ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to put a statement out that says no changes for 25-26 so we can stop going in circles and they focus on roll out plan for 26.

If ECNL tries to bring on SY earlier it will likely push players to BY leagues if MLSN + GA stays BY.

💯 this!
With this development ECNL has to now also retain a BY option (and stay aligned to national & international standards) or they will lose their top players & teams.
Or maybe the breakdown in youth soccer will now be be ECNL (SY) becomes largely the REC level league and MSLN-GA (BY) is where the highly competitive players go (as already occurring on the boys side).

All the bickering over ECNL vs MLSN/GA aside, wouldn't it work better if each metro area had just one funded academy arranged by BY, and the rest of the youth system was arranged by SY? They could still play each other in whatever league or tournaments, with the cutoff being SY to allow a slight (4 month) advantage for the non-academy teams to challenge them. Only the BY academy teams need to travel around the country all the time - the masses of SY teams can stay regional. That would keep our very best arranged by BY for youth national teams, and ensure that they had local competition that was given a slight advantage to challenge them. And that's still probably 10x the number of kids in the BY academies compared to the amount that will actually go pro.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to put a statement out that says no changes for 25-26 so we can stop going in circles and they focus on roll out plan for 26.

If ECNL tries to bring on SY earlier it will likely push players to BY leagues if MLSN + GA stays BY.

💯 this!
With this development ECNL has to now also retain a BY option (and stay aligned to national & international standards) or they will lose their top players & teams.
Or maybe the breakdown in youth soccer will now be be ECNL (SY) becomes largely the REC level league and MSLN-GA (BY) is where the highly competitive players go (as already occurring on the boys side).

All the bickering over ECNL vs MLSN/GA aside, wouldn't it work better if each metro area had just one funded academy arranged by BY, and the rest of the youth system was arranged by SY? They could still play each other in whatever league or tournaments, with the cutoff being SY to allow a slight (4 month) advantage for the non-academy teams to challenge them. Only the BY academy teams need to travel around the country all the time - the masses of SY teams can stay regional. That would keep our very best arranged by BY for youth national teams, and ensure that they had local competition that was given a slight advantage to challenge them. And that's still probably 10x the number of kids in the BY academies compared to the amount that will actually go pro.

That is too reasonable, not happening!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to put a statement out that says no changes for 25-26 so we can stop going in circles and they focus on roll out plan for 26.

If ECNL tries to bring on SY earlier it will likely push players to BY leagues if MLSN + GA stays BY.

💯 this!
With this development ECNL has to now also retain a BY option (and stay aligned to national & international standards) or they will lose their top players & teams.
Or maybe the breakdown in youth soccer will now be be ECNL (SY) becomes largely the REC level league and MSLN-GA (BY) is where the highly competitive players go (as already occurring on the boys side).

All the bickering over ECNL vs MLSN/GA aside, wouldn't it work better if each metro area had just one funded academy arranged by BY, and the rest of the youth system was arranged by SY? They could still play each other in whatever league or tournaments, with the cutoff being SY to allow a slight (4 month) advantage for the non-academy teams to challenge them. Only the BY academy teams need to travel around the country all the time - the masses of SY teams can stay regional. That would keep our very best arranged by BY for youth national teams, and ensure that they had local competition that was given a slight advantage to challenge them. And that's still probably 10x the number of kids in the BY academies compared to the amount that will actually go pro.

Or all go school year and just have a birth year exhibition summer league for YNT scouting purposes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to put a statement out that says no changes for 25-26 so we can stop going in circles and they focus on roll out plan for 26.

If ECNL tries to bring on SY earlier it will likely push players to BY leagues if MLSN + GA stays BY.

💯 this!
With this development ECNL has to now also retain a BY option (and stay aligned to national & international standards) or they will lose their top players & teams.
Or maybe the breakdown in youth soccer will now be be ECNL (SY) becomes largely the REC level league and MSLN-GA (BY) is where the highly competitive players go (as already occurring on the boys side).

Misread. There is 2 sides to a coin. ECNL will attract Q3-4 and MLSN/GA will attract Q1-2.

But MLS/GA will have to go younger with some type of BY age groups or best Q1-2 players will be weeded out/ discouraged by U13.

[Anonymous]

someone help me understand the issue

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to put a statement out that says no changes for 25-26 so we can stop going in circles and they focus on roll out plan for 26.

If ECNL tries to bring on SY earlier it will likely push players to BY leagues if MLSN + GA stays BY.

💯 this!
With this development ECNL has to now also retain a BY option (and stay aligned to national & international standards) or they will lose their top players & teams.
Or maybe the breakdown in youth soccer will now be be ECNL (SY) becomes largely the REC level league and MSLN-GA (BY) is where the highly competitive players go (as already occurring on the boys side).

Misread. There is 2 sides to a coin. ECNL will attract Q3-4 and MLSN/GA will attract Q1-2.

But MLS/GA will have to go younger with some type of BY age groups or best Q1-2 players will be weeded out/ discouraged by U13.

like the current Q3/Q4 players - it's all so ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

How many boys are recruited from ECNL to USNT rosters? Very few. Almost all are in MLS academys anyway. Even at the u15 level the boys are on MLS first team rosters or in International clubs. You don't need a special league struture to see these kids are quality. They are like picking zebras from a herd of cows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to put a statement out that says no changes for 25-26 so we can stop going in circles and they focus on roll out plan for 26.

If ECNL tries to bring on SY earlier it will likely push players to BY leagues if MLSN + GA stays BY.

💯 this!
With this development ECNL has to now also retain a BY option (and stay aligned to national & international standards) or they will lose their top players & teams.
Or maybe the breakdown in youth soccer will now be be ECNL (SY) becomes largely the REC level league and MSLN-GA (BY) is where the highly competitive players go (as already occurring on the boys side).

Luckily, not everyone is as stupid as you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to put a statement out that says no changes for 25-26 so we can stop going in circles and they focus on roll out plan for 26.

If ECNL tries to bring on SY earlier it will likely push players to BY leagues if MLSN + GA stays BY.

💯 this!
With this development ECNL has to now also retain a BY option (and stay aligned to national & international standards) or they will lose their top players & teams.
Or maybe the breakdown in youth soccer will now be be ECNL (SY) becomes largely the REC level league and MSLN-GA (BY) is where the highly competitive players go (as already occurring on the boys side).

All the bickering over ECNL vs MLSN/GA aside, wouldn't it work better if each metro area had just one funded academy arranged by BY, and the rest of the youth system was arranged by SY? They could still play each other in whatever league or tournaments, with the cutoff being SY to allow a slight (4 month) advantage for the non-academy teams to challenge them. Only the BY academy teams need to travel around the country all the time - the masses of SY teams can stay regional. That would keep our very best arranged by BY for youth national teams, and ensure that they had local competition that was given a slight advantage to challenge them. And that's still probably 10x the number of kids in the BY academies compared to the amount that will actually go pro.

That is too reasonable, not happening!

Don't you dare deny the club directors and league presidents of the pay-to-play U.S. youth soccer ecosystem their right to make a living. They have families to feed too!!!

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know anything about USSF's sporting director Matt Crocker? His bio say's he was with Southhampton F.C. from the premier league. It would be interesting to hear his take on this debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to put a statement out that says no changes for 25-26 so we can stop going in circles and they focus on roll out plan for 26.

If ECNL tries to bring on SY earlier it will likely push players to BY leagues if MLSN + GA stays BY.

💯 this!
With this development ECNL has to now also retain a BY option (and stay aligned to national & international standards) or they will lose their top players & teams.
Or maybe the breakdown in youth soccer will now be be ECNL (SY) becomes largely the REC level league and MSLN-GA (BY) is where the highly competitive players go (as already occurring on the boys side).

All the bickering over ECNL vs MLSN/GA aside, wouldn't it work better if each metro area had just one funded academy arranged by BY, and the rest of the youth system was arranged by SY? They could still play each other in whatever league or tournaments, with the cutoff being SY to allow a slight (4 month) advantage for the non-academy teams to challenge them. Only the BY academy teams need to travel around the country all the time - the masses of SY teams can stay regional. That would keep our very best arranged by BY for youth national teams, and ensure that they had local competition that was given a slight advantage to challenge them. And that's still probably 10x the number of kids in the BY academies compared to the amount that will actually go pro.

What about metro areas with no pro teams to fund an academy? In many areas there aren't enough players to only have regional teams. They need to travel far to find good competition. Then there is the whole thing about college recruiting which is the primary reason these national leagues exist in the first place - to provide a centralized place where college coaches can go and see all the players. Organizing the system around going pro and fielding national teams comes at the expense of the majority, and the majority is where the money comes from. Youth soccer in the US is first and foremost a business because it isn't popular enough in the US to have pro teams with lucrative TV contracts to fund academies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to put a statement out that says no changes for 25-26 so we can stop going in circles and they focus on roll out plan for 26.

If ECNL tries to bring on SY earlier it will likely push players to BY leagues if MLSN + GA stays BY.

💯 this!
With this development ECNL has to now also retain a BY option (and stay aligned to national & international standards) or they will lose their top players & teams.
Or maybe the breakdown in youth soccer will now be be ECNL (SY) becomes largely the REC level league and MSLN-GA (BY) is where the highly competitive players go (as already occurring on the boys side).

All the bickering over ECNL vs MLSN/GA aside, wouldn't it work better if each metro area had just one funded academy arranged by BY, and the rest of the youth system was arranged by SY? They could still play each other in whatever league or tournaments, with the cutoff being SY to allow a slight (4 month) advantage for the non-academy teams to challenge them. Only the BY academy teams need to travel around the country all the time - the masses of SY teams can stay regional. That would keep our very best arranged by BY for youth national teams, and ensure that they had local competition that was given a slight advantage to challenge them. And that's still probably 10x the number of kids in the BY academies compared to the amount that will actually go pro.

What about metro areas with no pro teams to fund an academy? In many areas there aren't enough players to only have regional teams. They need to travel far to find good competition. Then there is the whole thing about college recruiting which is the primary reason these national leagues exist in the first place - to provide a centralized place where college coaches can go and see all the players. Organizing the system around going pro and fielding national teams comes at the expense of the majority, and the majority is where the money comes from. Youth soccer in the US is first and foremost a business because it isn't popular enough in the US to have pro teams with lucrative TV contracts to fund academies.

MLS should align themselves with USL teams, like the MLB with their farm clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to put a statement out that says no changes for 25-26 so we can stop going in circles and they focus on roll out plan for 26.

If ECNL tries to bring on SY earlier it will likely push players to BY leagues if MLSN + GA stays BY.

💯 this!
With this development ECNL has to now also retain a BY option (and stay aligned to national & international standards) or they will lose their top players & teams.
Or maybe the breakdown in youth soccer will now be be ECNL (SY) becomes largely the REC level league and MSLN-GA (BY) is where the highly competitive players go (as already occurring on the boys side).

All the bickering over ECNL vs MLSN/GA aside, wouldn't it work better if each metro area had just one funded academy arranged by BY, and the rest of the youth system was arranged by SY? They could still play each other in whatever league or tournaments, with the cutoff being SY to allow a slight (4 month) advantage for the non-academy teams to challenge them. Only the BY academy teams need to travel around the country all the time - the masses of SY teams can stay regional. That would keep our very best arranged by BY for youth national teams, and ensure that they had local competition that was given a slight advantage to challenge them. And that's still probably 10x the number of kids in the BY academies compared to the amount that will actually go pro.

What about metro areas with no pro teams to fund an academy? In many areas there aren't enough players to only have regional teams. They need to travel far to find good competition. Then there is the whole thing about college recruiting which is the primary reason these national leagues exist in the first place - to provide a centralized place where college coaches can go and see all the players. Organizing the system around going pro and fielding national teams comes at the expense of the majority, and the majority is where the money comes from. Youth soccer in the US is first and foremost a business because it isn't popular enough in the US to have pro teams with lucrative TV contracts to fund academies.

MLS should align themselves with USL teams, like the MLB with their farm clubs.

They did, it ended.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to put a statement out that says no changes for 25-26 so we can stop going in circles and they focus on roll out plan for 26.

If ECNL tries to bring on SY earlier it will likely push players to BY leagues if MLSN + GA stays BY.

💯 this!
With this development ECNL has to now also retain a BY option (and stay aligned to national & international standards) or they will lose their top players & teams.
Or maybe the breakdown in youth soccer will now be be ECNL (SY) becomes largely the REC level league and MSLN-GA (BY) is where the highly competitive players go (as already occurring on the boys side).

All the bickering over ECNL vs MLSN/GA aside, wouldn't it work better if each metro area had just one funded academy arranged by BY, and the rest of the youth system was arranged by SY? They could still play each other in whatever league or tournaments, with the cutoff being SY to allow a slight (4 month) advantage for the non-academy teams to challenge them. Only the BY academy teams need to travel around the country all the time - the masses of SY teams can stay regional. That would keep our very best arranged by BY for youth national teams, and ensure that they had local competition that was given a slight advantage to challenge them. And that's still probably 10x the number of kids in the BY academies compared to the amount that will actually go pro.

What about metro areas with no pro teams to fund an academy? In many areas there aren't enough players to only have regional teams. They need to travel far to find good competition. Then there is the whole thing about college recruiting which is the primary reason these national leagues exist in the first place - to provide a centralized place where college coaches can go and see all the players. Organizing the system around going pro and fielding national teams comes at the expense of the majority, and the majority is where the money comes from. Youth soccer in the US is first and foremost a business because it isn't popular enough in the US to have pro teams with lucrative TV contracts to fund academies.

MLS should align themselves with USL teams, like the MLB with their farm clubs.

They did, it ended.

MLSN Pro killed the partnership it seems. Do you think promotion and relegation would work in the US?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to put a statement out that says no changes for 25-26 so we can stop going in circles and they focus on roll out plan for 26.

If ECNL tries to bring on SY earlier it will likely push players to BY leagues if MLSN + GA stays BY.

💯 this!
With this development ECNL has to now also retain a BY option (and stay aligned to national & international standards) or they will lose their top players & teams.
Or maybe the breakdown in youth soccer will now be be ECNL (SY) becomes largely the REC level league and MSLN-GA (BY) is where the highly competitive players go (as already occurring on the boys side).

All the bickering over ECNL vs MLSN/GA aside, wouldn't it work better if each metro area had just one funded academy arranged by BY, and the rest of the youth system was arranged by SY? They could still play each other in whatever league or tournaments, with the cutoff being SY to allow a slight (4 month) advantage for the non-academy teams to challenge them. Only the BY academy teams need to travel around the country all the time - the masses of SY teams can stay regional. That would keep our very best arranged by BY for youth national teams, and ensure that they had local competition that was given a slight advantage to challenge them. And that's still probably 10x the number of kids in the BY academies compared to the amount that will actually go pro.

What about metro areas with no pro teams to fund an academy? In many areas there aren't enough players to only have regional teams. They need to travel far to find good competition. Then there is the whole thing about college recruiting which is the primary reason these national leagues exist in the first place - to provide a centralized place where college coaches can go and see all the players. Organizing the system around going pro and fielding national teams comes at the expense of the majority, and the majority is where the money comes from. Youth soccer in the US is first and foremost a business because it isn't popular enough in the US to have pro teams with lucrative TV contracts to fund academies.

MLS should align themselves with USL teams, like the MLB with their farm clubs.

They did, it ended.

MLSN Pro killed the partnership it seems. Do you think promotion and relegation would work in the US?

Here's a 1665 page thread to consider: https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/the-all-encompassing-pro-rel-thread-on-soccer-in-the-usa.2029961/

Short answer - NO