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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I wasn’t clear. He is looking at schools where a 34 is mid range (33-35). So a 34 is right in the middle. So that would be a situation where score should not hurt (but probably also not help). Am I thinking about that correctly?

Thanks.

Oh I get it now. Yes, a 34 shouldn't hurt his chances anywhere. Those top schools (top 30 or so) admission is less stats driven so unless he brings other factors/hooks, good stats are really nonevermind kinda thing...

Thank you. That is what I hoping I guess- that I 34 would be worth submitting to get the app in the pile to be considered, so to speak.

Have a close relative who has worked in admissions at two select schools - nearly verbatim: "35/36 goes in one pile and 34 goes in another." It's a great score, but it doesn't get in that pile.

This is absolute total and unadulterated BS. Name the schools.

Well, UVA. 34 is the 50th percentile for kids who showed up last fall. 35 is the 75th percentile, so 25 percent of the attending class had something higher.

Last year’s numbers will skew higher because of the prevalence of kids who chose to not report. Those numbers will be smaller this year given that covid cancellations are no longer an excuse.

No, it’s been just about like that for every year DC was there. Every year the gpa and test scores creep up slightly. Same with W&M -they are almost in lockstep but W&M is just slightly behind in most categories. I think it’s actually the quality if applications there was a concomitant surge in applications to tge publics when parents reassessed their financial situation after the crash in Spring of 2020

Just looked at the statistics and a 34 would put a student in the 75th percentile for admitted students at UVA in 2018 to 2020 (fall of entrance). Guess your memory is wrong.

I’m citing the Official SCHEV statistics for students who showed up to UVA, campus in fall 2021. 75th percentile is a 35. 5Oth percentile is a 34. Look it Up: State Council Higher Education of Virginia. Every parent in Virginua should be familiar with that straight-forward reporting site.

This is only because half of the students accepted did not submit scores.

FALSE. The SCHEV scores are consistent with the last seven years of reports as our W&Ms. W&M has fallen slightly behind uVA if the goa, act and sat scores reported. Every year one or more categories creep up but nothing new here. I can provide earlier years scores if you like. Please bear in mind that these stats are the ones of students who actually showed up. The “accepted” class has even higher scores but many in-state top students use UVA as a safety so go to an IVy or top SLAC or top engineering school like MIT.

UVA’s own data quite clearly shows that a 34 is in the 75 th percentile for its freshman class for the past several years. https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

Since my DS got in six years ago, I've watched the stats. The GPA has risen slightly over the six years. SCHEV reports the 75th percentile being a 35 for enrolled students last fall, median at 34, bottom 25th at a 32. That seems right to me. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Well, the numbers are UVA’s own page for fall 2020 are different. That’s the point.[/quote]


And the State's (SCHEV's) are for Fall 2021 for actual enrolled students.

Sorry, typed 2021 out of habit. Fall 2020 actual enrollees.

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Anonymous wrote:Gtfo. An ACT score of 34 is in the 96th percentile and is roughly equivalent to a 1500. Just submit it. If you’re so concerned then have them retake for a 35 or 36. Jeez.

Also, not concerned at all. My child will go to college because he wants to. I am just trying to understand the range of schools he should be considering.

This is just ONE of many factors that will go into his acceptance.

It is good (and I think you know that) but is GPA is even more important. Rigor of classes. EC's High school.

Your question is odd and comes across as a humble brag, TBH.

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Anonymous wrote:Gtfo. An ACT score of 34 is in the 96th percentile and is roughly equivalent to a 1500. Just submit it. If you’re so concerned then have them retake for a 35 or 36. Jeez.

Also, not concerned at all. My child will go to college because he wants to. I am just trying to understand the range of schools he should be considering.

This is just ONE of many factors that will go into his acceptance.

It is good (and I think you know that) but is GPA is even more important. Rigor of classes. EC's High school.

Your question is odd and comes across as a humble brag, TBH.

Agree. Have a DC with a 34 ACT, but a 3.5 unweighted GPA, no honors classes (only offered for math/science but not in strengths - English/history/language). Hard to get DC to factor GPA in the search when there is a 34 ACT. Probably overshooting with the list.

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Anonymous wrote:Gtfo. An ACT score of 34 is in the 96th percentile and is roughly equivalent to a 1500. Just submit it. If you’re so concerned then have them retake for a 35 or 36. Jeez.

Also, not concerned at all. My child will go to college because he wants to. I am just trying to understand the range of schools he should be considering.

This is just ONE of many factors that will go into his acceptance.

It is good (and I think you know that) but is GPA is even more important. Rigor of classes. EC's High school.

Your question is odd and comes across as a humble brag, TBH.

Agree. Have a DC with a 34 ACT, but a 3.5 unweighted GPA, no honors classes (only offered for math/science but not in strengths - English/history/language). Hard to get DC to factor GPA in the search when there is a 34 ACT. Probably overshooting with the list.

PP, I agree: my kid seems to be using test score as a defining part of the search bc it feels more black and white.

FWIW, I find the idea of bragging on DCurbanmom a little funny - why would anyone spend time bragging (or caring) on an anonymous website? I have told you practically nothing about my kid - as you noted, nothing about HS rigor, grades or ECs, so how could it be a brag? If you read my other posts, I really was a little confused about this score - mostly by this board, frankly, which keeps highlighting 2021 admissions data that says how much test scores have creeped up over the past year. There also seems to be division on whether 34 is a solid score to get a kid considered or if you need a 35 at tops schools. There seems to be a lot of disagreement about a 34. Some posters practically say state flagship only while others tell your kid to throw their hat in the ring at a top 25 university. And, i don't mean that in a judgmental way both top-rated schools and "low" rated schools can be great experiences. I was simply trying to get some helpful color on recent trends before talking to the college counselor at kid's school, but I suppose that is really the only way to get reliable info (though there have been folks who have tried honestly help, and thank you to those people).

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Anonymous wrote:Gtfo. An ACT score of 34 is in the 96th percentile and is roughly equivalent to a 1500. Just submit it. If you’re so concerned then have them retake for a 35 or 36. Jeez.

Also, not concerned at all. My child will go to college because he wants to. I am just trying to understand the range of schools he should be considering.

This is just ONE of many factors that will go into his acceptance.

It is good (and I think you know that) but is GPA is even more important. Rigor of classes. EC's High school.

Your question is odd and comes across as a humble brag, TBH.

Agree. Have a DC with a 34 ACT, but a 3.5 unweighted GPA, no honors classes (only offered for math/science but not in strengths - English/history/language). Hard to get DC to factor GPA in the search when there is a 34 ACT. Probably overshooting with the list.

PP, I agree: my kid seems to be using test score as a defining part of the search bc it feels more black and white.

FWIW, I find the idea of bragging on DCurbanmom a little funny - why would anyone spend time bragging (or caring) on an anonymous website? I have told you practically nothing about my kid - as you noted, nothing about HS rigor, grades or ECs, so how could it be a brag? If you read my other posts, I really was a little confused about this score - mostly by this board, frankly, which keeps highlighting 2021 admissions data that says how much test scores have creeped up over the past year. There also seems to be division on whether 34 is a solid score to get a kid considered or if you need a 35 at tops schools. There seems to be a lot of disagreement about a 34. Some posters practically say state flagship only while others tell your kid to throw their hat in the ring at a top 25 university. And, i don't mean that in a judgmental way both top-rated schools and "low" rated schools can be great experiences. I was simply trying to get some helpful color on recent trends before talking to the college counselor at kid's school, but I suppose that is really the only way to get reliable info (though there have been folks who have tried honestly help, and thank you to those people).

Talk with your counselor about Naviance or whatever the equivalent is. If your kid is aiming for a top school, then yes, retest. A34 is the median for the entering class of UVA last year. The elite SLACs and top schools will want to see that and notwithstanding what others have said, a 35 or 36 does put you in a different "pile". And merit money may come your way. But if your child is not interested in tutoring and retesting then talk to your ocunselor about a range of schools that will be delighted with the 34 and his GPA and other stuff and apply early and widely. On the other hand, if you are a URM, first-generation, low-income, etc. etc., your son may do very well with the 34. Really, only your counselor and the Naviance charts will tell you.

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Anonymous wrote:Gtfo. An ACT score of 34 is in the 96th percentile and is roughly equivalent to a 1500. Just submit it. If you’re so concerned then have them retake for a 35 or 36. Jeez.

Also, not concerned at all. My child will go to college because he wants to. I am just trying to understand the range of schools he should be considering.

This is just ONE of many factors that will go into his acceptance.

It is good (and I think you know that) but is GPA is even more important. Rigor of classes. EC's High school.

Your question is odd and comes across as a humble brag, TBH.

Agree. Have a DC with a 34 ACT, but a 3.5 unweighted GPA, no honors classes (only offered for math/science but not in strengths - English/history/language). Hard to get DC to factor GPA in the search when there is a 34 ACT. Probably overshooting with the list.

PP, I agree: my kid seems to be using test score as a defining part of the search bc it feels more black and white.

FWIW, I find the idea of bragging on DCurbanmom a little funny - why would anyone spend time bragging (or caring) on an anonymous website? I have told you practically nothing about my kid - as you noted, nothing about HS rigor, grades or ECs, so how could it be a brag? If you read my other posts, I really was a little confused about this score - mostly by this board, frankly, which keeps highlighting 2021 admissions data that says how much test scores have creeped up over the past year. There also seems to be division on whether 34 is a solid score to get a kid considered or if you need a 35 at tops schools. There seems to be a lot of disagreement about a 34. Some posters practically say state flagship only while others tell your kid to throw their hat in the ring at a top 25 university. And, i don't mean that in a judgmental way both top-rated schools and "low" rated schools can be great experiences. I was simply trying to get some helpful color on recent trends before talking to the college counselor at kid's school, but I suppose that is really the only way to get reliable info (though there have been folks who have tried honestly help, and thank you to those people).

Talk with your counselor about Naviance or whatever the equivalent is. If your kid is aiming for a top school, then yes, retest. A34 is the median for the entering class of UVA last year. The elite SLACs and top schools will want to see that and notwithstanding what others have said, a 35 or 36 does put you in a different "pile". And merit money may come your way. But if your child is not interested in tutoring and retesting then talk to your ocunselor about a range of schools that will be delighted with the 34 and his GPA and other stuff and apply early and widely. On the other hand, if you are a URM, first-generation, low-income, etc. etc., your son may do very well with the 34. Really, only your counselor and the Naviance charts will tell you.

Multiple posts on why 2021 stats aren’t particularly relevant, 34 was 75th percentile for uva 2020-2018.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I wasn’t clear. He is looking at schools where a 34 is mid range (33-35). So a 34 is right in the middle. So that would be a situation where score should not hurt (but probably also not help). Am I thinking about that correctly?

Thanks.

Oh I get it now. Yes, a 34 shouldn't hurt his chances anywhere. Those top schools (top 30 or so) admission is less stats driven so unless he brings other factors/hooks, good stats are really nonevermind kinda thing...

Thank you. That is what I hoping I guess- that I 34 would be worth submitting to get the app in the pile to be considered, so to speak.

Have a close relative who has worked in admissions at two select schools - nearly verbatim: "35/36 goes in one pile and 34 goes in another." It's a great score, but it doesn't get in that pile.

This is absolute total and unadulterated BS. Name the schools.

Well, UVA. 34 is the 50th percentile for kids who showed up last fall. 35 is the 75th percentile, so 25 percent of the attending class had something higher.

Last year’s numbers will skew higher because of the prevalence of kids who chose to not report. Those numbers will be smaller this year given that covid cancellations are no longer an excuse.

No, it’s been just about like that for every year DC was there. Every year the gpa and test scores creep up slightly. Same with W&M -they are almost in lockstep but W&M is just slightly behind in most categories. I think it’s actually the quality if applications there was a concomitant surge in applications to tge publics when parents reassessed their financial situation after the crash in Spring of 2020

Just looked at the statistics and a 34 would put a student in the 75th percentile for admitted students at UVA in 2018 to 2020 (fall of entrance). Guess your memory is wrong.

I’m citing the Official SCHEV statistics for students who showed up to UVA, campus in fall 2021. 75th percentile is a 35. 5Oth percentile is a 34. Look it Up: State Council Higher Education of Virginia. Every parent in Virginua should be familiar with that straight-forward reporting site.

This is only because half of the students accepted did not submit scores.

FALSE. The SCHEV scores are consistent with the last seven years of reports as our W&Ms. W&M has fallen slightly behind uVA if the goa, act and sat scores reported. Every year one or more categories creep up but nothing new here. I can provide earlier years scores if you like. Please bear in mind that these stats are the ones of students who actually showed up. The “accepted” class has even higher scores but many in-state top students use UVA as a safety so go to an IVy or top SLAC or top engineering school like MIT.

UVA’s own data quite clearly shows that a 34 is in the 75 th percentile for its freshman class for the past several years. https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

Since my DS got in six years ago, I've watched the stats. The GPA has risen slightly over the six years. SCHEV reports the 75th percentile being a 35 for enrolled students last fall, median at 34, bottom 25th at a 32. That seems right to me. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Well, the numbers are UVA’s own page for fall 2020 are different. That’s the point.[/quote]


And the State's (SCHEV's) are for Fall 2021 for actual enrolled students.

Sorry, typed 2021 out of habit. Fall 2020 actual enrollees.

You linked to 21-22 stats.

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Stop with all the UVA stats. That is not the only school out there. PP is obsessed with how UVA only has the best and brightest.