Virginia School Board Proposes Burning Books

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not include reasons for why these books are recommended reading or being included in a school library? What learning objective or goal do they fulfill? To be exposed to an idea just for exposures sake doesn't make sense if you can curate better source material that fulfills learning goals and objectives. Instead of a book like 33 Snowfish which seems to be dark for the sake of being macabre if you want to have school aged kids read a book about pedophilia/child sex trafficking why not instead include works or memoires by individuals that actually experienced and survived such a situation and have something more meaningful to say?

There are plenty of those to be found in libraries. And if you think there aren’t, send a list of suggested titles plus the money to purchase them. Or do you just want to complain?

You’re on the Loudon County School Board aren’t you.

Nope. Not even a Virginian.

But I don't believe in letting other parents decide what my kids can check out from the school library.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not include reasons for why these books are recommended reading or being included in a school library? What learning objective or goal do they fulfill? To be exposed to an idea just for exposures sake doesn't make sense if you can curate better source material that fulfills learning goals and objectives. Instead of a book like 33 Snowfish which seems to be dark for the sake of being macabre if you want to have school aged kids read a book about pedophilia/child sex trafficking why not instead include works or memoires by individuals that actually experienced and survived such a situation and have something more meaningful to say?

There are plenty of those to be found in libraries. And if you think there aren’t, send a list of suggested titles plus the money to purchase them. Or do you just want to complain?

You didn't answer my question. Why not include reasons for why these books are recommended reading or being included in a school library? What learning objective or goal do they fulfill?

I see you just want to complain.

"These books" -- who gets to decide which are "these books" that require "reasons" for being in the library?

If you get to decide on a list, then I also get to decide on a list of books that require "reasons" for being in the library. Deal?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not include reasons for why these books are recommended reading or being included in a school library? What learning objective or goal do they fulfill? To be exposed to an idea just for exposures sake doesn't make sense if you can curate better source material that fulfills learning goals and objectives. Instead of a book like 33 Snowfish which seems to be dark for the sake of being macabre if you want to have school aged kids read a book about pedophilia/child sex trafficking why not instead include works or memoires by individuals that actually experienced and survived such a situation and have something more meaningful to say?

There are plenty of those to be found in libraries. And if you think there aren’t, send a list of suggested titles plus the money to purchase them. Or do you just want to complain?

You’re on the Loudon County School Board aren’t you.

Nope. Not even a Virginian.

But I don't believe in letting other parents decide what my kids can check out from the school library.

But you believe you should tell me as a parent what my child should and should not read. Do you even have school age children?

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not include reasons for why these books are recommended reading or being included in a school library? What learning objective or goal do they fulfill? To be exposed to an idea just for exposures sake doesn't make sense if you can curate better source material that fulfills learning goals and objectives. Instead of a book like 33 Snowfish which seems to be dark for the sake of being macabre if you want to have school aged kids read a book about pedophilia/child sex trafficking why not instead include works or memoires by individuals that actually experienced and survived such a situation and have something more meaningful to say?

There are plenty of those to be found in libraries. And if you think there aren’t, send a list of suggested titles plus the money to purchase them. Or do you just want to complain?

You’re on the Loudon County School Board aren’t you.

Nope. Not even a Virginian.

But I don't believe in letting other parents decide what my kids can check out from the school library.

But you believe you should tell me as a parent what my child should and should not read. Do you even have school age children?

Nobody is forcing your child to ready every book in the library. Are you even reading the thread?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not include reasons for why these books are recommended reading or being included in a school library? What learning objective or goal do they fulfill? To be exposed to an idea just for exposures sake doesn't make sense if you can curate better source material that fulfills learning goals and objectives. Instead of a book like 33 Snowfish which seems to be dark for the sake of being macabre if you want to have school aged kids read a book about pedophilia/child sex trafficking why not instead include works or memoires by individuals that actually experienced and survived such a situation and have something more meaningful to say?

There are plenty of those to be found in libraries. And if you think there aren’t, send a list of suggested titles plus the money to purchase them. Or do you just want to complain?

You’re on the Loudon County School Board aren’t you.

Nope. Not even a Virginian.

But I don't believe in letting other parents decide what my kids can check out from the school library.

But you believe you should tell me as a parent what my child should and should not read. Do you even have school age children?

I sure do have kids.

And I don't care what your kids read. Not my business. I'm not forcing your kids to choose any books from the library. You are absolutely welcome to tell your kids what they can and cannot check out or read. And you can even tell your school that you don't want your kids checking out or reading certain books. You can tell your school you don't want your kids to go to the library at all, what with all those evil books they might get exposed to. That is your right as a parent and NO ONE is stopping you.

Seriously, I don't care. It's your job as a parent to decide what you want your kids exposed to. Not mine. And vice-versa.

[Anonymous]

We all know the Heinrich Heine quote about burning books, right?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Why not include reasons for why these books are recommended reading or being included in a school library? What learning objective or goal do they fulfill? To be exposed to an idea just for exposures sake doesn't make sense if you can curate better source material that fulfills learning goals and objectives. Instead of a book like 33 Snowfish which seems to be dark for the sake of being macabre if you want to have school aged kids read a book about pedophilia/child sex trafficking why not instead include works or memoires by individuals that actually experienced and survived such a situation and have something more meaningful to say?

There are plenty of those to be found in libraries. And if you think there aren’t, send a list of suggested titles plus the money to purchase them. Or do you just want to complain?

You’re on the Loudon County School Board aren’t you.

Nope. Not even a Virginian.

But I don't believe in letting other parents decide what my kids can check out from the school library.

But you believe you should tell me as a parent what my child should and should not read. Do you even have school age children?

Nobody is forcing your child to ready every book in the library. Are you even reading the thread?

Well if they are removing books from the school my kid can not read that book. So yes they are dictating what books can and can not be read by my kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's the GOP for you. The anti-intellectual party. Keep voting for them, women and "concerned moms." This should help your children's education.

Prostitution is super intellectual and it’s crucial that your kids learn all about it at as early an age as possible or else they’re very uneducated. Math and science, who cares about that!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Why not include reasons for why these books are recommended reading or being included in a school library? What learning objective or goal do they fulfill? To be exposed to an idea just for exposures sake doesn't make sense if you can curate better source material that fulfills learning goals and objectives. Instead of a book like 33 Snowfish which seems to be dark for the sake of being macabre if you want to have school aged kids read a book about pedophilia/child sex trafficking why not instead include works or memoires by individuals that actually experienced and survived such a situation and have something more meaningful to say?

There are plenty of those to be found in libraries. And if you think there aren’t, send a list of suggested titles plus the money to purchase them. Or do you just want to complain?

You’re on the Loudon County School Board aren’t you.

Nope. Not even a Virginian.

But I don't believe in letting other parents decide what my kids can check out from the school library.

Yes makes sure your kids get the opportunity to learn about sex and mature topics without parental input! Good job

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not include reasons for why these books are recommended reading or being included in a school library? What learning objective or goal do they fulfill? To be exposed to an idea just for exposures sake doesn't make sense if you can curate better source material that fulfills learning goals and objectives. Instead of a book like 33 Snowfish which seems to be dark for the sake of being macabre if you want to have school aged kids read a book about pedophilia/child sex trafficking why not instead include works or memoires by individuals that actually experienced and survived such a situation and have something more meaningful to say?

There are plenty of those to be found in libraries. And if you think there aren’t, send a list of suggested titles plus the money to purchase them. Or do you just want to complain?

You’re on the Loudon County School Board aren’t you.

Nope. Not even a Virginian.

But I don't believe in letting other parents decide what my kids can check out from the school library.

Yes makes sure your kids get the opportunity to learn about sex and mature topics without parental input! Good job

Why would I want other parent's input on my kids readings, no matter what the topic?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not include reasons for why these books are recommended reading or being included in a school library? What learning objective or goal do they fulfill? To be exposed to an idea just for exposures sake doesn't make sense if you can curate better source material that fulfills learning goals and objectives. Instead of a book like 33 Snowfish which seems to be dark for the sake of being macabre if you want to have school aged kids read a book about pedophilia/child sex trafficking why not instead include works or memoires by individuals that actually experienced and survived such a situation and have something more meaningful to say?

There are plenty of those to be found in libraries. And if you think there aren’t, send a list of suggested titles plus the money to purchase them. Or do you just want to complain?

You’re on the Loudon County School Board aren’t you.

Nope. Not even a Virginian.

But I don't believe in letting other parents decide what my kids can check out from the school library.

Yes makes sure your kids get the opportunity to learn about sex and mature topics without parental input! Good job

We get it, you micromanage your teenagers. Guess what, they're learning about sex and mature topics anyway. That's the circle of life. Unless you send your kids away to a cloister. But even there they'd learn about things you find shocking. Shocking!

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Why not include reasons for why these books are recommended reading or being included in a school library? What learning objective or goal do they fulfill? To be exposed to an idea just for exposures sake doesn't make sense if you can curate better source material that fulfills learning goals and objectives. Instead of a book like 33 Snowfish which seems to be dark for the sake of being macabre if you want to have school aged kids read a book about pedophilia/child sex trafficking why not instead include works or memoires by individuals that actually experienced and survived such a situation and have something more meaningful to say?

There are plenty of those to be found in libraries. And if you think there aren’t, send a list of suggested titles plus the money to purchase them. Or do you just want to complain?

You’re on the Loudon County School Board aren’t you.

Nope. Not even a Virginian.

But I don't believe in letting other parents decide what my kids can check out from the school library.

But you believe you should tell me as a parent what my child should and should not read. Do you even have school age children?

Nobody is forcing your child to ready every book in the library. Are you even reading the thread?

Well if they are removing books from the school my kid can not read that book. So yes they are dictating what books can and can not be read by my kid.

Reread the conversation to which you are replying. Your reply doesn't really make much sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not include reasons for why these books are recommended reading or being included in a school library? What learning objective or goal do they fulfill? To be exposed to an idea just for exposures sake doesn't make sense if you can curate better source material that fulfills learning goals and objectives. Instead of a book like 33 Snowfish which seems to be dark for the sake of being macabre if you want to have school aged kids read a book about pedophilia/child sex trafficking why not instead include works or memoires by individuals that actually experienced and survived such a situation and have something more meaningful to say?

There are plenty of those to be found in libraries. And if you think there aren’t, send a list of suggested titles plus the money to purchase them. Or do you just want to complain?

You’re on the Loudon County School Board aren’t you.

Nope. Not even a Virginian.

But I don't believe in letting other parents decide what my kids can check out from the school library.

Yes makes sure your kids get the opportunity to learn about sex and mature topics without parental input! Good job

We get it, you micromanage your teenagers. Guess what, they're learning about sex and mature topics anyway. That's the circle of life. Unless you send your kids away to a cloister. But even there they'd learn about things you find shocking. Shocking!

We can go so far as to say they'll be exposed to sex, drugs and alcohol anyway so let's provide it to them. Most parents wouldn't do that. Just because someone can or will be exposed to something does not mean parents must expose them, condone the act or substance or cannot try to prohibit them from being exposed as a minor child. Furthermore if exposure is the great concern we should be selective in what material they are exposed to in an effort to make sure it's age appropriate and properly fulfills an educational goal or standard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not include reasons for why these books are recommended reading or being included in a school library? What learning objective or goal do they fulfill? To be exposed to an idea just for exposures sake doesn't make sense if you can curate better source material that fulfills learning goals and objectives. Instead of a book like 33 Snowfish which seems to be dark for the sake of being macabre if you want to have school aged kids read a book about pedophilia/child sex trafficking why not instead include works or memoires by individuals that actually experienced and survived such a situation and have something more meaningful to say?

There are plenty of those to be found in libraries. And if you think there aren’t, send a list of suggested titles plus the money to purchase them. Or do you just want to complain?

You’re on the Loudon County School Board aren’t you.

Nope. Not even a Virginian.

But I don't believe in letting other parents decide what my kids can check out from the school library.

Yes makes sure your kids get the opportunity to learn about sex and mature topics without parental input! Good job

We get it, you micromanage your teenagers. Guess what, they're learning about sex and mature topics anyway. That's the circle of life. Unless you send your kids away to a cloister. But even there they'd learn about things you find shocking. Shocking!

We can go so far as to say they'll be exposed to sex, drugs and alcohol anyway so let's provide it to them. Most parents wouldn't do that. Just because someone can or will be exposed to something does not mean parents must expose them, condone the act or substance or cannot try to prohibit them from being exposed as a minor child. Furthermore if exposure is the great concern we should be selective in what material they are exposed to in an effort to make sure it's age appropriate and properly fulfills an educational goal or standard.

Teenagers already know that a lot of bad shit happens in this world. What they don’t know so much is how to deal with it, how to deal with conflicts and egregious behavior and apparently hopeless problems without either surrendering to them or escalating them. This book is literature doing what literature does best. Have any of you book burners ever read any literature or religious morality story or even a fairy tale? There can be no redemption arc without the flawed characters acting badly in the beginning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not include reasons for why these books are recommended reading or being included in a school library? What learning objective or goal do they fulfill? To be exposed to an idea just for exposures sake doesn't make sense if you can curate better source material that fulfills learning goals and objectives. Instead of a book like 33 Snowfish which seems to be dark for the sake of being macabre if you want to have school aged kids read a book about pedophilia/child sex trafficking why not instead include works or memoires by individuals that actually experienced and survived such a situation and have something more meaningful to say?

There are plenty of those to be found in libraries. And if you think there aren’t, send a list of suggested titles plus the money to purchase them. Or do you just want to complain?

You’re on the Loudon County School Board aren’t you.

Nope. Not even a Virginian.

But I don't believe in letting other parents decide what my kids can check out from the school library.

Yes makes sure your kids get the opportunity to learn about sex and mature topics without parental input! Good job

We get it, you micromanage your teenagers. Guess what, they're learning about sex and mature topics anyway. That's the circle of life. Unless you send your kids away to a cloister. But even there they'd learn about things you find shocking. Shocking!

We can go so far as to say they'll be exposed to sex, drugs and alcohol anyway so let's provide it to them. Most parents wouldn't do that. Just because someone can or will be exposed to something does not mean parents must expose them, condone the act or substance or cannot try to prohibit them from being exposed as a minor child. Furthermore if exposure is the great concern we should be selective in what material they are exposed to in an effort to make sure it's age appropriate and properly fulfills an educational goal or standard.

Sorry, but giving a kid a book is not the same as giving him alcohol or drugs. I mean, really. Come on.

Though certainly books can have powerful effects on people. PP, what book influenced you the most when you were a teen? For me it was The Grapes of Wrath, a book that has been banned and challenged in high schools across the world, as late as the 1990s.

A lot of parents were upset at the language, the violence, the sexual content, and you know, that icky scene at the end where the young mother breastfeeds an old man to save his life.