FCPS Skyview Boundary Scenario 1/2/3

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Anonymous wrote:Navy/Oakton and Crossfield/Oakton shares same zip, same city.

Navy/Oakton and Crossfield/Oakton should stay together like before!

I have full respect for Crossfield families who advocate for their own kids, regardless of their preference.

That is actually not true.

You do not live within Oakton boundary, that is why you spread misinformation.

Why do you want to move other people's kids?

Why do you drive a wedge among Oakton parents?

Why do you drive a wedge between Oakton and Chantilly & Centreville parents?

I've come up with a new game: Guess the parent!!

This one above lives within Crossfield boundaries but has a child at Navy for AAP.

Dp

If true why would that make their concerns any less valid?

Personally I wish they never bought KAA for all the discord it's brought.

DCUM is not the whole thing.

Had they not bought Skyview, they would have more problems.

And, if Fox Mill stays at South Lakes, then they should go to Hughes.

And, sorry for the half of Crossfield parents that seem so upset, but they really should send Crossfield to Skyview. Any objective watcher would say this.

+100

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:...some factually incorrect information up here...

For the fewest split feeders, I think FCPS should consider:

Fox Mill – Carson – Skyview
Oak Hill – Carson – Skyview
Crossfield – Franklin – Oakton
Lees Corner – Rocky Run – Chantilly

Nah,
Fox Mill - Hughes - South Lakes
Oak Hill - Carson - Skyview
Crossfield - Carson - Skyview
Lees Corner - Franklin - Chantilly

+1

[Anonymous]

Out of curiosity, has anyone who has written school board members or the superintendent actually received a response?

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Anonymous wrote:Rocky Run is right next to Chantilly. Kids zoned to RR should all go to Chantilly (And I think now they do, except for the AAP kids).

They should but now Navy Oakton kids are getting rezoned there because Franklin MS is suddenly getting an elementary school that hasn’t been there in years and has priority apparently when they could just stay at Carson. Proximity doesn’t matter to these folks (they’re willing to commute all the way out to Oakton) so explain to me why should they all get moved over to Franklin while Navy kids will be split to different middle schools?

Really. I agree that there is difficulty with avoiding a split feeder. If Crossfield stays at Carson, then Oak Hill will stay at Franklin. Oak Hill is pretty certain to go to Skyview.

Honestly, Oak Hill and Crossfield should be at Carson/Skyview. Put Fox Mill at Hughes when AAP centers are in every middle school.

I would set Skyview boundary. Adjust Westfield on the edges and leave it be for a year or two. Then, work on the middle schools, if needed.

Franklin has been a split feeder forever--at least thirty years--maybe more. It's not optimum, but it is only two years.

Hughes is already a Center and there is no space for Fox Mill. Fox Mill should be at Skyview. There are Fox Mill kids within a mile of Skyview. We share a boundary with Floris and go to Oak Hill for AAP. Carson is right next door and we attend Carson. And most of us want to attend Skyview.

Let Crossfield stay at Oakton since that is where they want to be. And yes, I think that there are more Crossfield families that want to stay at Oakton then want to move to Skyview. The families that want to attend Skyview can pupil place for the specialized programs. They should be able to get permission to pick up a bus int he Fox Mill area or one of the other close by spots.

Hughes is not overcrowded. No need to lie.

DP.

Hughes is at 95% now and would be overcrowded if Fox Mill gets moved. I doubt it will happen.

The following middle school feeding pattern is plausible and very clean:

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview
Oak Hill - Carson - Skyview
Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton

This will minimize or eliminate the split feeding at Carson and help Franklin.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of factors that WXY and FCPS are looking at like distance and school utilization but the middle school to high school feeding pattern is often overlooked.

For this boundary study, we have six high schools and six middle schools.

The future middle to high school pyramids are:

Carson – Skyview
Hughes – South Lakes
Rocky Run – Chantilly
Franklin – Oakton
Stone – Westfield
Liberty – Centreville

FCPS should try to match up each middle school’s boundary with its high school as much as possible to keep split feeders to a minimum. Obviously, perfect matching isn’t possible for every pair. Franklin is pretty far from Oakton, so it doesn’t make sense for them to have identical boundaries.

But Carson, Hughes, and Rocky Run are right next to or really close to their high schools. Those three should have very similar boundaries, ideally the same.

I know people have mentioned the capacity differences, but we’re not trying to make every school have exactly the same utilization. That’s not the goal. The target is staying in the 85%–105% range, and we can definitely give those three pairs nearly identical boundaries.

Under Scenario 3, Hughes and South Lakes already have the exact same boundary, and Carson/Skyview are almost the same. Rocky Run and Chantilly are a little different but still pretty close under Scenario 1.

For the fewest split feeders, I think FCPS should consider:

Fox Mill – Carson – Skyview
Oak Hill – Carson – Skyview
Crossfield – Franklin – Oakton
Lees Corner – Rocky Run – Chantilly

But that doesn’t work. Stone is tiny - like 650 students. That extrapolates to 1300 kids at Westfield. That’s what, 50% capacity?

Stone would pick up the portion of Westfield that goes to Franklin and the Westfield AAP transfers. The middle school has had a program capacity between 850-950 in recent years, which would feed a high school close to 2000. So closer to 75% of Westfield’s capacity.

Meanwhile, when Carson sheds its AAP transfers, when matched with 2000 capacity Skyview, the school would also be sitting at under 75%.

And then there’s Franklin, which would be sitting miles outside of its attendance boundaries if you removed Oak Hill and Lees Corner.

They should be floating balanced split feeders vs imbalanced (ie one elementary goes out of pyramid for MS) with the community to see which one sticks. Otherwise, there’s going to be major capacity utilization issues and all the existing modulars and trailers will be shuffled around while school buildings down the road sit empty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Out of curiosity, has anyone who has written school board members or the superintendent actually received a response?

I received a generic thank you for your email response from Dixit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rocky Run is right next to Chantilly. Kids zoned to RR should all go to Chantilly (And I think now they do, except for the AAP kids).

They should but now Navy Oakton kids are getting rezoned there because Franklin MS is suddenly getting an elementary school that hasn’t been there in years and has priority apparently when they could just stay at Carson. Proximity doesn’t matter to these folks (they’re willing to commute all the way out to Oakton) so explain to me why should they all get moved over to Franklin while Navy kids will be split to different middle schools?

Really. I agree that there is difficulty with avoiding a split feeder. If Crossfield stays at Carson, then Oak Hill will stay at Franklin. Oak Hill is pretty certain to go to Skyview.

Honestly, Oak Hill and Crossfield should be at Carson/Skyview. Put Fox Mill at Hughes when AAP centers are in every middle school.

I would set Skyview boundary. Adjust Westfield on the edges and leave it be for a year or two. Then, work on the middle schools, if needed.

Franklin has been a split feeder forever--at least thirty years--maybe more. It's not optimum, but it is only two years.

Hughes is already a Center and there is no space for Fox Mill. Fox Mill should be at Skyview. There are Fox Mill kids within a mile of Skyview. We share a boundary with Floris and go to Oak Hill for AAP. Carson is right next door and we attend Carson. And most of us want to attend Skyview.

Let Crossfield stay at Oakton since that is where they want to be. And yes, I think that there are more Crossfield families that want to stay at Oakton then want to move to Skyview. The families that want to attend Skyview can pupil place for the specialized programs. They should be able to get permission to pick up a bus int he Fox Mill area or one of the other close by spots.

Hughes is not overcrowded. No need to lie.

DP.

Hughes is at 95% now and would be overcrowded if Fox Mill gets moved. I doubt it will happen.

The following middle school feeding pattern is plausible and very clean:

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview
Oak Hill - Carson - Skyview
Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton

This will minimize or eliminate the split feeding at Carson and help Franklin.

+1

Hughes will be fine. For proximity, it should be Crossfield-Carson-Skyview and Fix Mill-Hughes-South Lakes. This will eliminate split feeders and keep space at Franklin for when AAP ends and all the Navy and Waples kids come back in 2 years.

[Anonymous]

I should have added, Hughes will have space for Fox Mill when AAP Centers end. They should just go ahead and start that in 27-28 for the western middle schools to align with this change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of factors that WXY and FCPS are looking at like distance and school utilization but the middle school to high school feeding pattern is often overlooked.

For this boundary study, we have six high schools and six middle schools.

The future middle to high school pyramids are:

Carson – Skyview
Hughes – South Lakes
Rocky Run – Chantilly
Franklin – Oakton
Stone – Westfield
Liberty – Centreville

FCPS should try to match up each middle school’s boundary with its high school as much as possible to keep split feeders to a minimum. Obviously, perfect matching isn’t possible for every pair. Franklin is pretty far from Oakton, so it doesn’t make sense for them to have identical boundaries.

But Carson, Hughes, and Rocky Run are right next to or really close to their high schools. Those three should have very similar boundaries, ideally the same.

I know people have mentioned the capacity differences, but we’re not trying to make every school have exactly the same utilization. That’s not the goal. The target is staying in the 85%–105% range, and we can definitely give those three pairs nearly identical boundaries.

Under Scenario 3, Hughes and South Lakes already have the exact same boundary, and Carson/Skyview are almost the same. Rocky Run and Chantilly are a little different but still pretty close under Scenario 1.

For the fewest split feeders, I think FCPS should consider:

Fox Mill – Carson – Skyview
Oak Hill – Carson – Skyview
Crossfield – Franklin – Oakton
Lees Corner – Rocky Run – Chantilly

But that doesn’t work. Stone is tiny - like 650 students. That extrapolates to 1300 kids at Westfield. That’s what, 50% capacity?

Stone would pick up the portion of Westfield that goes to Franklin and the Westfield AAP transfers. The middle school has had a program capacity between 850-950 in recent years, which would feed a high school close to 2000. So closer to 75% of Westfield’s capacity.

Meanwhile, when Carson sheds its AAP transfers, when matched with 2000 capacity Skyview, the school would also be sitting at under 75%.

And then there’s Franklin, which would be sitting miles outside of its attendance boundaries if you removed Oak Hill and Lees Corner.

They should be floating balanced split feeders vs imbalanced (ie one elementary goes out of pyramid for MS) with the community to see which one sticks. Otherwise, there’s going to be major capacity utilization issues and all the existing modulars and trailers will be shuffled around while school buildings down the road sit empty.

There are maybe 30-40 Rocky Run AAP kids who go to Westfield each year.

I don't know how many come from Franklin but doubt its more than 100. That's a small sliver.

Not enough kids without finding some more neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

There is no point even messing with the middle schools. The capacities don't match up with the high schools in any logical way,
and none of them are overcrowded. Focus on reasonable HS boundaries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rocky Run is right next to Chantilly. Kids zoned to RR should all go to Chantilly (And I think now they do, except for the AAP kids).

They should but now Navy Oakton kids are getting rezoned there because Franklin MS is suddenly getting an elementary school that hasn’t been there in years and has priority apparently when they could just stay at Carson. Proximity doesn’t matter to these folks (they’re willing to commute all the way out to Oakton) so explain to me why should they all get moved over to Franklin while Navy kids will be split to different middle schools?

Really. I agree that there is difficulty with avoiding a split feeder. If Crossfield stays at Carson, then Oak Hill will stay at Franklin. Oak Hill is pretty certain to go to Skyview.

Honestly, Oak Hill and Crossfield should be at Carson/Skyview. Put Fox Mill at Hughes when AAP centers are in every middle school.

I would set Skyview boundary. Adjust Westfield on the edges and leave it be for a year or two. Then, work on the middle schools, if needed.

Franklin has been a split feeder forever--at least thirty years--maybe more. It's not optimum, but it is only two years.

Hughes is already a Center and there is no space for Fox Mill. Fox Mill should be at Skyview. There are Fox Mill kids within a mile of Skyview. We share a boundary with Floris and go to Oak Hill for AAP. Carson is right next door and we attend Carson. And most of us want to attend Skyview.

Let Crossfield stay at Oakton since that is where they want to be. And yes, I think that there are more Crossfield families that want to stay at Oakton then want to move to Skyview. The families that want to attend Skyview can pupil place for the specialized programs. They should be able to get permission to pick up a bus int he Fox Mill area or one of the other close by spots.

Hughes is not overcrowded. No need to lie.

DP.

Hughes is at 95% now and would be overcrowded if Fox Mill gets moved. I doubt it will happen.

The following middle school feeding pattern is plausible and very clean:

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview
Oak Hill - Carson - Skyview
Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton

This will minimize or eliminate the split feeding at Carson and help Franklin.

+1

Hughes will be fine. For proximity, it should be Crossfield-Carson-Skyview and Fix Mill-Hughes-South Lakes. This will eliminate split feeders and keep space at Franklin for when AAP ends and all the Navy and Waples kids come back in 2 years.

Sure, move me from a school 1.5 miles from my house to one 4 times the distance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of factors that WXY and FCPS are looking at like distance and school utilization but the middle school to high school feeding pattern is often overlooked.

For this boundary study, we have six high schools and six middle schools.

The future middle to high school pyramids are:

Carson – Skyview
Hughes – South Lakes
Rocky Run – Chantilly
Franklin – Oakton
Stone – Westfield
Liberty – Centreville

FCPS should try to match up each middle school’s boundary with its high school as much as possible to keep split feeders to a minimum. Obviously, perfect matching isn’t possible for every pair. Franklin is pretty far from Oakton, so it doesn’t make sense for them to have identical boundaries.

But Carson, Hughes, and Rocky Run are right next to or really close to their high schools. Those three should have very similar boundaries, ideally the same.

I know people have mentioned the capacity differences, but we’re not trying to make every school have exactly the same utilization. That’s not the goal. The target is staying in the 85%–105% range, and we can definitely give those three pairs nearly identical boundaries.

Under Scenario 3, Hughes and South Lakes already have the exact same boundary, and Carson/Skyview are almost the same. Rocky Run and Chantilly are a little different but still pretty close under Scenario 1.

For the fewest split feeders, I think FCPS should consider:

Fox Mill – Carson – Skyview
Oak Hill – Carson – Skyview
Crossfield – Franklin – Oakton
Lees Corner – Rocky Run – Chantilly

But that doesn’t work. Stone is tiny - like 650 students. That extrapolates to 1300 kids at Westfield. That’s what, 50% capacity?

Stone would pick up the portion of Westfield that goes to Franklin and the Westfield AAP transfers. The middle school has had a program capacity between 850-950 in recent years, which would feed a high school close to 2000. So closer to 75% of Westfield’s capacity.

Meanwhile, when Carson sheds its AAP transfers, when matched with 2000 capacity Skyview, the school would also be sitting at under 75%.

And then there’s Franklin, which would be sitting miles outside of its attendance boundaries if you removed Oak Hill and Lees Corner.

They should be floating balanced split feeders vs imbalanced (ie one elementary goes out of pyramid for MS) with the community to see which one sticks. Otherwise, there’s going to be major capacity utilization issues and all the existing modulars and trailers will be shuffled around while school buildings down the road sit empty.

There are maybe 30-40 Rocky Run AAP kids who go to Westfield each year.

I don't know how many come from Franklin but doubt its more than 100. That's a small sliver.

Not enough kids without finding some more neighborhoods.

Regardless of where the kids come from, the base capacity for Stone MS is less than 1000, which doesn’t align with a feeder high school with a capacity of 2700, just as a middle school with a 1400 student capacity doesn’t align with a high school that can only hold 2000 students. The solution to the middle school feeder problem will likely still involve split feeders due to the capacity mismatches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rocky Run is right next to Chantilly. Kids zoned to RR should all go to Chantilly (And I think now they do, except for the AAP kids).

They should but now Navy Oakton kids are getting rezoned there because Franklin MS is suddenly getting an elementary school that hasn’t been there in years and has priority apparently when they could just stay at Carson. Proximity doesn’t matter to these folks (they’re willing to commute all the way out to Oakton) so explain to me why should they all get moved over to Franklin while Navy kids will be split to different middle schools?

Really. I agree that there is difficulty with avoiding a split feeder. If Crossfield stays at Carson, then Oak Hill will stay at Franklin. Oak Hill is pretty certain to go to Skyview.

Honestly, Oak Hill and Crossfield should be at Carson/Skyview. Put Fox Mill at Hughes when AAP centers are in every middle school.

I would set Skyview boundary. Adjust Westfield on the edges and leave it be for a year or two. Then, work on the middle schools, if needed.

Franklin has been a split feeder forever--at least thirty years--maybe more. It's not optimum, but it is only two years.

Hughes is already a Center and there is no space for Fox Mill. Fox Mill should be at Skyview. There are Fox Mill kids within a mile of Skyview. We share a boundary with Floris and go to Oak Hill for AAP. Carson is right next door and we attend Carson. And most of us want to attend Skyview.

Let Crossfield stay at Oakton since that is where they want to be. And yes, I think that there are more Crossfield families that want to stay at Oakton then want to move to Skyview. The families that want to attend Skyview can pupil place for the specialized programs. They should be able to get permission to pick up a bus int he Fox Mill area or one of the other close by spots.

Hughes is not overcrowded. No need to lie.

DP.

Hughes is at 95% now and would be overcrowded if Fox Mill gets moved. I doubt it will happen.

The following middle school feeding pattern is plausible and very clean:

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview
Oak Hill - Carson - Skyview
Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton

This will minimize or eliminate the split feeding at Carson and help Franklin.

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Hughes will be fine. For proximity, it should be Crossfield-Carson-Skyview and Fix Mill-Hughes-South Lakes. This will eliminate split feeders and keep space at Franklin for when AAP ends and all the Navy and Waples kids come back in 2 years.

Sure, move me from a school 1.5 miles from my house to one 4 times the distance.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no point even messing with the middle schools. The capacities don't match up with the high schools in any logical way,
and none of them are overcrowded. Focus on reasonable HS boundaries.

Agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of factors that WXY and FCPS are looking at like distance and school utilization but the middle school to high school feeding pattern is often overlooked.

For this boundary study, we have six high schools and six middle schools.

The future middle to high school pyramids are:

Carson – Skyview
Hughes – South Lakes
Rocky Run – Chantilly
Franklin – Oakton
Stone – Westfield
Liberty – Centreville

FCPS should try to match up each middle school’s boundary with its high school as much as possible to keep split feeders to a minimum. Obviously, perfect matching isn’t possible for every pair. Franklin is pretty far from Oakton, so it doesn’t make sense for them to have identical boundaries.

But Carson, Hughes, and Rocky Run are right next to or really close to their high schools. Those three should have very similar boundaries, ideally the same.

I know people have mentioned the capacity differences, but we’re not trying to make every school have exactly the same utilization. That’s not the goal. The target is staying in the 85%–105% range, and we can definitely give those three pairs nearly identical boundaries.

Under Scenario 3, Hughes and South Lakes already have the exact same boundary, and Carson/Skyview are almost the same. Rocky Run and Chantilly are a little different but still pretty close under Scenario 1.

For the fewest split feeders, I think FCPS should consider:

Fox Mill – Carson – Skyview
Oak Hill – Carson – Skyview
Crossfield – Franklin – Oakton
Lees Corner – Rocky Run – Chantilly

But that doesn’t work. Stone is tiny - like 650 students. That extrapolates to 1300 kids at Westfield. That’s what, 50% capacity?

Stone would pick up the portion of Westfield that goes to Franklin and the Westfield AAP transfers. The middle school has had a program capacity between 850-950 in recent years, which would feed a high school close to 2000. So closer to 75% of Westfield’s capacity.

Meanwhile, when Carson sheds its AAP transfers, when matched with 2000 capacity Skyview, the school would also be sitting at under 75%.

And then there’s Franklin, which would be sitting miles outside of its attendance boundaries if you removed Oak Hill and Lees Corner.

They should be floating balanced split feeders vs imbalanced (ie one elementary goes out of pyramid for MS) with the community to see which one sticks. Otherwise, there’s going to be major capacity utilization issues and all the existing modulars and trailers will be shuffled around while school buildings down the road sit empty.

There are maybe 30-40 Rocky Run AAP kids who go to Westfield each year.

I don't know how many come from Franklin but doubt its more than 100. That's a small sliver.

Not enough kids without finding some more neighborhoods.

Regardless of where the kids come from, the base capacity for Stone MS is less than 1000, which doesn’t align with a feeder high school with a capacity of 2700, just as a middle school with a 1400 student capacity doesn’t align with a high school that can only hold 2000 students. The solution to the middle school feeder problem will likely still involve split feeders due to the capacity mismatches.

Correct. That is why right now Westfield is Stone-Franklin-Carson and Rocky Run AAP. When they built Westfield, Stone wasn't big enough to be the only feeder, which is why the boundaries were drawn the way they are now, to fill the school.