with 1500+ SATs and comparable GPAs. That's about 4000 kids, in total. The net effect is a two-tiered student body, with a high-achieving, bright core and a bottom 60 percent that is any-old-state-U.

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Nah. If anything it is Michigan and some of the CA schools that don't belong in the top 25. Do we suddenly think Michigan has some really great public schools?

The above statement must have been written by a 10 year old.

Definitely Michigan shouldn't be in the top 25. With the CA schools, it depends on which one. Michigan is a great state school - but academically isn't T25 material.

You’re right. Academically it’s more top 15-20. Thanks for pointing that out!

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Anonymous wrote:Pleasantly surprised to see BU in the grouping. If I’ve got the right BU.

Boston University

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Anonymous wrote:Pleasantly surprised to see BU in the grouping. If I’ve got the right BU.

Boston University

Any other BU in that range?

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BU has become more competitive in recent years.

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Anonymous wrote:Starts with

#28 U Florida
#28 Wake Forrest
#28 University of California--Santa Barbara
# UNC Chapel Hill

through #50-55

Schools like Boston University, Tulane, and Noreasetern requrie high stats and acceptance rate is very low althogh ranked relatively low.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Start with UVA

UVA is top 25.

No, it has to be 25-30 at most.

USN&WR placed it at 25 this year. Google it. Also placed no 4 under “best public universities in America”

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think people really care outside of the top 25 or so schools. Like, does anyone honestly really care about a private school ranked in the 50s? Er, no.

Any of the so called top 25 that have more than 6000 undergrads are at the very bottom of the list for Presidential Scholar A. And any of the Top SLACs are not even on the list for Presidential Scholar B. And Presidential Scholar C won't even consider a school that isn't Catholic. While Presidential Scholar C wants an open curriculum so is only considering the 8 or so schools that offer that.

This whole ranking thing is so dumb. If you focused on USNWR ranking, you are doing it wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Starts with

#28 U Florida
#28 Wake Forrest
#28 University of California--Santa Barbara
# UNC Chapel Hill

through #50-55

Schools like Boston University, Tulane, and Noreasetern requrie high stats and acceptance rate is very low althogh ranked relatively low.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Start with UVA

UVA is top 25.

No, it has to be 25-30 at most.

USN&WR placed it at 25 this year. Google it. Also placed no 4 under “best public universities in America”

None of those schools hold any interest for my kid, so I don't care how they are ranked.

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Anonymous wrote:BU has become more competitive in recent years.

What's the reasoning it's getting more interest? Does it have a defined campus or urban and spread in the city? Not sure why this school has not hit our radar -- DS likes Boston.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Starts with

#28 U Florida
#28 Wake Forrest
#28 University of California--Santa Barbara
# UNC Chapel Hill

through #50-55

Schools like Boston University, Tulane, and Noreasetern requrie high stats and acceptance rate is very low althogh ranked relatively low.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Start with UVA

UVA is top 25.

No, it has to be 25-30 at most.

USN&WR placed it at 25 this year. Google it. Also placed no 4 under “best public universities in America”

None of those schools hold any interest for my kid, so I don't care how they are ranked.

Then why are you reading this thread? and commenting?