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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't care about specific ranking but curious what people consider in the second grouping.

This is our (totally unscientific) dinner table list so far:

Out of Reach, so assume top tier: 
Notre Dame, UC, UCLA, UVA, UNC Chapel Hill, CMU, probably Boston College, Georgetown, Emory

Second tier: 
Tulane
Villanova
U Miami
Wake Forest 
Tufts? 
NYU
UGA

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There's nothing out or Reach about UNC, UVA, And Boston College. These are second their schools. [/quote]

Sure, we'll take your opinion, Anonymous Poster who struggles with capitalization and spelling, over the actual facts that make all of these schools out of reach for 80-90% of the students who seek admission to them[/quote]
Yes with acceptance rates in the 20's, and rankings in the high 20's. They aren't first tier. When has BC ever been considered a top school? Honestly when asking people top school stops at about Emory/CMu/UCLA. UVA doesn't raise eyebrows if you tell people DC went there. [/quote]

UNC is a strange one, because it's basically second-tier quality, with first tier selectivity if you're OOS. It's not actually that great academically, because most of the kids who are accepted went to crappy NC public schools. I know, because I went there for grad school, and I encountered a ton of undergrads from some tiny rural town in NC who weren't really prepared for college-level work. Not worth the price for OOS, if you can even get in. Anyone who gets in OOS will have much better options to choose from.[/quote]

UNC is second-tier relative to Berkeley, but so are most of the very "top" private schools as well; clearly not in UMich's range, but easily the peer of UVA or any other large public overall.  I think mid-20s is about right. And of course the large numbers of weaker NC students (there are some very strong ones from RD area) is an issue, but remember a full 1/5 of the student body are OOS kids with 1500+ SATs and comparable GPAs. That's about 4000 kids, in total. The net effect is a two-tiered student body, with a high-achieving, bright core and a bottom 60 percent that is any-old-state-U.

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Nah. If anything it is Michigan and some of the CA schools that don't belong in the top 25. Do we suddenly think Michigan has some really great public schools?[/quote]

The above statement must have been written by a 10 year old. [/quote]

Definitely Michigan shouldn't be in the top 25. With the CA schools, it depends on which one. Michigan is a great state school - but academically isn't T25 material.[/quote]

You’re right. Academically it’s more top 15-20.  Thanks for pointing that out!  [/quote]

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