Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think when you set rules like no opposite sex siblings alone, no hugging your opposite sibling you sort of force your children to sexualize their siblings. So nasty.

I cannot imagine if as a child I had to give my brother some lame side hug and was never able to hang out with him alone... because I might stir up something sexual in him.

Barf. Duggars can kiss my grits too.

Seriously. And the fact that these poor girls were dressing like little house on the prairie characters all to avoid stirring up those desires that "cannot be righteously fulfilled" and they were still being raped at home by their brother tells you how successful their parents' strategy was.

Please don't use the word "rape" when you mean something that isnt rape. If you did mean that, please provide a source.

Jana is extremely withdrawn and has yet to attempt a courtship with anyone. She has been sent to special camps several times to learn to obey, to learn to keep opinions to herself. There has been evidence that her twin wants as little to do with his family and Josh as possible. While this is speculative since she was the closest in age to Josh I wouldn't be surprised if she got the worse of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a textbook study in how the rape culture works, how entire communities conspire to abet and protect sexual predators while silencing and retraumatizing victims.

Josh Duggar did not make "mistakes." He sexually preyed on multiple girls while they slept. And then he got away with it, because virtually everyone else around him was invested in making sure that he would.

An entire community, that grew bigger year by year, rallied behind a sexual predator to protect him. And now they stand behind him still, talking about his repeated predation as "mistakes."

Sexual assault is not "a mistake."

But certainly that's the way it must be framed for parents, church leaders, police, members of the community, in-laws, a wife, television executives, and now fans to speak in grave tones about the redemptive forgiveness of god and to convince themselves that it was just a blip in an otherwise exemplary life—while diligently ignoring the profound trauma of Josh Duggar's victims and the secondary trauma caused by a lack of justice lingering under the heavy shadow of his carefully maintained public image as a model of virtue.

I agree with a lot of what you've said, but what do you think would have happened to a 14 year old molester? It's not like he would get a jail sentence or get put on the sex offender registry. Realistically, what kind of sentence do you think he'd receive?

14:10 at 14 he could be placed on the offender registry, there is precedence for this. He could have indeed served time in a juvenile court and if it had been found (not saying this is fact) that he was habitually sexually assaulting his siblings and others past this "one offense" then they may have even tried to prosecute him as an adult. Which we will never know, because this was all swept under the rug.

What would I have liked done? Intensive therapy for him and intervention from the juvenile courts the minute this came to light. Also if he was returned to his parents custody as a minor I would have separated him from his siblings. As in his physical residence. As much as I love my two sons and would support them through absolutely everything, finding it in my heart to forgive them, this is exactly what I would have done, had one molested one or both of his little sisters. I would allow his sisters the dignity to chose to forgive him or not.

Given that minor's records are sealed, how do you think he could be put on a registry? I really hope we don't ever charge 14 year olds as adults, for anything. That would be a tragic failure of our justice system. Fourteen year olds are not adults.

[Anonymous]

I read that a judge ordered the records destroyed the other day and that it was done. Is this true?

Also, I read that he fondled girls top and bottom but didn't read about rape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read that a judge ordered the records destroyed the other day and that it was done. Is this true?

Also, I read that he fondled girls top and bottom but didn't read about rape.

A poster here seems to have assumed he's a racist because of one person's behavior on camera.

[Anonymous]

Rapist, not racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a textbook study in how the rape culture works, how entire communities conspire to abet and protect sexual predators while silencing and retraumatizing victims.

Josh Duggar did not make "mistakes." He sexually preyed on multiple girls while they slept. And then he got away with it, because virtually everyone else around him was invested in making sure that he would.

An entire community, that grew bigger year by year, rallied behind a sexual predator to protect him. And now they stand behind him still, talking about his repeated predation as "mistakes."

Sexual assault is not "a mistake."

But certainly that's the way it must be framed for parents, church leaders, police, members of the community, in-laws, a wife, television executives, and now fans to speak in grave tones about the redemptive forgiveness of god and to convince themselves that it was just a blip in an otherwise exemplary life—while diligently ignoring the profound trauma of Josh Duggar's victims and the secondary trauma caused by a lack of justice lingering under the heavy shadow of his carefully maintained public image as a model of virtue.

I agree with a lot of what you've said, but what do you think would have happened to a 14 year old molester? It's not like he would get a jail sentence or get put on the sex offender registry. Realistically, what kind of sentence do you think he'd receive?

14:10 at 14 he could be placed on the offender registry, there is precedence for this. He could have indeed served time in a juvenile court and if it had been found (not saying this is fact) that he was habitually sexually assaulting his siblings and others past this "one offense" then they may have even tried to prosecute him as an adult. Which we will never know, because this was all swept under the rug.

What would I have liked done? Intensive therapy for him and intervention from the juvenile courts the minute this came to light. Also if he was returned to his parents custody as a minor I would have separated him from his siblings. As in his physical residence. As much as I love my two sons and would support them through absolutely everything, finding it in my heart to forgive them, this is exactly what I would have done, had one molested one or both of his little sisters. I would allow his sisters the dignity to chose to forgive him or not.

Given that minor's records are sealed, how do you think he could be put on a registry? I really hope we don't ever charge 14 year olds as adults, for anything. That would be a tragic failure of our justice system. Fourteen year olds are not adults.

You can google and find plenty of examples. Here is one: http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3483364 14 year old sexually assaulting a 4 year old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a textbook study in how the rape culture works, how entire communities conspire to abet and protect sexual predators while silencing and retraumatizing victims.

Josh Duggar did not make "mistakes." He sexually preyed on multiple girls while they slept. And then he got away with it, because virtually everyone else around him was invested in making sure that he would.

An entire community, that grew bigger year by year, rallied behind a sexual predator to protect him. And now they stand behind him still, talking about his repeated predation as "mistakes."

Sexual assault is not "a mistake."

But certainly that's the way it must be framed for parents, church leaders, police, members of the community, in-laws, a wife, television executives, and now fans to speak in grave tones about the redemptive forgiveness of god and to convince themselves that it was just a blip in an otherwise exemplary life—while diligently ignoring the profound trauma of Josh Duggar's victims and the secondary trauma caused by a lack of justice lingering under the heavy shadow of his carefully maintained public image as a model of virtue.

I agree with a lot of what you've said, but what do you think would have happened to a 14 year old molester? It's not like he would get a jail sentence or get put on the sex offender registry. Realistically, what kind of sentence do you think he'd receive?

14:10 at 14 he could be placed on the offender registry, there is precedence for this. He could have indeed served time in a juvenile court and if it had been found (not saying this is fact) that he was habitually sexually assaulting his siblings and others past this "one offense" then they may have even tried to prosecute him as an adult. Which we will never know, because this was all swept under the rug.

What would I have liked done? Intensive therapy for him and intervention from the juvenile courts the minute this came to light. Also if he was returned to his parents custody as a minor I would have separated him from his siblings. As in his physical residence. As much as I love my two sons and would support them through absolutely everything, finding it in my heart to forgive them, this is exactly what I would have done, had one molested one or both of his little sisters. I would allow his sisters the dignity to chose to forgive him or not.

Given that minor's records are sealed, how do you think he could be put on a registry? I really hope we don't ever charge 14 year olds as adults, for anything. That would be a tragic failure of our justice system. Fourteen year olds are not adults.

You can google and find plenty of examples. Here is one: http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3483364 14 year old sexually assaulting a 4 year old.

That's for people convicted of "horrific sex crimes" and only allowed in a few states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read that a judge ordered the records destroyed the other day and that it was done. Is this true?

Also, I read that he fondled girls top and bottom but didn't read about rape.

A poster here seems to have assumed he's a racist because of one person's behavior on camera.

Definitions of rape (warning triggers on page) https://www.rainn.org/get-information/types-of-sexual-assault/was-it-rape

Touching their genitals fits withing the definition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a textbook study in how the rape culture works, how entire communities conspire to abet and protect sexual predators while silencing and retraumatizing victims.

Josh Duggar did not make "mistakes." He sexually preyed on multiple girls while they slept. And then he got away with it, because virtually everyone else around him was invested in making sure that he would.

An entire community, that grew bigger year by year, rallied behind a sexual predator to protect him. And now they stand behind him still, talking about his repeated predation as "mistakes."

Sexual assault is not "a mistake."

But certainly that's the way it must be framed for parents, church leaders, police, members of the community, in-laws, a wife, television executives, and now fans to speak in grave tones about the redemptive forgiveness of god and to convince themselves that it was just a blip in an otherwise exemplary life—while diligently ignoring the profound trauma of Josh Duggar's victims and the secondary trauma caused by a lack of justice lingering under the heavy shadow of his carefully maintained public image as a model of virtue.

I agree with a lot of what you've said, but what do you think would have happened to a 14 year old molester? It's not like he would get a jail sentence or get put on the sex offender registry. Realistically, what kind of sentence do you think he'd receive?

14:10 at 14 he could be placed on the offender registry, there is precedence for this. He could have indeed served time in a juvenile court and if it had been found (not saying this is fact) that he was habitually sexually assaulting his siblings and others past this "one offense" then they may have even tried to prosecute him as an adult. Which we will never know, because this was all swept under the rug.

What would I have liked done? Intensive therapy for him and intervention from the juvenile courts the minute this came to light. Also if he was returned to his parents custody as a minor I would have separated him from his siblings. As in his physical residence. As much as I love my two sons and would support them through absolutely everything, finding it in my heart to forgive them, this is exactly what I would have done, had one molested one or both of his little sisters. I would allow his sisters the dignity to chose to forgive him or not.

Given that minor's records are sealed, how do you think he could be put on a registry? I really hope we don't ever charge 14 year olds as adults, for anything. That would be a tragic failure of our justice system. Fourteen year olds are not adults.

You can google and find plenty of examples. Here is one: http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3483364 14 year old sexually assaulting a 4 year old.

That's for people convicted of "horrific sex crimes" and only allowed in a few states.

Yes and we do not know how horrific or not his crimes were because it was squashed and never went to court.

[Anonymous]

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Yes and we do not know how horrific or not his crimes were because it was squashed and never went to court.

There was an investigation by CPS and an admission by Josh Duggar. It would not be considered a horrific sex crime. Please stop being dramatic and making things up. I asked you to give a realistic idea of what his sentence could be, and you've been unable to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read that a judge ordered the records destroyed the other day and that it was done. Is this true?

Also, I read that he fondled girls top and bottom but didn't read about rape.

A poster here seems to have assumed he's a racist because of one person's behavior on camera.

Definitions of rape (warning triggers on page) https://www.rainn.org/get-information/types-of-sexual-assault/was-it-rape

Touching their genitals fits withing the definition.

Fondling is not the same thing as penetration. Your attempt to redefine "rape" is offensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yes and we do not know how horrific or not his crimes were because it was squashed and never went to court.

There was an investigation by CPS and an admission by Josh Duggar. It would not be considered a horrific sex crime. Please stop being dramatic and making things up. I asked you to give a realistic idea of what his sentence could be, and you've been unable to do it.

This was my answer to your question which I do not find unrealistic: 14:10 at 14 he could be placed on the offender registry, there is precedence for this. He could have indeed served time in a juvenile court and if it had been found (not saying this is fact) that he was habitually sexually assaulting his siblings and others past this "one offense" then they may have even tried to prosecute him as an adult. Which we will never know, because this was all swept under the rug.

What would I have liked done? Intensive therapy for him and intervention from the juvenile courts the minute this came to light. Also if he was returned to his parents custody as a minor I would have separated him from his siblings. As in his physical residence. As much as I love my two sons and would support them through absolutely everything, finding it in my heart to forgive them, this is exactly what I would have done, had one molested one or both of his little sisters. I would allow his sisters the dignity to chose to forgive him or not.

I wasn't the poster who gave the link.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read that a judge ordered the records destroyed the other day and that it was done. Is this true?

Also, I read that he fondled girls top and bottom but didn't read about rape.

A poster here seems to have assumed he's a racist because of one person's behavior on camera.

Definitions of rape (warning triggers on page) https://www.rainn.org/get-information/types-of-sexual-assault/was-it-rape

Touching their genitals fits withing the definition.

Fondling is not the same thing as penetration. Your attempt to redefine "rape" is offensive.

From the definition (triggers) "“Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."

Your attempt to make light of it is offensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read that a judge ordered the records destroyed the other day and that it was done. Is this true?

Also, I read that he fondled girls top and bottom but didn't read about rape.

A poster here seems to have assumed he's a racist because of one person's behavior on camera.

Definitions of rape (warning triggers on page) https://www.rainn.org/get-information/types-of-sexual-assault/was-it-rape

Touching their genitals fits withing the definition.

Fondling is not the same thing as penetration. Your attempt to redefine "rape" is offensive.

From the definition (triggers) "“Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."

Your attempt to make light of it is offensive.

It's fondling, not rape.

Your dramatics are offensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read that a judge ordered the records destroyed the other day and that it was done. Is this true?

Also, I read that he fondled girls top and bottom but didn't read about rape.

A poster here seems to have assumed he's a racist because of one person's behavior on camera.

Definitions of rape (warning triggers on page) https://www.rainn.org/get-information/types-of-sexual-assault/was-it-rape

Touching their genitals fits withing the definition.

Fondling is not the same thing as penetration. Your attempt to redefine "rape" is offensive.

From the definition (triggers) "“Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."

Your attempt to make light of it is offensive.

It's fondling, not rape.

Your dramatics are offensive.

NP your need to make light of this situation is offensive.