New OPM memo on RTO

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I guess it will be good for dry cleaners.

I expect that dress codes will be much more casual in RTO

I heard a rumor from an admittedly unreliable source that there are plans to impose a business formal dress code in some agencies for some roles.

My office recently changed its dress code to allow jeans and sneakers if we don’t have external meetings.

I had a foot injury last year and had to get permission to wear sneakers. I’m very happy not to have to carry heals anymore and even better yet to not have to wear them most days!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess it will be good for dry cleaners.

I expect that dress codes will be much more casual in RTO

I heard a rumor from an admittedly unreliable source that there are plans to impose a business formal dress code in some agencies for some roles.

My office recently changed its dress code to allow jeans and sneakers if we don’t have external meetings.

I had a foot injury last year and had to get permission to wear sneakers. I’m very happy not to have to carry heals anymore and even better yet to not have to wear them most days!

You have a dress code that's in writing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone copy past the memo. I can’t reach the site

https://www.reddit.com/r/fednews/comments/1i7txrm/guidance_on_presidential_memorandum_return_to/#lightbox

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I expect full time means 40 hours. Unclear if that means 5 days.

No I’m sure we can still do 9 or 10 hour days. I’ve been a fed for 20 years and it’s always been an option.

So has telework but look where we are. The past doesn’t matter any longer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I expect full time means 40 hours. Unclear if that means 5 days.

No I’m sure we can still do 9 or 10 hour days. I’ve been a fed for 20 years and it’s always been an option.

My office just informed us they would not be allowing this option, bc apparently they are a**holes.

They’re revoking all flexible schedules?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:latest article on RTW from OPM
https://www.meritalk.com/articles/opm-directs-agencies-to-make-plans-to-end-telework-by-tomorrow/

I read this. Is the takeaway that teleworkers will continue as before. Is it that even the acting heads are misunderstanding the difference between telework and remote work? Or is it really that the guidance applies to both remote and teleworkers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This group is angrier than the divorced women in the relationship section of the site.

Ha! Very true. There is at least one female government attorney on here that is totally chapped. She’s the one who writes all the dismissive, angry one liners.

In general, female attorneys who work for DOJ and the financial regulators seem most upset. Wonder why that is?

Honestly? Because I spent the last five years in a very stressful job, with an unpredictable schedule, working 60+ hours a week. I recently took a "mommy track" role that involved telework two days a week and I was really hoping to being more present for my two little kids (who are in daycare full time, before you ask). I feel like I'm letting them down.

But how are you different from any other Mom? It sounds like you have a good gig, but it may be changing. DOJ doesn’t owe you the life of your dreams. You seem entitled.

So crazy that we found a small change which made a big difference in people's ability to have both a family and do their job well and your reaction to Rs taking it away just to inflict trauma on feds is "you seem entitled".

NP here. Most/all companies in nyc are return to office. This has become much more difficult for parents because of commute time.

I know a lot of fed moms who work 7-3. They log on, take kids to school, pick kids up from school, do the laundry. Of course it will be difficult if you return to the office. You won’t be able to take kids to school during the middle of your work day anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess it will be good for dry cleaners.

I expect that dress codes will be much more casual in RTO

I heard a rumor from an admittedly unreliable source that there are plans to impose a business formal dress code in some agencies for some roles.

My office recently changed its dress code to allow jeans and sneakers if we don’t have external meetings.

I had a foot injury last year and had to get permission to wear sneakers. I’m very happy not to have to carry heals anymore and even better yet to not have to wear them most days!

You have a dress code that's in writing?

Pp - yes, I’m a fed and at our agency it’s in writing (and part of our training)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I expect full time means 40 hours. Unclear if that means 5 days.

No I’m sure we can still do 9 or 10 hour days. I’ve been a fed for 20 years and it’s always been an option.

My office just informed us they would not be allowing this option, bc apparently they are a**holes.

Our office is allowing this.

[Anonymous]

Is this lady making stuff up? Where is she getting from? Memo isnt this specific yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess it will be good for dry cleaners.

I expect that dress codes will be much more casual in RTO

I heard a rumor from an admittedly unreliable source that there are plans to impose a business formal dress code in some agencies for some roles.

Wait until men start wearing kilts to the office.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:people are acting as if before Covid they were not going to the office five days a week and made it work.

Agree. When my kids were young, it was daycare, then before and after care once they were school aged. It annoys me all of these people that have been abusing telework to avoid paying for daycare or before/after care.

Yeah, this. Back in the day, I actually had to quit my FT job and find a part time job, since I did want to be with my kids at pick up. Have friends who hired help for the 3:30-6pm window, many others who did aftercare. This is what we've all been doing.

It is not "back in the day." There was a pandemic and new technology was accepted. Just because you walked a mile uphill in the snow doesn't mean we all should?! PS - I don't even like working at home, but this mindset is just dumb.

Amazon, Goldman Sachs, Citi, J.p. morgan, Morgan Stanley, Microsoft, and countless other companies and institutions have been back FT in person for years post pandemic. It’s not “back in the day” it’s actually “right now.” Your situation is not unique.

These are top tier companies that pay very well.

Plenty of other banks and tech firms are NOT in the office 5 days a week!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:people are acting as if before Covid they were not going to the office five days a week and made it work.

Agree. When my kids were young, it was daycare, then before and after care once they were school aged. It annoys me all of these people that have been abusing telework to avoid paying for daycare or before/after care.

Yeah, this. Back in the day, I actually had to quit my FT job and find a part time job, since I did want to be with my kids at pick up. Have friends who hired help for the 3:30-6pm window, many others who did aftercare. This is what we've all been doing.

It is not "back in the day." There was a pandemic and new technology was accepted. Just because you walked a mile uphill in the snow doesn't mean we all should?! PS - I don't even like working at home, but this mindset is just dumb.

Amazon, Goldman Sachs, Citi, J.p. morgan, Morgan Stanley, Microsoft, and countless other companies and institutions have been back FT in person for years post pandemic. It’s not “back in the day” it’s actually “right now.” Your situation is not unique.

These are top tier companies that pay very well.

Plenty of other banks and tech firms are NOT in the office 5 days a week!

Meta is 3 days per week with remote optional. Amazon has core hours—a “day” at the office is 4 hours. Much more flexibility than the OPM memo implies.

[Anonymous]

Sorry if this was discussed in the previous 50 pages. Has anyone received guidance from their agencies on the following?

1. What a “qualifying medical condition” is—for example, if you have covid but are still able to log on, take calls, etc. Is your agency requiring you take sick leave? (I know this administration doesn’t give a shit, but social norms have changed since the pandemic regarding showing up to work sick…) Has anyone asked? We’ve got a kid in daycare, if I can’t work while sick I’ll basically be working part time lmao.


2. if your agency already had core hours, how are they interpreting full time? Are you required to be in the office 8.5 hours per day, or are they allowing some telework to account for PST time zones, late filings, etc.?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess it will be good for dry cleaners.

I expect that dress codes will be much more casual in RTO

I heard a rumor from an admittedly unreliable source that there are plans to impose a business formal dress code in some agencies for some roles.

I’m an engineer. We’ve been wearing jeans and a sweatshirt to work since at least the 90s. Any dress code more strict than “appropriate body parts covered” would def cause a riot in my office 😂