Virginia School Board Proposes Burning Books

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's the GOP for you. The anti-intellectual party. Keep voting for them, women and "concerned moms." This should help your children's education.

Prostitution is super intellectual and it’s crucial that your kids learn all about it at as early an age as possible or else they’re very uneducated. Math and science, who cares about that!

Are you able to argue in good faith?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's the GOP for you. The anti-intellectual party. Keep voting for them, women and "concerned moms." This should help your children's education.

Prostitution is super intellectual and it’s crucial that your kids learn all about it at as early an age as possible or else they’re very uneducated. Math and science, who cares about that!

Are you able to argue in good faith?

Bad faith question. We all know the answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:33 Snowfish: “Boobie is a teenage pyromaniac who has killed his parents and kidnapped his baby brother with the intention of selling him to the highest bidder. Custis is an orphan who, for most of his wretched life, has been the sexual slave of middle-aged pedophile. Curl is a teenaged prostitute who has a dangerous crush on Boobie. These three miserable outcasts have formed a tenuous bond and are all on the run for Boobie’s murder.”

This sounds like a real winner. If you read the Kyle Rittenhouse thread people think he’s guilty because he played Call of Duty. Where exactly do you place the oh-so-touching-tale of “teenage rape victim and sex slave”? Completely sordid that this book is Democrats’ hill to die on. It should be burned. If you gave my child this to read, I’d file charges for child abuse.

Perhaps in an earlier time pre-internet we might have had a spirited conversation on this topic, but it makes no sense to complain about the content of library books in the internet age when everything--and I mean EVERYTHING--is available to view within seconds on a cell phone screen. Whatever idyllic notion you have of childhood innocence shattered by this book--or any others you choose--trust me, it was shattered long ago.

You don’t think schools should uphold a standard to help guide kids towards more positive content than tiktok?

[Anonymous]

Some of you can’t tell the difference between books that kids should not read and they a public school shouldn’t buy and freedom of speech allowing people to print books for others to buy on Amazon they you may not like, eg the Anarchist Cookbook. Who care they suggested burning the books - red herring - the real issue is why was this garbage in a public school to begin with? Should we be giving Rabelais to the K-5 set next? Perhaps a little a Marquis de Sade? On the plus side at least the writing will surely be better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don’t think schools should uphold a standard to help guide kids towards more positive content than tiktok?

I think you typify a basic issue with Republican “thought.” This is fascism, and it’s precisely the same kind of thought that led the Nazis to purge their museums of art that they didn’t feel upheld Nazi ideals. This week it’s books with “sexually explicit” content, next week who knows why they’ll purge a book.

And here you are, trying to ensure that kids stay as coddled and stupid as possible, unable to think critically for themselves. The book you’re all losing your smooth minds over is probably the most extreme of the whole bunch. It’s targeted to 15 year olds and above. This isn’t in the elementary school library and Mrs. Jennings will not be reading it to her kindergarten class. At what point do you think it’s safe for children to begin to think about these issues?

Maybe we should just burn up the schools and libraries? Then we can go back to having box socials and farming an acre or two, expecting everyone to be in a heterosexual married relationship and let men run things? I mean how basic and retrograde do you want to get here? Should we also stop eating foods from exotic places like Mexico and Thailand? Just back to meat and potatoes? We can go back to sexual abuse being something that happened in total secrecy and just expect the victims to deal with it themselves. We already know that Republicans support pedophilia, so maybe this is your end game - keeping people dumb, stupid and easy to victimize with no recourse.

[Anonymous]

I think we should be burning every book that mentions Jesus or Church or anything religious at all. I don’t want my kids reading that crap! Why are schools buying books that talk about religion? Trash em all!

[Anonymous]

I think you typify a basic issue with Republican “thought.” This is fascism, and it’s precisely the same kind of thought that led the Nazis to purge their museums of art that they didn’t feel upheld Nazi ideals. This week it’s books with “sexually explicit” content, next week who knows why they’ll purge a book.

So, parents who do not want hypersexual content in school libraries are Nazis?
Many high school libraries also share resources with middle school level kids. So, these books are available to 12 year olds.

While many, many high school students are sexually active, there are also many who are not. Why push this type of book? Who does it help? It seems that we are trying to make those kids who are not sexually active feel like the outsiders.

There is plenty of dark information available outside of school. Why push it in school? How about more about resilience?

This is not about censorship in general. This is about books for minors. No one is "banning" books from being published or sold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I think you typify a basic issue with Republican “thought.” This is fascism, and it’s precisely the same kind of thought that led the Nazis to purge their museums of art that they didn’t feel upheld Nazi ideals. This week it’s books with “sexually explicit” content, next week who knows why they’ll purge a book. [… when you dock a pp for brevity, you use the period of ellipses in brackets to indicate you’ve removed content. If you had more than a passing familiarity with reading, you’d know that]

So, parents who do not want hypersexual content in school libraries are Nazis? I think the people trying to get rid of these books definitely share the same fascist dna, yes.
Many high school libraries also share resources with middle school level kids. Lol, no they don’t. You made that up to bolster a whisper-thin argument. So, these books are available to 12 year olds. At the public library, yes. Are you gunning for those copies next?

While many, many high school students are sexually active, there are also many who are not. Why push this type of book? Having a book available is “pushing” it? Who does it help? It’s literature, so people willing to read the book and engage with it. I.e., not you and your ilk. It seems that we are trying to make those kids who are not sexually active feel like the outsiders. Boy that’s a r-e-a-c-h. I never once felt like an outsider when I read sexually explicit books as a child. They were around even back then in the 1980s and 1990s; I loved being secretive and reading romance novels - the same ones you probably read. I never felt like “an outsider.” Just like I never felt like “an outsider” when I read about other cultures and other experiences I hadn’t had (and in most cases, never would). I’ve read books about murder and mountain climbing; I don’t feel like an outsider for not having done those things.

There is plenty of dark information available outside of school. Why push it in school? It’s not being “pushed.” MAGA really has trouble with words and their definitions. How about more about resilience? Oh, like the resilience to read a book that your mommy and daddy think is too grown up for 17 year old you? You understand that your mollycoddling position is the opposite of building resistance, do you not?

This is not about censorship in general. It 100% is about censorship. This is about books for minors. Teenaged minors, you know, those same ones we hand the car keys, the ones who are supposed to be working on their inner lives and who we credit with a modicum of maturity? No one is "banning" books from being published or sold. You absolutely are trying to ban books. No one thinks you fascists will be content to stop with just “sexually explicit” books in school libraries. You oppose critical thinking, expertise and learning in general. Or maybe you’ve treated your multiple covid infections with the old bleach and lightbulbs treatment.

[Anonymous]

Many high school libraries also share resources with middle school level kids. Lol, no they don’t. You made that up to bolster a whisper-thin argument. So, these books are available to 12 year olds. At the public library, yes. Are you gunning for those copies next?

You've obviously never heard of secondary schools?

his is not about censorship in general. It 100% is about censorship. This is about books for minors. Teenaged minors, you know, those same ones we hand the car keys, the ones who are supposed to be working on their inner lives and who we credit with a modicum of maturity? No one is "banning" books from being published or sold. You absolutely are trying to ban books. No one thinks you fascists will be content to stop with just “sexually explicit” books in school libraries. You oppose critical thinking, expertise and learning in general. Or maybe you’ve treated your multiple covid infections with the old bleach and lightbulbs treatment.

So, it sure sounds like you don't have a teenager--you don't just "hand over the car keys."
First, they have to pass a test for a learner's permit. Then, they have to get so many hours of driving under supervision. And, then, there is an age curfew for a while.

And, even after that, most parents do not just "hand over the car keys."
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[Anonymous]

You idiots voted in Youngkin
Virginia schools are now Alabama schools.

Clearly he has no idea about educating children given he pays for a very expensive private one for his kid who clearly is a moron and should be in jail. Now Youngkin is defending that garbage using it for election lies.

Youngkin is now King of VA and you morons voted in that POS who has zero policies.
He told you that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do find it odd that that ratios of LGBTQ-themed to straight-themed books about teen relationships were so heavily skewed towards LQBTQ.

That’s just ….like I said - odd. Most teens are not LGBTQ, so it makes no sense that fiction books about teens dating should be 166-to-2 in favor of LGBTQ storylines.

I’m not suggesting book burning, but someone definitely needs to look into the library system’s procurement process.

What? I'm a school librarian. I can assure you this is not the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do find it odd that that ratios of LGBTQ-themed to straight-themed books about teen relationships were so heavily skewed towards LQBTQ.

That’s just ….like I said - odd. Most teens are not LGBTQ, so it makes no sense that fiction books about teens dating should be 166-to-2 in favor of LGBTQ storylines.

I’m not suggesting book burning, but someone definitely needs to look into the library system’s procurement process.

What? I'm a school librarian. I can assure you this is not the case.

PP, can you weigh in on this discussion some ore? There seem to be a lot of misconceptions about what goes into reviewing and procuring books for public school libraries. I would love to hear some facts about the topic, not just suppositions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Many high school libraries also share resources with middle school level kids. Lol, no they don’t. You made that up to bolster a whisper-thin argument. So, these books are available to 12 year olds. At the public library, yes. Are you gunning for those copies next?

You've obviously never heard of secondary schools?

his is not about censorship in general. It 100% is about censorship. This is about books for minors. Teenaged minors, you know, those same ones we hand the car keys, the ones who are supposed to be working on their inner lives and who we credit with a modicum of maturity? No one is "banning" books from being published or sold. You absolutely are trying to ban books. No one thinks you fascists will be content to stop with just “sexually explicit” books in school libraries. You oppose critical thinking, expertise and learning in general. Or maybe you’ve treated your multiple covid infections with the old bleach and lightbulbs treatment.

So, it sure sounds like you don't have a teenager--you don't just "hand over the car keys."
First, they have to pass a test for a learner's permit. Then, they have to get so many hours of driving under supervision. And, then, there is an age curfew for a while.

And, even after that, most parents do not just "hand over the car keys."
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You know I’m right. What the GOP is doing here is just one more step on the march to fascism and you’re loving every minute of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:33 Snowfish: “Boobie is a teenage pyromaniac who has killed his parents and kidnapped his baby brother with the intention of selling him to the highest bidder. Custis is an orphan who, for most of his wretched life, has been the sexual slave of middle-aged pedophile. Curl is a teenaged prostitute who has a dangerous crush on Boobie. These three miserable outcasts have formed a tenuous bond and are all on the run for Boobie’s murder.”

This sounds like a real winner. If you read the Kyle Rittenhouse thread people think he’s guilty because he played Call of Duty. Where exactly do you place the oh-so-touching-tale of “teenage rape victim and sex slave”? Completely sordid that this book is Democrats’ hill to die on. It should be burned. If you gave my child this to read, I’d file charges for child abuse.

Perhaps in an earlier time pre-internet we might have had a spirited conversation on this topic, but it makes no sense to complain about the content of library books in the internet age when everything--and I mean EVERYTHING--is available to view within seconds on a cell phone screen. Whatever idyllic notion you have of childhood innocence shattered by this book--or any others you choose--trust me, it was shattered long ago.

You don’t think schools should uphold a standard to help guide kids towards more positive content than tiktok?

I'm the PP you're responding to. Your question is not logical to me.

First of all, it is not the role of schools to "guide kids towards more positive content" than what is found on tiktok--or other types of social media. It is their job to teach certain subjects (math, science, English, etc.) and to teach critical thinking. The content that your child pursues when not in school will be shaped by other factors like their peer group and values they have picked up in your home.

Second, this whole discussion about schools books is a red herring for bigger issues. And that's a whole 'nuther discussion. In the meanwhile, if you want to control what your child reads, then homeschool them or send them to a religious school of your choice. But you don't get to tell an individual public school or school system how to choose books and what kind of books to choose for their library.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you can’t tell the difference between books that kids should not read and they a public school shouldn’t buy and freedom of speech allowing people to print books for others to buy on Amazon they you may not like, eg the Anarchist Cookbook. Who care they suggested burning the books - red herring - the real issue is why was this garbage in a public school to begin with? Should we be giving Rabelais to the K-5 set next? Perhaps a little a Marquis de Sade? On the plus side at least the writing will surely be better.

I don't know who you are but please stop suggesting that you get to decide what constitutes "garbage" among the books my kids can choose from in their school library. You are not raising my kids and should have no influence on them. If you don't want your kids reading certain books then send the list of books you forbid them to check out to your school so the librarian knows to tell your kids, "sorry, your dad won't allow you to read this."