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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I wasn’t clear. He is looking at schools where a 34 is mid range (33-35). So a 34 is right in the middle. So that would be a situation where score should not hurt (but probably also not help). Am I thinking about that correctly?

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Oh I get it now. Yes, a 34 shouldn't hurt his chances anywhere. Those top schools (top 30 or so) admission is less stats driven so unless he brings other factors/hooks, good stats are really nonevermind kinda thing...

Thank you. That is what I hoping I guess- that I 34 would be worth submitting to get the app in the pile to be considered, so to speak.

Have a close relative who has worked in admissions at two select schools - nearly verbatim: "35/36 goes in one pile and 34 goes in another." It's a great score, but it doesn't get in that pile.

This is absolute total and unadulterated BS. Name the schools.

Well, UVA. 34 is the 50th percentile for kids who showed up last fall. 35 is the 75th percentile, so 25 percent of the attending class had something higher.

Last year’s numbers will skew higher because of the prevalence of kids who chose to not report. Those numbers will be smaller this year given that covid cancellations are no longer an excuse.

No, it’s been just about like that for every year DC was there. Every year the gpa and test scores creep up slightly. Same with W&M -they are almost in lockstep but W&M is just slightly behind in most categories. I think it’s actually the quality if applications there was a concomitant surge in applications to tge publics when parents reassessed their financial situation after the crash in Spring of 2020

Just looked at the statistics and a 34 would put a student in the 75th percentile for admitted students at UVA in 2018 to 2020 (fall of entrance). Guess your memory is wrong.

I’m citing the Official SCHEV statistics for students who showed up to UVA, campus in fall 2021. 75th percentile is a 35. 5Oth percentile is a 34. Look it Up: State Council Higher Education of Virginia. Every parent in Virginua should be familiar with that straight-forward reporting site.

This is only because half of the students accepted did not submit scores.

FALSE. The SCHEV scores are consistent with the last seven years of reports as our W&Ms. W&M has fallen slightly behind uVA if the goa, act and sat scores reported. Every year one or more categories creep up but nothing new here. I can provide earlier years scores if you like. Please bear in mind that these stats are the ones of students who actually showed up. The “accepted” class has even higher scores but many in-state top students use UVA as a safety so go to an IVy or top SLAC or top engineering school like MIT.

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Anonymous wrote:This board gives me whiplash. I just finished reading at least three posts that any high stats kids has no shot at getting into top schools with perfect scores and how every responder’s kid had 35 or 36 and got into only their safeties.

This board made it sound like a 34 could possibly hurt and the guide books were not to be trusted. So forgive me for being confused.

A 34 means that you've crossed the first cut and they will actually look at the rest of your application. 34/35/36 treated the same at upper tier schools.

Not necessarily. I am the PP with close relative who has worked in college admissions at two very (extremely?) selective schools for nearly two decades. 35/36 go into one pile, 34 into another. It does not mean that the latter pile is the reject pile, just that it goes into a different pile.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I wasn’t clear. He is looking at schools where a 34 is mid range (33-35). So a 34 is right in the middle. So that would be a situation where score should not hurt (but probably also not help). Am I thinking about that correctly?

Thanks.

Oh I get it now. Yes, a 34 shouldn't hurt his chances anywhere. Those top schools (top 30 or so) admission is less stats driven so unless he brings other factors/hooks, good stats are really nonevermind kinda thing...

Thank you. That is what I hoping I guess- that I 34 would be worth submitting to get the app in the pile to be considered, so to speak.

Have a close relative who has worked in admissions at two select schools - nearly verbatim: "35/36 goes in one pile and 34 goes in another." It's a great score, but it doesn't get in that pile.

Well, duh. But 33 goes into another pile, and 32 and below in another…. See how that works?

Sounds like you're good at sorting.

Relative said it because 34 is great score...but it is not a 35/36, so no need to get out over your skis.

I really have no idea why OP would think DC might consider test optional with that score. If the kid is coming from an aflluent school district/family, admissions will probably assume the ACT is 24 not 34 if the applicant goes test optional.

Duh. Exactly. Sorting is not decisive. You’re the one who implied that not having a 35/36 is determinative.

No, I didn't nor did my relative. I simply relayed that the relative said it goes into a different pile.

Meaning, what, exactly?

If someone is on the fence, then 35/36 may weigh more strongly in their favor than 34.

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DP -apparently you don’t want to hear this but there is a very big leap from 34 to 35/36. And yes colleges know this because they want those stats to report to USNWR and other ranking services. That why when you get to that level, the mid-tier SLACs who want to buy those scores will call your kid unsolicited and offer $24k- $30 scholarships. My DS got three of those calls. I picked up on if then snd and they offered a $24k scholarship for DC’s 34 but whe I said he had retaken I heard papers rustle and the she aid @oh then we can offer him our President’s scholarship of $3Ok so, yes, schools most definitely out there 35 and 36 in a “different oike@. I could relate for info but since you just want to keep saying “BS” you clearly don’t want to learn.

God, this is so, so, so idiotic!!!!

These must be mid-tier colleges that are offering $5K more merit money to kids who get a 35/36 on the ACT vs someone with a 34. A 34 is in the 99th percentile. It means exactly nothing IMHO except that the kid is pretty good at taking tests and knows something about a bunch of subjects taught in high school. Why is that extra point worth $5K?

This is why truly elite colleges do not offer merit scholarships. These idiotic tests (which are all about making $$ for these "non-profit" testing companies) are a measure of so little when it comes to a child's talents. High scores often correlate with intellectual ability, but not always. The moron who was the valedictorian in my kid's class got a very high test score. She can't think or reason or analyze, but she's very good at memorizing and taking tests.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I wasn’t clear. He is looking at schools where a 34 is mid range (33-35). So a 34 is right in the middle. So that would be a situation where score should not hurt (but probably also not help). Am I thinking about that correctly?

Thanks.

Oh I get it now. Yes, a 34 shouldn't hurt his chances anywhere. Those top schools (top 30 or so) admission is less stats driven so unless he brings other factors/hooks, good stats are really nonevermind kinda thing...

Thank you. That is what I hoping I guess- that I 34 would be worth submitting to get the app in the pile to be considered, so to speak.

Have a close relative who has worked in admissions at two select schools - nearly verbatim: "35/36 goes in one pile and 34 goes in another." It's a great score, but it doesn't get in that pile.

Well, duh. But 33 goes into another pile, and 32 and below in another…. See how that works?

Sounds like you're good at sorting.

Relative said it because 34 is great score...but it is not a 35/36, so no need to get out over your skis.

I really have no idea why OP would think DC might consider test optional with that score. If the kid is coming from an aflluent school district/family, admissions will probably assume the ACT is 24 not 34 if the applicant goes test optional.

Duh. Exactly. Sorting is not decisive. You’re the one who implied that not having a 35/36 is determinative.

No, I didn't nor did my relative. I simply relayed that the relative said it goes into a different pile.

Meaning, what, exactly?

If someone is on the fence, then 35/36 may weigh more strongly in their favor than 34.

Such BS[/quo


DP -apparently you don’t want to hear this but there is a very big leap from 34 to 35/36. And yes colleges know this because they want those stats to report to USNWR and other ranking services. That why when you get to that level, the mid-tier SLACs who want to buy those scores will call your kid unsolicited and offer $24k- $30 scholarships. My DS got three of those calls. I picked up on if then snd and they offered a $24k scholarship for DC’s 34 but whe I said he had retaken I heard papers rustle and the she aid @oh then we can offer him our President’s scholarship of $3Ok so, yes, schools most definitely out there 35 and 36 in a “different oike@. I could relate for info but since you just want to keep saying “BS” you clearly don’t want to learn.

God, this is so, so, so idiotic!!!!

These must be mid-tier colleges that are offering $5K more merit money to kids who get a 35/36 on the ACT vs someone with a 34. A 34 is in the 99th percentile. It means exactly nothing IMHO except that the kid is pretty good at taking tests and knows something about a bunch of subjects taught in high school. Why is that extra point worth $5K?

This is why truly elite colleges do not offer merit scholarships. These idiotic tests (which are all about making $$ for these "non-profit" testing companies) are a measure of so little when it comes to a child's talents. High scores often correlate with intellectual ability, but not always. The moron who was the valedictorian in my kid's class got a very high test score. She can't think or reason or analyze, but she's very good at memorizing and taking tests.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I wasn’t clear. He is looking at schools where a 34 is mid range (33-35). So a 34 is right in the middle. So that would be a situation where score should not hurt (but probably also not help). Am I thinking about that correctly?

Thanks.

Oh I get it now. Yes, a 34 shouldn't hurt his chances anywhere. Those top schools (top 30 or so) admission is less stats driven so unless he brings other factors/hooks, good stats are really nonevermind kinda thing...

Thank you. That is what I hoping I guess- that I 34 would be worth submitting to get the app in the pile to be considered, so to speak.

Have a close relative who has worked in admissions at two select schools - nearly verbatim: "35/36 goes in one pile and 34 goes in another." It's a great score, but it doesn't get in that pile.

Well, duh. But 33 goes into another pile, and 32 and below in another…. See how that works?

Sounds like you're good at sorting.

Relative said it because 34 is great score...but it is not a 35/36, so no need to get out over your skis.

I really have no idea why OP would think DC might consider test optional with that score. If the kid is coming from an aflluent school district/family, admissions will probably assume the ACT is 24 not 34 if the applicant goes test optional.

Duh. Exactly. Sorting is not decisive. You’re the one who implied that not having a 35/36 is determinative.

No, I didn't nor did my relative. I simply relayed that the relative said it goes into a different pile.

Meaning, what, exactly?

If someone is on the fence, then 35/36 may weigh more strongly in their favor than 34.

Such BS[/quo


DP -apparently you don’t want to hear this but there is a very big leap from 34 to 35/36. And yes colleges know this because they want those stats to report to USNWR and other ranking services. That why when you get to that level, the mid-tier SLACs who want to buy those scores will call your kid unsolicited and offer $24k- $30 scholarships. My DS got three of those calls. I picked up on if then snd and they offered a $24k scholarship for DC’s 34 but whe I said he had retaken I heard papers rustle and the she aid @oh then we can offer him our President’s scholarship of $3Ok so, yes, schools most definitely out there 35 and 36 in a “different oike@. I could relate for info but since you just want to keep saying “BS” you clearly don’t want to learn.

God, this is so, so, so idiotic!!!!

These must be mid-tier colleges that are offering $5K more merit money to kids who get a 35/36 on the ACT vs someone with a 34. A 34 is in the 99th percentile. It means exactly nothing IMHO except that the kid is pretty good at taking tests and knows something about a bunch of subjects taught in high school. Why is that extra point worth $5K?

This is why truly elite colleges do not offer merit scholarships. These idiotic tests (which are all about making $$ for these "non-profit" testing companies) are a measure of so little when it comes to a child's talents. High scores often correlate with intellectual ability, but not always. The moron who was the valedictorian in my kid's class got a very high test score. She can't think or reason or analyze, but she's very good at memorizing and taking tests.

All true. The system is broke. But the reason the mud and lower tier SLACs will get these scholarships is because they can record those scores to USNWR, thereby hoping to move up the rankings. This more high stats kids they have, the more elite the college appears. So these schools actively buy the stats that will push them up on rankings. The more elite schools don’t have to do this because they can hit all USNWR categories with the applicant class they receive.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I wasn’t clear. He is looking at schools where a 34 is mid range (33-35). So a 34 is right in the middle. So that would be a situation where score should not hurt (but probably also not help). Am I thinking about that correctly?

Thanks.

Oh I get it now. Yes, a 34 shouldn't hurt his chances anywhere. Those top schools (top 30 or so) admission is less stats driven so unless he brings other factors/hooks, good stats are really nonevermind kinda thing...

Thank you. That is what I hoping I guess- that I 34 would be worth submitting to get the app in the pile to be considered, so to speak.

Have a close relative who has worked in admissions at two select schools - nearly verbatim: "35/36 goes in one pile and 34 goes in another." It's a great score, but it doesn't get in that pile.

Well, duh. But 33 goes into another pile, and 32 and below in another…. See how that works?

Sounds like you're good at sorting.

Relative said it because 34 is great score...but it is not a 35/36, so no need to get out over your skis.

I really have no idea why OP would think DC might consider test optional with that score. If the kid is coming from an aflluent school district/family, admissions will probably assume the ACT is 24 not 34 if the applicant goes test optional.

Duh. Exactly. Sorting is not decisive. You’re the one who implied that not having a 35/36 is determinative.

No, I didn't nor did my relative. I simply relayed that the relative said it goes into a different pile.

Meaning, what, exactly?

If someone is on the fence, then 35/36 may weigh more strongly in their favor than 34.

Such BS[/quo


DP -apparently you don’t want to hear this but there is a very big leap from 34 to 35/36. And yes colleges know this because they want those stats to report to USNWR and other ranking services. That why when you get to that level, the mid-tier SLACs who want to buy those scores will call your kid unsolicited and offer $24k- $30 scholarships. My DS got three of those calls. I picked up on if then snd and they offered a $24k scholarship for DC’s 34 but whe I said he had retaken I heard papers rustle and the she aid @oh then we can offer him our President’s scholarship of $3Ok so, yes, schools most definitely out there 35 and 36 in a “different oike@. I could relate for info but since you just want to keep saying “BS” you clearly don’t want to learn.

God, this is so, so, so idiotic!!!!

These must be mid-tier colleges that are offering $5K more merit money to kids who get a 35/36 on the ACT vs someone with a 34. A 34 is in the 99th percentile. It means exactly nothing IMHO except that the kid is pretty good at taking tests and knows something about a bunch of subjects taught in high school. Why is that extra point worth $5K?

This is why truly elite colleges do not offer merit scholarships. These idiotic tests (which are all about making $$ for these "non-profit" testing companies) are a measure of so little when it comes to a child's talents. High scores often correlate with intellectual ability, but not always. The moron who was the valedictorian in my kid's class got a very high test score. She can't think or reason or analyze, but she's very good at memorizing and taking tests.

This may say more about your kid's school and class than it necessarily does about the tests. IDK any school where the val/sal slots are determined by their external test scores, but only by grades. And the tests can't be aced solely by memorizing. The student has to have some facility to do higher level math.

And FWIW, I've hated these test companies for the last 4 decades.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I wasn’t clear. He is looking at schools where a 34 is mid range (33-35). So a 34 is right in the middle. So that would be a situation where score should not hurt (but probably also not help). Am I thinking about that correctly?

Thanks.

Oh I get it now. Yes, a 34 shouldn't hurt his chances anywhere. Those top schools (top 30 or so) admission is less stats driven so unless he brings other factors/hooks, good stats are really nonevermind kinda thing...

Thank you. That is what I hoping I guess- that I 34 would be worth submitting to get the app in the pile to be considered, so to speak.

Have a close relative who has worked in admissions at two select schools - nearly verbatim: "35/36 goes in one pile and 34 goes in another." It's a great score, but it doesn't get in that pile.

This is absolute total and unadulterated BS. Name the schools.

Well, UVA. 34 is the 50th percentile for kids who showed up last fall. 35 is the 75th percentile, so 25 percent of the attending class had something higher.

Last year’s numbers will skew higher because of the prevalence of kids who chose to not report. Those numbers will be smaller this year given that covid cancellations are no longer an excuse.

No, it’s been just about like that for every year DC was there. Every year the gpa and test scores creep up slightly. Same with W&M -they are almost in lockstep but W&M is just slightly behind in most categories. I think it’s actually the quality if applications there was a concomitant surge in applications to tge publics when parents reassessed their financial situation after the crash in Spring of 2020

Just looked at the statistics and a 34 would put a student in the 75th percentile for admitted students at UVA in 2018 to 2020 (fall of entrance). Guess your memory is wrong.

I’m citing the Official SCHEV statistics for students who showed up to UVA, campus in fall 2021. 75th percentile is a 35. 5Oth percentile is a 34. Look it Up: State Council Higher Education of Virginia. Every parent in Virginua should be familiar with that straight-forward reporting site.

I don’t know why. The relevant statistics are admitted students. In any case, 2021 is an aberration due to the majority of kids not taking the test due to COVID cancellations. The prior three years are more relevant and for all three, a 34 was the 75 th percentile

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Anonymous wrote:The moron who was the valedictorian in my kid's class got a very high test score. She can't think or reason or analyze, but she's very good at memorizing and taking tests. [/quote

Wow, how did she hurt you or your kid (other than keeping your kid from being valedictorian)? That's a lot of hostility to hold towards a teenager.

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Anonymous wrote:The moron who was the valedictorian in my kid's class got a very high test score. She can't think or reason or analyze, but she's very good at memorizing and taking tests. [/quote

Wow, how did she hurt you or your kid (other than keeping your kid from being valedictorian)? That's a lot of hostility to hold towards a teenager.

Right?? Clearly the val is smarter than the PP's kid as the val figured out how to game the system.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I wasn’t clear. He is looking at schools where a 34 is mid range (33-35). So a 34 is right in the middle. So that would be a situation where score should not hurt (but probably also not help). Am I thinking about that correctly?

Thanks.

Oh I get it now. Yes, a 34 shouldn't hurt his chances anywhere. Those top schools (top 30 or so) admission is less stats driven so unless he brings other factors/hooks, good stats are really nonevermind kinda thing...

Thank you. That is what I hoping I guess- that I 34 would be worth submitting to get the app in the pile to be considered, so to speak.

Have a close relative who has worked in admissions at two select schools - nearly verbatim: "35/36 goes in one pile and 34 goes in another." It's a great score, but it doesn't get in that pile.

This is absolute total and unadulterated BS. Name the schools.

Well, UVA. 34 is the 50th percentile for kids who showed up last fall. 35 is the 75th percentile, so 25 percent of the attending class had something higher.

Last year’s numbers will skew higher because of the prevalence of kids who chose to not report. Those numbers will be smaller this year given that covid cancellations are no longer an excuse.

No, it’s been just about like that for every year DC was there. Every year the gpa and test scores creep up slightly. Same with W&M -they are almost in lockstep but W&M is just slightly behind in most categories. I think it’s actually the quality if applications there was a concomitant surge in applications to tge publics when parents reassessed their financial situation after the crash in Spring of 2020

Just looked at the statistics and a 34 would put a student in the 75th percentile for admitted students at UVA in 2018 to 2020 (fall of entrance). Guess your memory is wrong.

I’m citing the Official SCHEV statistics for students who showed up to UVA, campus in fall 2021. 75th percentile is a 35. 5Oth percentile is a 34. Look it Up: State Council Higher Education of Virginia. Every parent in Virginua should be familiar with that straight-forward reporting site.

This is only because half of the students accepted did not submit scores.

FALSE. The SCHEV scores are consistent with the last seven years of reports as our W&Ms. W&M has fallen slightly behind uVA if the goa, act and sat scores reported. Every year one or more categories creep up but nothing new here. I can provide earlier years scores if you like. Please bear in mind that these stats are the ones of students who actually showed up. The “accepted” class has even higher scores but many in-state top students use UVA as a safety so go to an IVy or top SLAC or top engineering school like MIT.

UVA’s own data quite clearly shows that a 34 is in the 75 th percentile for its freshman class for the past several years. https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I wasn’t clear. He is looking at schools where a 34 is mid range (33-35). So a 34 is right in the middle. So that would be a situation where score should not hurt (but probably also not help). Am I thinking about that correctly?

Thanks.

Oh I get it now. Yes, a 34 shouldn't hurt his chances anywhere. Those top schools (top 30 or so) admission is less stats driven so unless he brings other factors/hooks, good stats are really nonevermind kinda thing...

Thank you. That is what I hoping I guess- that I 34 would be worth submitting to get the app in the pile to be considered, so to speak.

Have a close relative who has worked in admissions at two select schools - nearly verbatim: "35/36 goes in one pile and 34 goes in another." It's a great score, but it doesn't get in that pile.

This is absolute total and unadulterated BS. Name the schools.

Well, UVA. 34 is the 50th percentile for kids who showed up last fall. 35 is the 75th percentile, so 25 percent of the attending class had something higher.

Last year’s numbers will skew higher because of the prevalence of kids who chose to not report. Those numbers will be smaller this year given that covid cancellations are no longer an excuse.

No, it’s been just about like that for every year DC was there. Every year the gpa and test scores creep up slightly. Same with W&M -they are almost in lockstep but W&M is just slightly behind in most categories. I think it’s actually the quality if applications there was a concomitant surge in applications to tge publics when parents reassessed their financial situation after the crash in Spring of 2020

Just looked at the statistics and a 34 would put a student in the 75th percentile for admitted students at UVA in 2018 to 2020 (fall of entrance). Guess your memory is wrong.

I’m citing the Official SCHEV statistics for students who showed up to UVA, campus in fall 2021. 75th percentile is a 35. 5Oth percentile is a 34. Look it Up: State Council Higher Education of Virginia. Every parent in Virginua should be familiar with that straight-forward reporting site.

This is only because half of the students accepted did not submit scores.

FALSE. The SCHEV scores are consistent with the last seven years of reports as our W&Ms. W&M has fallen slightly behind uVA if the goa, act and sat scores reported. Every year one or more categories creep up but nothing new here. I can provide earlier years scores if you like. Please bear in mind that these stats are the ones of students who actually showed up. The “accepted” class has even higher scores but many in-state top students use UVA as a safety so go to an IVy or top SLAC or top engineering school like MIT.

UVA’s own data quite clearly shows that a 34 is in the 75 th percentile for its freshman class for the past several years. https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

Since my DS got in six years ago, I've watched the stats. The GPA has risen slightly over the six years. SCHEV reports the 75th percentile being a 35 for enrolled students last fall, median at 34, bottom 25th at a 32. That seems right to me. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I wasn’t clear. He is looking at schools where a 34 is mid range (33-35). So a 34 is right in the middle. So that would be a situation where score should not hurt (but probably also not help). Am I thinking about that correctly?

Thanks.

Oh I get it now. Yes, a 34 shouldn't hurt his chances anywhere. Those top schools (top 30 or so) admission is less stats driven so unless he brings other factors/hooks, good stats are really nonevermind kinda thing...

Thank you. That is what I hoping I guess- that I 34 would be worth submitting to get the app in the pile to be considered, so to speak.

Have a close relative who has worked in admissions at two select schools - nearly verbatim: "35/36 goes in one pile and 34 goes in another." It's a great score, but it doesn't get in that pile.

This is absolute total and unadulterated BS. Name the schools.

Well, UVA. 34 is the 50th percentile for kids who showed up last fall. 35 is the 75th percentile, so 25 percent of the attending class had something higher.

Last year’s numbers will skew higher because of the prevalence of kids who chose to not report. Those numbers will be smaller this year given that covid cancellations are no longer an excuse.

No, it’s been just about like that for every year DC was there. Every year the gpa and test scores creep up slightly. Same with W&M -they are almost in lockstep but W&M is just slightly behind in most categories. I think it’s actually the quality if applications there was a concomitant surge in applications to tge publics when parents reassessed their financial situation after the crash in Spring of 2020

Just looked at the statistics and a 34 would put a student in the 75th percentile for admitted students at UVA in 2018 to 2020 (fall of entrance). Guess your memory is wrong.

I’m citing the Official SCHEV statistics for students who showed up to UVA, campus in fall 2021. 75th percentile is a 35. 5Oth percentile is a 34. Look it Up: State Council Higher Education of Virginia. Every parent in Virginua should be familiar with that straight-forward reporting site.

This is only because half of the students accepted did not submit scores.

FALSE. The SCHEV scores are consistent with the last seven years of reports as our W&Ms. W&M has fallen slightly behind uVA if the goa, act and sat scores reported. Every year one or more categories creep up but nothing new here. I can provide earlier years scores if you like. Please bear in mind that these stats are the ones of students who actually showed up. The “accepted” class has even higher scores but many in-state top students use UVA as a safety so go to an IVy or top SLAC or top engineering school like MIT.

UVA’s own data quite clearly shows that a 34 is in the 75 th percentile for its freshman class for the past several years. https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

Since my DS got in six years ago, I've watched the stats. The GPA has risen slightly over the six years. SCHEV reports the 75th percentile being a 35 for enrolled students last fall, median at 34, bottom 25th at a 32. That seems right to me. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Well, the numbers are UVA’s own page for fall 2020 are different. That’s the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I wasn’t clear. He is looking at schools where a 34 is mid range (33-35). So a 34 is right in the middle. So that would be a situation where score should not hurt (but probably also not help). Am I thinking about that correctly?

Thanks.

Oh I get it now. Yes, a 34 shouldn't hurt his chances anywhere. Those top schools (top 30 or so) admission is less stats driven so unless he brings other factors/hooks, good stats are really nonevermind kinda thing...

Thank you. That is what I hoping I guess- that I 34 would be worth submitting to get the app in the pile to be considered, so to speak.

Have a close relative who has worked in admissions at two select schools - nearly verbatim: "35/36 goes in one pile and 34 goes in another." It's a great score, but it doesn't get in that pile.

This is absolute total and unadulterated BS. Name the schools.

Well, UVA. 34 is the 50th percentile for kids who showed up last fall. 35 is the 75th percentile, so 25 percent of the attending class had something higher.

Last year’s numbers will skew higher because of the prevalence of kids who chose to not report. Those numbers will be smaller this year given that covid cancellations are no longer an excuse.

No, it’s been just about like that for every year DC was there. Every year the gpa and test scores creep up slightly. Same with W&M -they are almost in lockstep but W&M is just slightly behind in most categories. I think it’s actually the quality if applications there was a concomitant surge in applications to tge publics when parents reassessed their financial situation after the crash in Spring of 2020

Just looked at the statistics and a 34 would put a student in the 75th percentile for admitted students at UVA in 2018 to 2020 (fall of entrance). Guess your memory is wrong.

I’m citing the Official SCHEV statistics for students who showed up to UVA, campus in fall 2021. 75th percentile is a 35. 5Oth percentile is a 34. Look it Up: State Council Higher Education of Virginia. Every parent in Virginua should be familiar with that straight-forward reporting site.

This is only because half of the students accepted did not submit scores.

FALSE. The SCHEV scores are consistent with the last seven years of reports as our W&Ms. W&M has fallen slightly behind uVA if the goa, act and sat scores reported. Every year one or more categories creep up but nothing new here. I can provide earlier years scores if you like. Please bear in mind that these stats are the ones of students who actually showed up. The “accepted” class has even higher scores but many in-state top students use UVA as a safety so go to an IVy or top SLAC or top engineering school like MIT.

UVA’s own data quite clearly shows that a 34 is in the 75 th percentile for its freshman class for the past several years. https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

Since my DS got in six years ago, I've watched the stats. The GPA has risen slightly over the six years. SCHEV reports the 75th percentile being a 35 for enrolled students last fall, median at 34, bottom 25th at a 32. That seems right to me. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Those are the COVID test optional statistics that many posters have pointed out as outliers for fall 2021. Pre-covid the numbers were quite stable, and a 34 was the 7percentile for three years in a row. What seems right to you isn’t actually right. Hi

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I wasn’t clear. He is looking at schools where a 34 is mid range (33-35). So a 34 is right in the middle. So that would be a situation where score should not hurt (but probably also not help). Am I thinking about that correctly?

Thanks.

Oh I get it now. Yes, a 34 shouldn't hurt his chances anywhere. Those top schools (top 30 or so) admission is less stats driven so unless he brings other factors/hooks, good stats are really nonevermind kinda thing...

Thank you. That is what I hoping I guess- that I 34 would be worth submitting to get the app in the pile to be considered, so to speak.

Have a close relative who has worked in admissions at two select schools - nearly verbatim: "35/36 goes in one pile and 34 goes in another." It's a great score, but it doesn't get in that pile.

This is absolute total and unadulterated BS. Name the schools.

Well, UVA. 34 is the 50th percentile for kids who showed up last fall. 35 is the 75th percentile, so 25 percent of the attending class had something higher.

Last year’s numbers will skew higher because of the prevalence of kids who chose to not report. Those numbers will be smaller this year given that covid cancellations are no longer an excuse.

No, it’s been just about like that for every year DC was there. Every year the gpa and test scores creep up slightly. Same with W&M -they are almost in lockstep but W&M is just slightly behind in most categories. I think it’s actually the quality if applications there was a concomitant surge in applications to tge publics when parents reassessed their financial situation after the crash in Spring of 2020

Just looked at the statistics and a 34 would put a student in the 75th percentile for admitted students at UVA in 2018 to 2020 (fall of entrance). Guess your memory is wrong.

I’m citing the Official SCHEV statistics for students who showed up to UVA, campus in fall 2021. 75th percentile is a 35. 5Oth percentile is a 34. Look it Up: State Council Higher Education of Virginia. Every parent in Virginua should be familiar with that straight-forward reporting site.

This is only because half of the students accepted did not submit scores.

FALSE. The SCHEV scores are consistent with the last seven years of reports as our W&Ms. W&M has fallen slightly behind uVA if the goa, act and sat scores reported. Every year one or more categories creep up but nothing new here. I can provide earlier years scores if you like. Please bear in mind that these stats are the ones of students who actually showed up. The “accepted” class has even higher scores but many in-state top students use UVA as a safety so go to an IVy or top SLAC or top engineering school like MIT.

UVA’s own data quite clearly shows that a 34 is in the 75 th percentile for its freshman class for the past several years. https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

Since my DS got in six years ago, I've watched the stats. The GPA has risen slightly over the six years. SCHEV reports the 75th percentile being a 35 for enrolled students last fall, median at 34, bottom 25th at a 32. That seems right to me. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Those are the COVID test optional statistics that many posters have pointed out as outliers for fall 2021. Pre-covid the numbers were quite stable, and a 34 was the 7percentile for three years in a row. What seems right to you isn’t actually right. Hi

That should be 75th percentile, not 7th

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I wasn’t clear. He is looking at schools where a 34 is mid range (33-35). So a 34 is right in the middle. So that would be a situation where score should not hurt (but probably also not help). Am I thinking about that correctly?

Thanks.

Oh I get it now. Yes, a 34 shouldn't hurt his chances anywhere. Those top schools (top 30 or so) admission is less stats driven so unless he brings other factors/hooks, good stats are really nonevermind kinda thing...

Thank you. That is what I hoping I guess- that I 34 would be worth submitting to get the app in the pile to be considered, so to speak.

Have a close relative who has worked in admissions at two select schools - nearly verbatim: "35/36 goes in one pile and 34 goes in another." It's a great score, but it doesn't get in that pile.

This is absolute total and unadulterated BS. Name the schools.

Well, UVA. 34 is the 50th percentile for kids who showed up last fall. 35 is the 75th percentile, so 25 percent of the attending class had something higher.

Last year’s numbers will skew higher because of the prevalence of kids who chose to not report. Those numbers will be smaller this year given that covid cancellations are no longer an excuse.

No, it’s been just about like that for every year DC was there. Every year the gpa and test scores creep up slightly. Same with W&M -they are almost in lockstep but W&M is just slightly behind in most categories. I think it’s actually the quality if applications there was a concomitant surge in applications to tge publics when parents reassessed their financial situation after the crash in Spring of 2020

Just looked at the statistics and a 34 would put a student in the 75th percentile for admitted students at UVA in 2018 to 2020 (fall of entrance). Guess your memory is wrong.

I’m citing the Official SCHEV statistics for students who showed up to UVA, campus in fall 2021. 75th percentile is a 35. 5Oth percentile is a 34. Look it Up: State Council Higher Education of Virginia. Every parent in Virginua should be familiar with that straight-forward reporting site.

This is only because half of the students accepted did not submit scores.

FALSE. The SCHEV scores are consistent with the last seven years of reports as our W&Ms. W&M has fallen slightly behind uVA if the goa, act and sat scores reported. Every year one or more categories creep up but nothing new here. I can provide earlier years scores if you like. Please bear in mind that these stats are the ones of students who actually showed up. The “accepted” class has even higher scores but many in-state top students use UVA as a safety so go to an IVy or top SLAC or top engineering school like MIT.

UVA’s own data quite clearly shows that a 34 is in the 75 th percentile for its freshman class for the past several years. https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

Since my DS got in six years ago, I've watched the stats. The GPA has risen slightly over the six years. SCHEV reports the 75th percentile being a 35 for enrolled students last fall, median at 34, bottom 25th at a 32. That seems right to me. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Well, the numbers are UVA’s own page for fall 2020 are different. That’s the point.[/quote]


And the State's (SCHEV's) are for Fall 2021 for actual enrolled students.