School reform ( NOT demographic change) drove achievement

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people on this thread arguing with Muriel and her various deputy mayors. These are the only people who would sit and defend this sham.

Lol, to make them feel bad about their ghoulish policies?

Well that seems a little overwrought

Not when you consider the amount of $$ poured down the drain of "Ed reformers"

As opposed to the money DCPS pours down the drain just being itself?

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2020/04/16/835924020/d-c-public-schools-lose-millions-in-federal-money-for-head-start

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people on this thread arguing with Muriel and her various deputy mayors. These are the only people who would sit and defend this sham.

Lol, to make them feel bad about their ghoulish policies?

Well that seems a little overwrought

Not when you consider the amount of $$ poured down the drain of "Ed reformers"

As opposed to the money DCPS pours down the drain just being itself?

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2020/04/16/835924020/d-c-public-schools-lose-millions-in-federal-money-for-head-start

And this one right here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/dc-is-misspending-millions-of-dollars-intended-to-help-the-citys-poorest-students/2018/04/14/6006c02a-3788-11e8-9c0a-85d477d9a226_story.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people on this thread arguing with Muriel and her various deputy mayors. These are the only people who would sit and defend this sham.

Lol, to make them feel bad about their ghoulish policies?

Well that seems a little overwrought

Not when you consider the amount of $$ poured down the drain of "Ed reformers"

As opposed to the money DCPS pours down the drain just being itself?

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2020/04/16/835924020/d-c-public-schools-lose-millions-in-federal-money-for-head-start

And this one right here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/dc-is-misspending-millions-of-dollars-intended-to-help-the-citys-poorest-students/2018/04/14/6006c02a-3788-11e8-9c0a-85d477d9a226_story.html

Funding mess:

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/186341/dc-public-schools-central-office-appears-bloated-and-opaque/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people on this thread arguing with Muriel and her various deputy mayors. These are the only people who would sit and defend this sham.

Lol, to make them feel bad about their ghoulish policies?

Well that seems a little overwrought

Not when you consider the amount of $$ poured down the drain of "Ed reformers"

As opposed to the money DCPS pours down the drain just being itself?

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2020/04/16/835924020/d-c-public-schools-lose-millions-in-federal-money-for-head-start

And this one right here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/dc-is-misspending-millions-of-dollars-intended-to-help-the-citys-poorest-students/2018/04/14/6006c02a-3788-11e8-9c0a-85d477d9a226_story.html

Funding mess:

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/186341/dc-public-schools-central-office-appears-bloated-and-opaque/

I’ll also add the millions and millions for shiny new school renovations of low performing under-enrolled middle and high schools that have made no difference in increasing enrollment or academic performance. In fact most renovations ran a few more millions over budget.

Better money would have been spent to do a modest renovation and funnel most of it to student services such as after school tutoring, social workers, school counseling, etc…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people on this thread arguing with Muriel and her various deputy mayors. These are the only people who would sit and defend this sham.

Lol, to make them feel bad about their ghoulish policies?

Well that seems a little overwrought

Not when you consider the amount of $$ poured down the drain of "Ed reformers"

As opposed to the money DCPS pours down the drain just being itself?

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2020/04/16/835924020/d-c-public-schools-lose-millions-in-federal-money-for-head-start

And this one right here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/dc-is-misspending-millions-of-dollars-intended-to-help-the-citys-poorest-students/2018/04/14/6006c02a-3788-11e8-9c0a-85d477d9a226_story.html

Funding mess:

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/186341/dc-public-schools-central-office-appears-bloated-and-opaque/

I’ll also add the millions and millions for shiny new school renovations of low performing under-enrolled middle and high schools that have made no difference in increasing enrollment or academic performance. In fact most renovations ran a few more millions over budget.

Better money would have been spent to do a modest renovation and funnel most of it to student services such as after school tutoring, social workers, school counseling, etc…

Good point. Only ric-- I mean students who scored high on standardized tests deserve high quality buildings. There's really no other measure of a students worth.

And before you get all up in arms, I'm well ahead of you on criticizing DCPS for wasting money.

[Anonymous]

Here is an informative take down of the industry-funded research by DCPS mom and Ed data researcher Dr. Betsy Wolf: https://twitter.com/betsyjwolf/status/1437578931390058504?s=21

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an informative take down of the industry-funded research by DCPS mom and Ed data researcher Dr. Betsy Wolf: https://twitter.com/betsyjwolf/status/1437578931390058504?s=21

Ok blah blah blah. Bottom line—no one can argue that things are worse than they were before school reform/ charter expansion began. Students are doing better overall—and can still improve. Let’s celebrate that. Who cares if, as Dr. Betsy Wolf adds, some people “didn’t like” the reforms. FFS did she not see what was here before? It was horrific.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's pretty clear that a public service as vital and complex as schools needs a single point of contact for administration and legal control. An elected school board seems like a HORRIBLE way to oversee schools. The exact opposite of what we need.

Charter schools definitely seem to have proven themselves in DC. But, it does seem undeniable that they hollow out neighborhood schools.

I'll deny it right here:

DCPS ( neighborhood schools ) enrollment in SY 2011-12: 45,191

DCPS ( neighborhood schools ) enrollment in SY 2019-20: 51,036

DCPS ( neighborhood schools ) enrollment in pandemic year 2020-21 slightly down: 49,890

It is *undeniable* that both charter and DCPS sectors have grown and improved over the last decade.

https://dcps.dc.gov/page/dcps-glance-enrollment

Do they break this out by individual school? Sure, the overall population has grown but which schools are over-enrolled and which schools are under-enrolled ( hollowed out)?

I don't mean necessarily by enrollment size, but by the cohort of grade-level kids and parents with resources to improve the schools that are siphoned off to charters. We talk about this ALL THE TIME here wrt Ward 6. I don't necessarily think this is a negative overall (I'm definitely considering charter options) but we see in Ward 6 that the charter pathway hollows out the neighborhood MS and HS without at doubt.

I wish people would check their facts before saying something like this

2011-12 enrollment audit

Stuart Hobson MS: 403
Eliot-Hine MS: 348
Jefferson Academy + Middle School: 263
Eastern HS: 303

2019-20 enrollment audit

Stuart Hobson MS: increase to 487
Eliot Hine: overall decrease to 262 ( but this is an increase from 209 in 2015-16)
Jefferson Academy: increase to 353
Eastern HS: increase to 792

Check your facts. Don't believe everything you casually hear.

look, I’m dealing with this right now - 50% of our 4th grade class will peel off to go to a charter instead of IB MS. Every single year.

Moreover, most of the remaining 5th graders will not attend the IB MS. Of the six dozen 4th graders enrolled at Brent in fall 2019, not even a dozen are attending Jefferson Academy as 6th graders this fall. There are more than twice as many 6th grade Brent graduates at BASIS than at the IB MS (and there would have been even more if BASIS had cleared its 5th grade WL last year). Maury and SWS (feeders for Eliot-Hine) see similar drop-offs, mostly to charters.

The increases we've seen in enrollment in Ward 6 neighborhood middle schools in the last decade have mainly been fueled by OOB enrollment. It's telling that white percentages at all four of the schools above have only nudged up slightly in the last decade, even as populations of white children have surged in their catchment areas. Catchment areas for all four of these schools are now majority white, while white percentages in the schools remain in the single digits at several of them. White enrollment has risen into the teens only at Stuart Hobson.

Who earned a victory leap with these stats?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an informative take down of the industry-funded research by DCPS mom and Ed data researcher Dr. Betsy Wolf: https://twitter.com/betsyjwolf/status/1437578931390058504?s=21

Ok blah blah blah. Bottom line—no one can argue that things are worse than they were before school reform/ charter expansion began. Students are doing better overall—and can still improve. Let’s celebrate that. Who cares if, as Dr. Betsy Wolf adds, some people “didn’t like” the reforms. FFS did she not see what was here before? It was horrific.

That doesn't mean that what happened during that time caused the change. Do you see why that's really important?

It's like people who think that because their favorite sports team won a game when they were wearing their special red underpants that it is because of their special red underpants that the team won. And now insists on wearing their ratty special underpants to help their team win.

Causation matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is an informative take down of the industry-funded research by DCPS mom and Ed data researcher Dr. Betsy Wolf: https://twitter.com/betsyjwolf/status/1437578931390058504?s=21

Ok blah blah blah. Bottom line—no one can argue that things are worse than they were before school reform/ charter expansion began. Students are doing better overall—and can still improve. Let’s celebrate that. Who cares if, as Dr. Betsy Wolf adds, some people “didn’t like” the reforms. FFS did she not see what was here before? It was horrific.

That doesn't mean that what happened during that time caused the change. Do you see why that's really important?

It's like people who think that because their favorite sports team won a game when they were wearing their special red underpants that it is because of their special red underpants that the team won. And now insists on wearing their ratty special underpants to help their team win.

Causation matters.

That’s pretty far fetched and offensive. It wasn’t magic that happened. We can list a number of things that happened all under the umbrella of “school reform” and assume that some combination of those factors has kept enrollments rising and academic indicators slowly creeping up. We know the status quo didn’t do that, neither did red underwear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is an informative take down of the industry-funded research by DCPS mom and Ed data researcher Dr. Betsy Wolf: https://twitter.com/betsyjwolf/status/1437578931390058504?s=21

You mean union apologist Dr Betsy Wolf.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's pretty clear that a public service as vital and complex as schools needs a single point of contact for administration and legal control. An elected school board seems like a HORRIBLE way to oversee schools. The exact opposite of what we need.

Charter schools definitely seem to have proven themselves in DC. But, it does seem undeniable that they hollow out neighborhood schools.

I'll deny it right here:

DCPS ( neighborhood schools ) enrollment in SY 2011-12: 45,191

DCPS ( neighborhood schools ) enrollment in SY 2019-20: 51,036

DCPS ( neighborhood schools ) enrollment in pandemic year 2020-21 slightly down: 49,890

It is *undeniable* that both charter and DCPS sectors have grown and improved over the last decade.

https://dcps.dc.gov/page/dcps-glance-enrollment

Do they break this out by individual school? Sure, the overall population has grown but which schools are over-enrolled and which schools are under-enrolled ( hollowed out)?

I don't mean necessarily by enrollment size, but by the cohort of grade-level kids and parents with resources to improve the schools that are siphoned off to charters. We talk about this ALL THE TIME here wrt Ward 6. I don't necessarily think this is a negative overall (I'm definitely considering charter options) but we see in Ward 6 that the charter pathway hollows out the neighborhood MS and HS without at doubt.

I wish people would check their facts before saying something like this

2011-12 enrollment audit

Stuart Hobson MS: 403
Eliot-Hine MS: 348
Jefferson Academy + Middle School: 263
Eastern HS: 303

2019-20 enrollment audit

Stuart Hobson MS: increase to 487
Eliot Hine: overall decrease to 262 ( but this is an increase from 209 in 2015-16)
Jefferson Academy: increase to 353
Eastern HS: increase to 792

Check your facts. Don't believe everything you casually hear.

look, I’m dealing with this right now - 50% of our 4th grade class will peel off to go to a charter instead of IB MS. Every single year.

Moreover, most of the remaining 5th graders will not attend the IB MS. Of the six dozen 4th graders enrolled at Brent in fall 2019, not even a dozen are attending Jefferson Academy as 6th graders this fall. There are more than twice as many 6th grade Brent graduates at BASIS than at the IB MS (and there would have been even more if BASIS had cleared its 5th grade WL last year). Maury and SWS (feeders for Eliot-Hine) see similar drop-offs, mostly to charters.

The increases we've seen in enrollment in Ward 6 neighborhood middle schools in the last decade have mainly been fueled by OOB enrollment. It's telling that white percentages at all four of the schools above have only nudged up slightly in the last decade, even as populations of white children have surged in their catchment areas. Catchment areas for all four of these schools are now majority white, while white percentages in the schools remain in the single digits at several of them. White enrollment has risen into the teens only at Stuart Hobson.

Who earned a victory leap with these stats?

actually IB Elliot Hine enrollment is increasing a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is an informative take down of the industry-funded research by DCPS mom and Ed data researcher Dr. Betsy Wolf: https://twitter.com/betsyjwolf/status/1437578931390058504?s=21

Ok blah blah blah. Bottom line—no one can argue that things are worse than they were before school reform/ charter expansion began. Students are doing better overall—and can still improve. Let’s celebrate that. Who cares if, as Dr. Betsy Wolf adds, some people “didn’t like” the reforms. FFS did she not see what was here before? It was horrific.

That doesn't mean that what happened during that time caused the change. Do you see why that's really important?

It's like people who think that because their favorite sports team won a game when they were wearing their special red underpants that it is because of their special red underpants that the team won. And now insists on wearing their ratty special underpants to help their team win.

Causation matters.

That’s pretty far fetched and offensive. It wasn’t magic that happened. We can list a number of things that happened all under the umbrella of “school reform” and assume that some combination of those factors has kept enrollments rising and academic indicators slowly creeping up. We know the status quo didn’t do that, neither did red underwear.

You really don't know which factors played a big role any more than red underpants.

Was it funding? Public spotlight? Gentrification? This study does not (really could not with available data) tell you.

So why are you offended? Is it that hard to give up your assumptions about how education works?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait — so Michelle Rhee wasn’t crazy after all?

Can we bring her back please?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people on this thread arguing with Muriel and her various deputy mayors. These are the only people who would sit and defend this sham.

Lol, to make them feel bad about their ghoulish policies?

Well that seems a little overwrought

Not when you consider the amount of $$ poured down the drain of "Ed reformers"

As opposed to the money DCPS pours down the drain just being itself?

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2020/04/16/835924020/d-c-public-schools-lose-millions-in-federal-money-for-head-start

And this one right here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/dc-is-misspending-millions-of-dollars-intended-to-help-the-citys-poorest-students/2018/04/14/6006c02a-3788-11e8-9c0a-85d477d9a226_story.html

Funding mess:

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/186341/dc-public-schools-central-office-appears-bloated-and-opaque/

I’ll also add the millions and millions for shiny new school renovations of low performing under-enrolled middle and high schools that have made no difference in increasing enrollment or academic performance. In fact most renovations ran a few more millions over budget.

Better money would have been spent to do a modest renovation and funnel most of it to student services such as after school tutoring, social workers, school counseling, etc…

+1000!