Wootton Announces They Have Formally Retained Silverman & Thompson

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is about a 30%-40% difference in math and reading proficiency scores between Fields road and the Wootton cluster elementary schools.

Why do you think this is? I will tell you why-parent engagement. Many of the lower performing elementary schools have parents that are working multiple jobs, The kids are left alone sometimes for extended periods. Academics takes a back seat. Not saying they have full control over this but this is the reality.

I love how some of you think these kids will magically become high performers when moved to Crown. I’m sure they already had great teachers who tried to push them to achieve. Unless you have a ton of internal motivation that simply doesn’t work.

So you are saying cohort doesn’t matter? In that case you shouldn’t worry about scores changing for any kids in either direction. So, no problem.

Their scores will affect the overall school rating, obviously.

Rating on what? Some made up site for strivers, like Niche?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is about a 30%-40% difference in math and reading proficiency scores between Fields road and the Wootton cluster elementary schools.

Why do you think this is? I will tell you why-parent engagement. Many of the lower performing elementary schools have parents that are working multiple jobs, The kids are left alone sometimes for extended periods. Academics takes a back seat. Not saying they have full control over this but this is the reality.

I love how some of you think these kids will magically become high performers when moved to Crown. I’m sure they already had great teachers who tried to push them to achieve. Unless you have a ton of internal motivation that simply doesn’t work.

So you are saying cohort doesn’t matter? In that case you shouldn’t worry about scores changing for any kids in either direction. So, no problem.

Their scores will affect the overall school rating, obviously.

Rating on what? Some made up site for strivers, like Niche?

It’s self segregation as they are ok with low achievers wishing their select group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is about a 30%-40% difference in math and reading proficiency scores between Fields road and the Wootton cluster elementary schools.

Why do you think this is? I will tell you why-parent engagement. Many of the lower performing elementary schools have parents that are working multiple jobs, The kids are left alone sometimes for extended periods. Academics takes a back seat. Not saying they have full control over this but this is the reality.

I love how some of you think these kids will magically become high performers when moved to Crown. I’m sure they already had great teachers who tried to push them to achieve. Unless you have a ton of internal motivation that simply doesn’t work.

So you are saying cohort doesn’t matter? In that case you shouldn’t worry about scores changing for any kids in either direction. So, no problem.

Their scores will affect the overall school rating, obviously.

Rating on what? Some made up site for strivers, like Niche?

The answer to your question is staring at you in the sentence that you quoted.

If test scores are so irrelevant for you, why bother sending kids to school to learn something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is about a 30%-40% difference in math and reading proficiency scores between Fields road and the Wootton cluster elementary schools.

Why do you think this is? I will tell you why-parent engagement. Many of the lower performing elementary schools have parents that are working multiple jobs, The kids are left alone sometimes for extended periods. Academics takes a back seat. Not saying they have full control over this but this is the reality.

I love how some of you think these kids will magically become high performers when moved to Crown. I’m sure they already had great teachers who tried to push them to achieve. Unless you have a ton of internal motivation that simply doesn’t work.

Exactly this. Why should families that worked hard for a home in the Wootton cluster have to send their kids to school with classmates who are less motivated, less engaged, and less successful?

If you are both real people posting in good faith about what you think about kids that attend Fields Road, I can tell you it sounds like your kids and your family as a whole will benefit a lot from being part of a community with kids from Fields Road. You will hopefully become less ignorant and more resilient. To those of us whose kids attend racially and socioeconomically diverse schools, it sounds like you are suffering greatly from disordered thinking, and I really hope you get better.

“disordered thinking” So you think the statistics about math and reading proficiency are made up?

You are saying that there are minimum qualifications to go to school at Wootton with high-achieving students, so that should be across the board and regardless of where kids live, they should be shut out without minimum GPA's, high level courses, and at least 1400 SAT (so 90%). There are kids at Wootton who are struggling - academically, homelife, and emotionally - look at some of the stuff that has happened there. Good families are subjective. You can have your basic needs met by money, but not emotionally or in other ways. Plenty of kids with mental health and other issues there, just like in all schools. Looking down on a parent who makes less than you and say their kids cannot go to school with yours, speaks volumes of your character. How much do you make? So, what if families who make more than you deem your salary not enough and want your kids out?

You are making this too emotional. It’s normal for people to want their kids to go to school with high achieving students. And I think we all want our kids to go to school with kids that are at least doing the bare minimum-being able to score proficiently on reading and math tests. These kids aren’t even meeting state benchmarks. We are not talking about a small gap in performance. We are talking about a huge gap. And you think it’s not going to make any difference? Although the curriculum is the “same” at every MCPS school-the reality of that is very different from school to school. Have you ever spoken to a teacher at a lower performing school? There is a huge difference in what is actually being covered when you have kids in the class that are so far behind. If there was a 5-10% difference this probably wouldn’t even be noticeable. But the kind of difference we are seeing here? Come on. When kids don’t have college/trade school etc… in their future they stop caring about school. Then they either drop out or barely pass-both of which have a negative effect on a school.

Go ask Churchill millionnaires about how much having Scotland in their district affects their childrens' learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is about a 30%-40% difference in math and reading proficiency scores between Fields road and the Wootton cluster elementary schools.

Why do you think this is? I will tell you why-parent engagement. Many of the lower performing elementary schools have parents that are working multiple jobs, The kids are left alone sometimes for extended periods. Academics takes a back seat. Not saying they have full control over this but this is the reality.

I love how some of you think these kids will magically become high performers when moved to Crown. I’m sure they already had great teachers who tried to push them to achieve. Unless you have a ton of internal motivation that simply doesn’t work.

Exactly this. Why should families that worked hard for a home in the Wootton cluster have to send their kids to school with classmates who are less motivated, less engaged, and less successful?

If you are both real people posting in good faith about what you think about kids that attend Fields Road, I can tell you it sounds like your kids and your family as a whole will benefit a lot from being part of a community with kids from Fields Road. You will hopefully become less ignorant and more resilient. To those of us whose kids attend racially and socioeconomically diverse schools, it sounds like you are suffering greatly from disordered thinking, and I really hope you get better.

“disordered thinking” So you think the statistics about math and reading proficiency are made up?

You are saying that there are minimum qualifications to go to school at Wootton with high-achieving students, so that should be across the board and regardless of where kids live, they should be shut out without minimum GPA's, high level courses, and at least 1400 SAT (so 90%). There are kids at Wootton who are struggling - academically, homelife, and emotionally - look at some of the stuff that has happened there. Good families are subjective. You can have your basic needs met by money, but not emotionally or in other ways. Plenty of kids with mental health and other issues there, just like in all schools. Looking down on a parent who makes less than you and say their kids cannot go to school with yours, speaks volumes of your character. How much do you make? So, what if families who make more than you deem your salary not enough and want your kids out?

You are making this too emotional. It’s normal for people to want their kids to go to school with high achieving students. And I think we all want our kids to go to school with kids that are at least doing the bare minimum-being able to score proficiently on reading and math tests. These kids aren’t even meeting state benchmarks. We are not talking about a small gap in performance. We are talking about a huge gap. And you think it’s not going to make any difference? Although the curriculum is the “same” at every MCPS school-the reality of that is very different from school to school. Have you ever spoken to a teacher at a lower performing school? There is a huge difference in what is actually being covered when you have kids in the class that are so far behind. If there was a 5-10% difference this probably wouldn’t even be noticeable. But the kind of difference we are seeing here? Come on. When kids don’t have college/trade school etc… in their future they stop caring about school. Then they either drop out or barely pass-both of which have a negative effect on a school.

Go ask Churchill millionnaires about how much having Scotland in their district affects their childrens' learning.

Maybe Churchill will be a kinder school and be willing to accept all the Wootton underperformers. Really, anyone will less than 3.0, really 3.5 should go. That will really boost scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is about a 30%-40% difference in math and reading proficiency scores between Fields road and the Wootton cluster elementary schools.

Why do you think this is? I will tell you why-parent engagement. Many of the lower performing elementary schools have parents that are working multiple jobs, The kids are left alone sometimes for extended periods. Academics takes a back seat. Not saying they have full control over this but this is the reality.

I love how some of you think these kids will magically become high performers when moved to Crown. I’m sure they already had great teachers who tried to push them to achieve. Unless you have a ton of internal motivation that simply doesn’t work.

So you are saying cohort doesn’t matter? In that case you shouldn’t worry about scores changing for any kids in either direction. So, no problem.

Their scores will affect the overall school rating, obviously.

Rating on what? Some made up site for strivers, like Niche?

The answer to your question is staring at you in the sentence that you quoted.

If test scores are so irrelevant for you, why bother sending kids to school to learn something.

Learning has nothing to do with test scores. What are your kids gpa, map, dat, etc scores?

[Anonymous]

Just feel the need to emphasize that the recent discourse on this thread reveals that many/most opponents aren't really concerned about the physical location of the school, but rather the boundary change that "forces" their children to be in a school with those they view as lesser.

None of this has to do with school building.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just feel the need to emphasize that the recent discourse on this thread reveals that many/most opponents aren't really concerned about the physical location of the school, but rather the boundary change that "forces" their children to be in a school with those they view as lesser.

None of this has to do with school building.

It's always been that. From the very first moments after Option H was announced, the first DCUM posts were about test scores and teen pregnancies(!).

Then folks pivoted to "walkers" and "process," but this has always been about race, class, and housing prices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just feel the need to emphasize that the recent discourse on this thread reveals that many/most opponents aren't really concerned about the physical location of the school, but rather the boundary change that "forces" their children to be in a school with those they view as lesser.

None of this has to do with school building.

It's always been that. From the very first moments after Option H was announced, the first DCUM posts were about test scores and teen pregnancies(!).

Then folks pivoted to "walkers" and "process," but this has always been about race, class, and housing prices.

It’s hasn’t, but feel free to keep believing that if it helps you feel superior to those families who have voiced their concerns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just feel the need to emphasize that the recent discourse on this thread reveals that many/most opponents aren't really concerned about the physical location of the school, but rather the boundary change that "forces" their children to be in a school with those they view as lesser.

None of this has to do with school building.

It's always been that. From the very first moments after Option H was announced, the first DCUM posts were about test scores and teen pregnancies(!).

Then folks pivoted to "walkers" and "process," but this has always been about race, class, and housing prices.

It’s hasn’t, but feel free to keep believing that if it helps you feel superior to those families who have voiced their concerns.

If you don’t want people to think that tell the people from Save Wootton who are consistently making classist comments to get themselves in check. It’s not the fault of others who see Save Wootton people making these comments coming to believe this is what the movement is about when their vitriol and classism is so out in the open.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just feel the need to emphasize that the recent discourse on this thread reveals that many/most opponents aren't really concerned about the physical location of the school, but rather the boundary change that "forces" their children to be in a school with those they view as lesser.

None of this has to do with school building.

It's always been that. From the very first moments after Option H was announced, the first DCUM posts were about test scores and teen pregnancies(!).

Then folks pivoted to "walkers" and "process," but this has always been about race, class, and housing prices.

It’s hasn’t, but feel free to keep believing that if it helps you feel superior to those families who have voiced their concerns.

They don't believe it, they are just trolling.

The whole property value angle to discredit Wootton families makes no sense and only speaks volumes about those who keep bringing it up.

If property values indeed drop, it will only be because the new school turns out to be considerably weaker than the current Wootton. But if that is the case, Wootton families have every reason to be upset from the academics point of view.

If this is just a minor change with commute inconvenience, as many argue, then property values will not drop.

So the only reason to bring property value argument into this discussion is by those who wish Wootton families to crush and burn so they can leapfrog them in their twisted net worth race they keep playing in their heads every day, and has nothing to do with school options and merits of the legal action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just feel the need to emphasize that the recent discourse on this thread reveals that many/most opponents aren't really concerned about the physical location of the school, but rather the boundary change that "forces" their children to be in a school with those they view as lesser.

None of this has to do with school building.

It's always been that. From the very first moments after Option H was announced, the first DCUM posts were about test scores and teen pregnancies(!).

Then folks pivoted to "walkers" and "process," but this has always been about race, class, and housing prices.

It’s hasn’t, but feel free to keep believing that if it helps you feel superior to those families who have voiced their concerns.

If you don’t want people to think that tell the people from Save Wootton who are consistently making classist comments to get themselves in check. It’s not the fault of others who see Save Wootton people making these comments coming to believe this is what the movement is about when their vitriol and classism is so out in the open.

It is true that the Save Wootton is exaggerating some points, such as commute. But the accusations of classism are also bogus. This movement is no different then any other movement during boundary changes - desire to be in academically better school. There is nothing wrong with it. All you who are virtue signaling because this doesn't affect you would be doing the same thing if you were to find yourself in their position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just feel the need to emphasize that the recent discourse on this thread reveals that many/most opponents aren't really concerned about the physical location of the school, but rather the boundary change that "forces" their children to be in a school with those they view as lesser.

None of this has to do with school building.

It's always been that. From the very first moments after Option H was announced, the first DCUM posts were about test scores and teen pregnancies(!).

Then folks pivoted to "walkers" and "process," but this has always been about race, class, and housing prices.

It’s hasn’t, but feel free to keep believing that if it helps you feel superior to those families who have voiced their concerns.

If you don’t want people to think that tell the people from Save Wootton who are consistently making classist comments to get themselves in check. It’s not the fault of others who see Save Wootton people making these comments coming to believe this is what the movement is about when their vitriol and classism is so out in the open.

It is true that the Save Wootton is exaggerating some points, such as commute. But the accusations of classism are also bogus. This movement is no different then any other movement during boundary changes - desire to be in academically better school. There is nothing wrong with it. All you who are virtue signaling because this doesn't affect you would be doing the same thing if you were to find yourself in their position.

Is Wootton the only one filing a lawsuit / challenge? Is there a "Save Northwest" or "Save Wheaton"? (honest question because I'm in my own little bubble here).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is about a 30%-40% difference in math and reading proficiency scores between Fields road and the Wootton cluster elementary schools.

Why do you think this is? I will tell you why-parent engagement. Many of the lower performing elementary schools have parents that are working multiple jobs, The kids are left alone sometimes for extended periods. Academics takes a back seat. Not saying they have full control over this but this is the reality.

I love how some of you think these kids will magically become high performers when moved to Crown. I’m sure they already had great teachers who tried to push them to achieve. Unless you have a ton of internal motivation that simply doesn’t work.

Exactly this. Why should families that worked hard for a home in the Wootton cluster have to send their kids to school with classmates who are less motivated, less engaged, and less successful?

Wherever you live in this county, they ship kids in from all over the place that bring down the group average. Just look at the gerrymandered maps. QO, BCC, etc. Crown will be the same. Just make sure your kids get into the honors classes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just feel the need to emphasize that the recent discourse on this thread reveals that many/most opponents aren't really concerned about the physical location of the school, but rather the boundary change that "forces" their children to be in a school with those they view as lesser.

None of this has to do with school building.

Correct but it’s only about a dozen people who are fighting the relocation.