New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)

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Anonymous wrote:MLS and US Soccer are pulling strings in the background.

Soon they're going to pressure NWSL into a homegrown player rule.

As soon as this happens GA will turn into a female version of MLSN with contracts and acadamies.

You do realize there are already NWSL contracts for teenagers?

Not the same thing. A homegrown contract and first team roster contract are completely different.

And the GA will be doing this? How?

Which league GA or ECNL has a Stratigic Partnership with MLSN?

MLS is a men’s league. Why would NWSL choose GA over ECNL. When they could work with both leagues and get the best kids from both leagues.

Why don't you understand that MLS and US Soccer are working together?

Haven't you noticed that MLS NWSL And GA all have seats at the table while ECNL is forced to work through US Club?

MLS and US Soccer want control of the youth pipelines. They already own the boys pipelines and are setting up to do the same thing with the girls.

ECNL is a department in US club soccer. There’s no “forcing”.

So what’s your master plan? Fully funded nwsl academies that play in the GA against awful teams at TSJ, VAR, and SYC? We have scores from TSJ/VAR games with local ecnl clubs. It’s ugly.

I have no plan. But, I would pay money to watch you freak out when a homegrown rule is announced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

This is the perfect example of being shortsighted. For starters, the more opportunity on the girl side, the better. There are so many capable kids left out and cut off forever at the formation of U13 ECNL teams because it is virtually impossible to manufacture the training environment with the RL or 2nd teams at those respective clubs. Not nearly as big of a problem on the boys side because there's so many more competitive teams.

ECNL has the stronghold that they have at the moment because they PAID for it. Those college coaches aren't there just for the heck of it. They could simply sit home and watch the Veo footage if they wanted to. When it comes specifically to this area (DMV) almost every top club was in the DA less than 10yrs ago. If this area decided to all go the way of GA, it'd change nothing in terms of college recruiting because it's the PLAYERS that make the league, not the other way around. Too many of you parents get caught up in the hype and perpetually feed the machine all while complaining about it. Everybody trains with everyone around here at the higher levels and we all go pay 4k so that they can go "officially" play against the same exact kids in a league game.

This will be fine and will be dictated by the strength of the individual conferences and ultimately the teams at any given age group. We've seen that play out this year with the likes of SYC and their record against the local ECNL clubs they've faced at their youngest full field age group. I think it's a recipe for future disappointment relying on a club/league affiliation to get your kid to the next level. If you have a HS age kid, yeah things are probably set for now. Younger than that, you don't know what the dynamics will look like 3-4yrs from now when it matters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

This is the perfect example of being shortsighted. For starters, the more opportunity on the girl side, the better. There are so many capable kids left out and cut off forever at the formation of U13 ECNL teams because it is virtually impossible to manufacture the training environment with the RL or 2nd teams at those respective clubs. Not nearly as big of a problem on the boys side because there's so many more competitive teams.

ECNL has the stronghold that they have at the moment because they PAID for it. Those college coaches aren't there just for the heck of it. They could simply sit home and watch the Veo footage if they wanted to. When it comes specifically to this area (DMV) almost every top club was in the DA less than 10yrs ago. If this area decided to all go the way of GA, it'd change nothing in terms of college recruiting because it's the PLAYERS that make the league, not the other way around. Too many of you parents get caught up in the hype and perpetually feed the machine all while complaining about it. Everybody trains with everyone around here at the higher levels and we all go pay 4k so that they can go "officially" play against the same exact kids in a league game.

This will be fine and will be dictated by the strength of the individual conferences and ultimately the teams at any given age group. We've seen that play out this year with the likes of SYC and their record against the local ECNL clubs they've faced at their youngest full field age group. I think it's a recipe for future disappointment relying on a club/league affiliation to get your kid to the next level. If you have a HS age kid, yeah things are probably set for now. Younger than that, you don't know what the dynamics will look like 3-4yrs from now when it matters.

(Not DMV) - My kid's pre-ECNL (U12, real league not just a gotsoccer title) club is 15 minutes from our house. I don't give a **** what league they're in, but they provide the best training around without a huge commute. I agree with most of your other points on the girls side.

[Anonymous]

Great falls trying to get ECNL.

I wonder if Kevin James and Brave/Union know NM is coming for their girls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

This is the perfect example of being shortsighted. For starters, the more opportunity on the girl side, the better. There are so many capable kids left out and cut off forever at the formation of U13 ECNL teams because it is virtually impossible to manufacture the training environment with the RL or 2nd teams at those respective clubs. Not nearly as big of a problem on the boys side because there's so many more competitive teams.

ECNL has the stronghold that they have at the moment because they PAID for it. Those college coaches aren't there just for the heck of it. They could simply sit home and watch the Veo footage if they wanted to. When it comes specifically to this area (DMV) almost every top club was in the DA less than 10yrs ago. If this area decided to all go the way of GA, it'd change nothing in terms of college recruiting because it's the PLAYERS that make the league, not the other way around. Too many of you parents get caught up in the hype and perpetually feed the machine all while complaining about it. Everybody trains with everyone around here at the higher levels and we all go pay 4k so that they can go "officially" play against the same exact kids in a league game.

This will be fine and will be dictated by the strength of the individual conferences and ultimately the teams at any given age group. We've seen that play out this year with the likes of SYC and their record against the local ECNL clubs they've faced at their youngest full field age group. I think it's a recipe for future disappointment relying on a club/league affiliation to get your kid to the next level. If you have a HS age kid, yeah things are probably set for now. Younger than that, you don't know what the dynamics will look like 3-4yrs from now when it matters.

(Not DMV) - My kid's pre-ECNL (U12, real league not just a gotsoccer title) club is 15 minutes from our house. I don't give a **** what league they're in, but they provide the best training around without a huge commute. I agree with most of your other points on the girls side.

What is it that you like about their training? What makes them good? Honest question, just curious how people are evaluating and what characteristics you see that has you feeling good about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MLS and US Soccer are pulling strings in the background.

Soon they're going to pressure NWSL into a homegrown player rule.

As soon as this happens GA will turn into a female version of MLSN with contracts and acadamies.

You do realize there are already NWSL contracts for teenagers?

Not the same thing. A homegrown contract and first team roster contract are completely different.

And the GA will be doing this? How?

Which league GA or ECNL has a Stratigic Partnership with MLSN?

MLS is a men’s league. Why would NWSL choose GA over ECNL. When they could work with both leagues and get the best kids from both leagues.

Why don't you understand that MLS and US Soccer are working together?

Haven't you noticed that MLS NWSL And GA all have seats at the table while ECNL is forced to work through US Club?

MLS and US Soccer want control of the youth pipelines. They already own the boys pipelines and are setting up to do the same thing with the girls.

ECNL is a department in US club soccer. There’s no “forcing”.

So what’s your master plan? Fully funded nwsl academies that play in the GA against awful teams at TSJ, VAR, and SYC? We have scores from TSJ/VAR games with local ecnl clubs. It’s ugly.

I have no plan. But, I would pay money to watch you freak out when a homegrown rule is announced.

There eventually will be a homegrown rule. You obviously don’t know what that really means. It isn’t for leagues. It’s based on the region. Every player within the region is impacted by the homegrown rule. The homegrown rule doesn’t say you have to play in a certain league to sign with the club. Do you try to be this dumb or does it come naturally?

[Anonymous]

Let’s see what big plans ECNL has. Think big GA clubs on the move?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS and US Soccer are pulling strings in the background.

Soon they're going to pressure NWSL into a homegrown player rule.

As soon as this happens GA will turn into a female version of MLSN with contracts and acadamies.

You do realize there are already NWSL contracts for teenagers?

Not the same thing. A homegrown contract and first team roster contract are completely different.

And the GA will be doing this? How?

Which league GA or ECNL has a Stratigic Partnership with MLSN?

MLS is a men’s league. Why would NWSL choose GA over ECNL. When they could work with both leagues and get the best kids from both leagues.

Why don't you understand that MLS and US Soccer are working together?

Haven't you noticed that MLS NWSL And GA all have seats at the table while ECNL is forced to work through US Club?

MLS and US Soccer want control of the youth pipelines. They already own the boys pipelines and are setting up to do the same thing with the girls.

ECNL is a department in US club soccer. There’s no “forcing”.

So what’s your master plan? Fully funded nwsl academies that play in the GA against awful teams at TSJ, VAR, and SYC? We have scores from TSJ/VAR games with local ecnl clubs. It’s ugly.

I have no plan. But, I would pay money to watch you freak out when a homegrown rule is announced.

There eventually will be a homegrown rule. You obviously don’t know what that really means. It isn’t for leagues. It’s based on the region. Every player within the region is impacted by the homegrown rule. The homegrown rule doesn’t say you have to play in a certain league to sign with the club. Do you try to be this dumb or does it come naturally?

You keep embarrassing yourself.

I could respond and educate you but it's not worth my time.

Do your own research.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLS and US Soccer are pulling strings in the background.

Soon they're going to pressure NWSL into a homegrown player rule.

As soon as this happens GA will turn into a female version of MLSN with contracts and acadamies.

You do realize there are already NWSL contracts for teenagers?

Not the same thing. A homegrown contract and first team roster contract are completely different.

And the GA will be doing this? How?

Which league GA or ECNL has a Stratigic Partnership with MLSN?

MLS is a men’s league. Why would NWSL choose GA over ECNL. When they could work with both leagues and get the best kids from both leagues.

Why don't you understand that MLS and US Soccer are working together?

Haven't you noticed that MLS NWSL And GA all have seats at the table while ECNL is forced to work through US Club?

MLS and US Soccer want control of the youth pipelines. They already own the boys pipelines and are setting up to do the same thing with the girls.

ECNL is a department in US club soccer. There’s no “forcing”.

So what’s your master plan? Fully funded nwsl academies that play in the GA against awful teams at TSJ, VAR, and SYC? We have scores from TSJ/VAR games with local ecnl clubs. It’s ugly.

I have no plan. But, I would pay money to watch you freak out when a homegrown rule is announced.

There eventually will be a homegrown rule. You obviously don’t know what that really means. It isn’t for leagues. It’s based on the region. Every player within the region is impacted by the homegrown rule. The homegrown rule doesn’t say you have to play in a certain league to sign with the club. Do you try to be this dumb or does it come naturally?

You keep embarrassing yourself.

I could respond and educate you but it's not worth my time.

Do your own research.

Please educate me. You’ll need to use facts though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

This is the perfect example of being shortsighted. For starters, the more opportunity on the girl side, the better. There are so many capable kids left out and cut off forever at the formation of U13 ECNL teams because it is virtually impossible to manufacture the training environment with the RL or 2nd teams at those respective clubs. Not nearly as big of a problem on the boys side because there's so many more competitive teams.

ECNL has the stronghold that they have at the moment because they PAID for it. Those college coaches aren't there just for the heck of it. They could simply sit home and watch the Veo footage if they wanted to. When it comes specifically to this area (DMV) almost every top club was in the DA less than 10yrs ago. If this area decided to all go the way of GA, it'd change nothing in terms of college recruiting because it's the PLAYERS that make the league, not the other way around. Too many of you parents get caught up in the hype and perpetually feed the machine all while complaining about it. Everybody trains with everyone around here at the higher levels and we all go pay 4k so that they can go "officially" play against the same exact kids in a league game.

This will be fine and will be dictated by the strength of the individual conferences and ultimately the teams at any given age group. We've seen that play out this year with the likes of SYC and their record against the local ECNL clubs they've faced at their youngest full field age group. I think it's a recipe for future disappointment relying on a club/league affiliation to get your kid to the next level. If you have a HS age kid, yeah things are probably set for now. Younger than that, you don't know what the dynamics will look like 3-4yrs from now when it matters.

(Not DMV) - My kid's pre-ECNL (U12, real league not just a gotsoccer title) club is 15 minutes from our house. I don't give a **** what league they're in, but they provide the best training around without a huge commute. I agree with most of your other points on the girls side.

What is it that you like about their training? What makes them good? Honest question, just curious how people are evaluating and what characteristics you see that has you feeling good about it.

Just curious too. We are in Pre-GA and the team is good, only because a ton of good kids flocked there from other clubs, not necessarily from how the club develops the kids. But, it sounds like you found a good spot for you kid!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

This is the perfect example of being shortsighted. For starters, the more opportunity on the girl side, the better. There are so many capable kids left out and cut off forever at the formation of U13 ECNL teams because it is virtually impossible to manufacture the training environment with the RL or 2nd teams at those respective clubs. Not nearly as big of a problem on the boys side because there's so many more competitive teams.

ECNL has the stronghold that they have at the moment because they PAID for it. Those college coaches aren't there just for the heck of it. They could simply sit home and watch the Veo footage if they wanted to. When it comes specifically to this area (DMV) almost every top club was in the DA less than 10yrs ago. If this area decided to all go the way of GA, it'd change nothing in terms of college recruiting because it's the PLAYERS that make the league, not the other way around. Too many of you parents get caught up in the hype and perpetually feed the machine all while complaining about it. Everybody trains with everyone around here at the higher levels and we all go pay 4k so that they can go "officially" play against the same exact kids in a league game.

This will be fine and will be dictated by the strength of the individual conferences and ultimately the teams at any given age group. We've seen that play out this year with the likes of SYC and their record against the local ECNL clubs they've faced at their youngest full field age group. I think it's a recipe for future disappointment relying on a club/league affiliation to get your kid to the next level. If you have a HS age kid, yeah things are probably set for now. Younger than that, you don't know what the dynamics will look like 3-4yrs from now when it matters.

(Not DMV) - My kid's pre-ECNL (U12, real league not just a gotsoccer title) club is 15 minutes from our house. I don't give a **** what league they're in, but they provide the best training around without a huge commute. I agree with most of your other points on the girls side.

What is it that you like about their training? What makes them good? Honest question, just curious how people are evaluating and what characteristics you see that has you feeling good about it.

Everything is extremely organized. Kids show up before the 15 minutes "early" and do all of the activation exercises. Every practice has a plan and our coach sends out weekly updates ahead of time to let us know about the focus. Individual technical expectations are communicated along with helpful videos to practice at home. His in game coaching strikes the right balance of teaching without too much joysticking.

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Announcement in 2 days.....who gets GA who is going GA and who leaves GA

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Anonymous wrote:Announcement in 2 days.....who gets GA who is going GA and who leaves GA

Curios to see who leaves GA. Lou Fusz is the rumor

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Anonymous wrote:Announcement in 2 days.....who gets GA who is going GA and who leaves GA

Curios to see who leaves GA. Lou Fusz is the rumor

They are mls next, they won’t be leaving.

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Anonymous wrote:I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

This is the perfect example of being shortsighted. For starters, the more opportunity on the girl side, the better. There are so many capable kids left out and cut off forever at the formation of U13 ECNL teams because it is virtually impossible to manufacture the training environment with the RL or 2nd teams at those respective clubs. Not nearly as big of a problem on the boys side because there's so many more competitive teams.

ECNL has the stronghold that they have at the moment because they PAID for it. Those college coaches aren't there just for the heck of it. They could simply sit home and watch the Veo footage if they wanted to. When it comes specifically to this area (DMV) almost every top club was in the DA less than 10yrs ago. If this area decided to all go the way of GA, it'd change nothing in terms of college recruiting because it's the PLAYERS that make the league, not the other way around. Too many of you parents get caught up in the hype and perpetually feed the machine all while complaining about it. Everybody trains with everyone around here at the higher levels and we all go pay 4k so that they can go "officially" play against the same exact kids in a league game.

This will be fine and will be dictated by the strength of the individual conferences and ultimately the teams at any given age group. We've seen that play out this year with the likes of SYC and their record against the local ECNL clubs they've faced at their youngest full field age group. I think it's a recipe for future disappointment relying on a club/league affiliation to get your kid to the next level. If you have a HS age kid, yeah things are probably set for now. Younger than that, you don't know what the dynamics will look like 3-4yrs from now when it matters.

(Not DMV) - My kid's pre-ECNL (U12, real league not just a gotsoccer title) club is 15 minutes from our house. I don't give a **** what league they're in, but they provide the best training around without a huge commute. I agree with most of your other points on the girls side.

What is it that you like about their training? What makes them good? Honest question, just curious how people are evaluating and what characteristics you see that has you feeling good about it.

Everything is extremely organized. Kids show up before the 15 minutes "early" and do all of the activation exercises. Every practice has a plan and our coach sends out weekly updates ahead of time to let us know about the focus. Individual technical expectations are communicated along with helpful videos to practice at home. His in game coaching strikes the right balance of teaching without too much joysticking.

Thanks! We defiantly do not get weekly e-mails from coach or there is no exact focus for the week. (I am a licensed Coach, I have an idea of what is going on at practices too.) I like the video homework assignments too with a purpose. We might get a video homework request, but its just some random ball work and there is no feedback or checks if kids did it.

Best we get is some decent drills, small sided and large sided scrimmages. But no expectation or attempt to implement anything learned from the drills into practice or at the games.