Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment

[Anonymous]

The development lobby and their “activists” allies of convenience even hedge on the affordable housing aspect of the project, using phrases like “could have,” “depending on the RFP” or based on the “creativity” of bids submitted. It should be pretty clear by now that this is smoke and mirrors puffery to prompt giving a very favourable lease to a PRIVATE developer to build more of the same mostly upscale, market rate units — but on a lucrative, well-located PUBLIC site.

[Anonymous]

Wow no immediate decrying of pp’s as old, demented, racist MAGAs. Developer shills must be off on Sundays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow no immediate decrying of pp’s as old, demented, racist MAGAs. Developer shills must be off on Sundays.

Don't worry, they'll be here soon enough spewing NIMBYisms and reframing every answer into a question. And then they'll thrown in a few ageist remarks for good measure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow no immediate decrying of pp’s as old, demented, racist MAGAs. Developer shills must be off on Sundays.

It’s not exactly credible to call your “ops” MAGAs when the most prolific smart growth shill in the area has strong MAGA-world ties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow no immediate decrying of pp’s as old, demented, racist MAGAs. Developer shills must be off on Sundays.

Makes me chuckle that nobody engages, so you set up a strawmen of people that disagree hypothetically responding with insults.....while insulting those hypothetical people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC is a dumpster fire right now. Everything the city touches turns to ash. Why would anyone trust its judgment to take on a project that would impact the neighborhood enormously?

I don't understand this comment. I would agree with you if DC was planning to build the development themselves, but it is fairly common to get RFPs from private developers to construct this type of project.

if you are claiming that any public/private development the city has built in the last 40 years is a dumpster fire...well, that seems quite extreme.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC is a dumpster fire right now. Everything the city touches turns to ash. Why would anyone trust its judgment to take on a project that would impact the neighborhood enormously?

Exactly. How many times have we heard activists saying "This won't cause any problems at all and anyone who thinks it will is racist"? Decriminalize fare evasion, reduce the police force, the voucher program, the homeless shelters, etc. And now activists are saying we need to ignore all of the bad policies that they were pushing before because this time it's different? They don't even pause to reconsider the messes they've made, it's just immediately on to the next thing.

Five years from now they'll be saying "why are you bringing up the huge failure of the Chevy Chase Community Center development? This new project we're pushing is completely different."

Bullshit. 5 years from now you'll be getting your latte and chocolate crossiant from some trendy shop in what used to be the old community center site and saying to your friend 'can't believe *people* opossed this redevelopment years ago', ignoring that you were one of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC is a dumpster fire right now. Everything the city touches turns to ash. Why would anyone trust its judgment to take on a project that would impact the neighborhood enormously?

Exactly. How many times have we heard activists saying "This won't cause any problems at all and anyone who thinks it will is racist"? Decriminalize fare evasion, reduce the police force, the voucher program, the homeless shelters, etc. And now activists are saying we need to ignore all of the bad policies that they were pushing before because this time it's different? They don't even pause to reconsider the messes they've made, it's just immediately on to the next thing.

Five years from now they'll be saying "why are you bringing up the huge failure of the Chevy Chase Community Center development? This new project we're pushing is completely different."

Bullshit. 5 years from now you'll be getting your latte and chocolate crossiant from some trendy shop in what used to be the old community center site and saying to your friend 'can't believe *people* opossed this redevelopment years ago', ignoring that you were one of them.

There's already a quite nice place across the street to get a latte and a chocolate croissant. Do you really know the community, or is this yet another site for generic dense mixed-used sameness?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC is a dumpster fire right now. Everything the city touches turns to ash. Why would anyone trust its judgment to take on a project that would impact the neighborhood enormously?

Exactly. How many times have we heard activists saying "This won't cause any problems at all and anyone who thinks it will is racist"? Decriminalize fare evasion, reduce the police force, the voucher program, the homeless shelters, etc. And now activists are saying we need to ignore all of the bad policies that they were pushing before because this time it's different? They don't even pause to reconsider the messes they've made, it's just immediately on to the next thing.

Five years from now they'll be saying "why are you bringing up the huge failure of the Chevy Chase Community Center development? This new project we're pushing is completely different."

Bullshit. 5 years from now you'll be getting your latte and chocolate crossiant from some trendy shop in what used to be the old community center site and saying to your friend 'can't believe *people* opossed this redevelopment years ago', ignoring that you were one of them.

There's already a quite nice place across the street to get a latte and a chocolate croissant. Do you really know the community, or is this yet another site for generic dense mixed-used sameness?

I am aware Bread & Chocolate exists. And the Starbucks down the street. But you're trying to tell me that if a Tatte opened in there, you'd not opt for that vs. Bread & Chocolate? I mean, we've all been to B&C. And it isn't Tatte or Je ne sais quois quality, by a stretch.

[Anonymous]

Why aren't they building a school there? Local schools bursting at the seams, yet they are going to build more housing and no new school? Makes no sense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why aren't they building a school there? Local schools bursting at the seams, yet they are going to build more housing and no new school? Makes no sense

The school wouldn’t provide the same “high opportunity area” for connected real estate developers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC is a dumpster fire right now. Everything the city touches turns to ash. Why would anyone trust its judgment to take on a project that would impact the neighborhood enormously?

Exactly. How many times have we heard activists saying "This won't cause any problems at all and anyone who thinks it will is racist"? Decriminalize fare evasion, reduce the police force, the voucher program, the homeless shelters, etc. And now activists are saying we need to ignore all of the bad policies that they were pushing before because this time it's different? They don't even pause to reconsider the messes they've made, it's just immediately on to the next thing.

Five years from now they'll be saying "why are you bringing up the huge failure of the Chevy Chase Community Center development? This new project we're pushing is completely different."

Bullshit. 5 years from now you'll be getting your latte and chocolate crossiant from some trendy shop in what used to be the old community center site and saying to your friend 'can't believe *people* opossed this redevelopment years ago', ignoring that you were one of them.

There's already a quite nice place across the street to get a latte and a chocolate croissant. Do you really know the community, or is this yet another site for generic dense mixed-used sameness?

I am aware Bread & Chocolate exists. And the Starbucks down the street. But you're trying to tell me that if a Tatte opened in there, you'd not opt for that vs. Bread & Chocolate? I mean, we've all been to B&C. And it isn't Tatte or Je ne sais quois quality, by a stretch.

If you think that a high end bakery chain like Tatte is going to sign a lease in a building with 30 percent deeply affordable housing, you’re smoking something. Either “civic core” deal promoters are exaggerating about affordable housing or exaggerating about high end retail, but both are unlikely to be true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is a dumpster fire right now. Everything the city touches turns to ash. Why would anyone trust its judgment to take on a project that would impact the neighborhood enormously?

Exactly. How many times have we heard activists saying "This won't cause any problems at all and anyone who thinks it will is racist"? Decriminalize fare evasion, reduce the police force, the voucher program, the homeless shelters, etc. And now activists are saying we need to ignore all of the bad policies that they were pushing before because this time it's different? They don't even pause to reconsider the messes they've made, it's just immediately on to the next thing.

Five years from now they'll be saying "why are you bringing up the huge failure of the Chevy Chase Community Center development? This new project we're pushing is completely different."

Bullshit. 5 years from now you'll be getting your latte and chocolate crossiant from some trendy shop in what used to be the old community center site and saying to your friend 'can't believe *people* opossed this redevelopment years ago', ignoring that you were one of them.

There's already a quite nice place across the street to get a latte and a chocolate croissant. Do you really know the community, or is this yet another site for generic dense mixed-used sameness?

I am aware Bread & Chocolate exists. And the Starbucks down the street. But you're trying to tell me that if a Tatte opened in there, you'd not opt for that vs. Bread & Chocolate? I mean, we've all been to B&C. And it isn't Tatte or Je ne sais quois quality, by a stretch.

If you think that a high end bakery chain like Tatte is going to sign a lease in a building with 30 percent deeply affordable housing, you’re smoking something. Either “civic core” deal promoters are exaggerating about affordable housing or exaggerating about high end retail, but both are unlikely to be true.

I doubt Tatte would care less about this particular building but rather the lease economics, the size of the space and the demographics of the area.

Tatte locations are much bigger than anything available in CC. If the cafe size in this building is 2X the size of bread and chocolate, they might consider it. However, the new Friendship Heights development seems more realistic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is a dumpster fire right now. Everything the city touches turns to ash. Why would anyone trust its judgment to take on a project that would impact the neighborhood enormously?

Exactly. How many times have we heard activists saying "This won't cause any problems at all and anyone who thinks it will is racist"? Decriminalize fare evasion, reduce the police force, the voucher program, the homeless shelters, etc. And now activists are saying we need to ignore all of the bad policies that they were pushing before because this time it's different? They don't even pause to reconsider the messes they've made, it's just immediately on to the next thing.

Five years from now they'll be saying "why are you bringing up the huge failure of the Chevy Chase Community Center development? This new project we're pushing is completely different."

Bullshit. 5 years from now you'll be getting your latte and chocolate crossiant from some trendy shop in what used to be the old community center site and saying to your friend 'can't believe *people* opossed this redevelopment years ago', ignoring that you were one of them.

There's already a quite nice place across the street to get a latte and a chocolate croissant. Do you really know the community, or is this yet another site for generic dense mixed-used sameness?

I am aware Bread & Chocolate exists. And the Starbucks down the street. But you're trying to tell me that if a Tatte opened in there, you'd not opt for that vs. Bread & Chocolate? I mean, we've all been to B&C. And it isn't Tatte or Je ne sais quois quality, by a stretch.

If you think that a high end bakery chain like Tatte is going to sign a lease in a building with 30 percent deeply affordable housing, you’re smoking something. Either “civic core” deal promoters are exaggerating about affordable housing or exaggerating about high end retail, but both are unlikely to be true.

I doubt Tatte would care less about this particular building but rather the lease economics, the size of the space and the demographics of the area.

Tatte locations are much bigger than anything available in CC. If the cafe size in this building is 2X the size of bread and chocolate, they might consider it. However, the new Friendship Heights development seems more realistic.

Fair enough, they do have a big kitchen attached to the one near Mclean Gardens

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why aren't they building a school there? Local schools bursting at the seams, yet they are going to build more housing and no new school? Makes no sense

There is a school two blocks away. Not the right place for another school.